Actress Lindsay Lohan is BUSTED!! For violate probation

saywhatkid said:
Just by reading this, I presume you to be the expert here. I have no idea who her family member names are, or if her last name is real. Seems you have undertaken the research for the board. :ty:
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I am by no means an expert on the Lohan family, but I presume you were just being silly. I know what everyone else knows through TMZ etc.
 
CSign said:
Actually, I do think it was vicious. I retract that statement. But- my point is that I don't think he saw any other choice.
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Try not to be Ms. Contradiction.

It should not be said. PERIOD. If there was no other choice, don't even take the shittiest one. The shittiest choice is the most damaging one and it's just pushing dagger deeper into her.

I don't really care about Lindsay Lohan but I'm just concerned by these cyclic nature of typical behaviors toward to people in similar to situation as Lohan. Judgmental attitude based on stereotype kills.

"oh - I see bad teeth. must be from smoking crack or meth."
 
CSign said:
I am by no means an expert on the Lohan family, but I presume you were just being silly. I know what everyone else knows through TMZ etc.
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but you didn't know what father said about her in public.
 
Jiro said:
but many do since it's been publicized many times for years.
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Come on, Jiro. Do you really think the media reports every single fact? They don't. The media is all about sensationalism. They report facts to sell papers or promote viewership. That does not mean that all the facts are put out there for public consumption.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Come on, Jiro. Do you really think the media reports every single fact? They don't. The media is all about sensationalism. They report facts to sell papers or promote viewership. That does not mean that all the facts are put out there for public consumption.
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so which facts are wrong? which part am I wrong?
 
Jiro said:
yes - it's same ole' news that many child stars end up as a fuck-up but look at Nicole Richie, Hillary Duff, etc.... they're all fine. Paris Hilton turned out fine too despite of her humiliating incident with leaked sex tape. So why did most of Lindsay Lohan's friends turned out just fine and not her even though they partied together, snorted some coke and boozed together in the past?

From what I gathered from years of tiresome news headlines.... her downfall began when her parents divorced and had a bitter court fight over her finance. and also her father was very violent and has a serious anger control. In fact, he's an ex-con with alcoholic & cocaine problem who just got out of federal prison for his Wall Street crime. I guess apple doesn't fall far from tree, eh?

and of course - she's an adult and she's the one who made a choice in her life but I wouldn't go out like a mob on witch hunt on her. Every case is different and source of the problem must be found to begin healing. In Lindsay Lohan's case.... her father is the source of her problem.
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I agree with everything except for your last point about the problem solely being her father's. Honestly, if you want to know what I think? Genetics plays apart in this as well as the environment she grew up in. You just said her father was an addict. So is Lindsay and there are studies that suggest that addiction and mental illness is biologically based and hereditary. Therefore, I can't blame her father for this completely. Momma also played apart in this. Her genetics predisposing her to addiction also plays a role. In the end, though, we have a girl who is slowly self destructing, and I think the one thing we all can agree on is that it's very sad.
 
Jiro said:
so which facts are wrong? which part am I wrong?
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The facts that we don't know. What I am saying is we only know part of the story; not the entire story. The media only reports the facts that are sensational. That's my point.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I agree with everything except for your last point about the problem solely being her father's. Honestly, if you want to know what I think? Genetics plays apart in this as well as the environment she grew up in. You just said her father was an addict. So is Lindsay and there are studies that suggest that addiction and mental illness is biologically based and hereditary. Therefore, I can't blame her father for this completely. Momma also played apart in this. Her genetics predisposing her to addiction also plays a role. In the end, though, we have a girl who is slowly self destructing, and I think the one thing we all can agree on is that it's very sad.
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Yes. It is a known fact that genetics does play a factor in how a person cope with a problem. It is also a known fact that a child imitates his/her parent's behavior in coping with a situation. If a parent was an alcoholic/addict... then a child is predisposed to same fate. It's sad yes. If a parent was violent... then a child is predisposed to same fate as well.

so here's a thing. everything has a trigger. what triggered her self-destructive behavior? what's prolonging her down spiral? why isn't she showing any sign of improvement despite of treatment centers, jail, shrinks, and medications?
 
CSign said:
Apparently my comment wasn't clear.

I am in no way condoning or supporting Michael Lohan's statement. My point was that it seems he was desperate and probably felt that was his only option to get his daughter the help she needs.

As others have said, she can't be helped unless she wants it- and it seems she doesn't want help.

I don't doubt that her father played a part in her destructive ways. With that said, their is something called personal accountability and free will.

It would be quite presumptuous of us to say we "know the whole story", when there are always facts and dynamics that are left out of what's leaked to the media.

I think he loves his daughter, he just clearly has poor judgement.
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In this case, he's being hypocritical. He probably played apart in her self destruction. So, did her Mother. So did other people and as I just suggested to Jiro, genetic predisposition to addiction also is a factor here probably. But, it's very hypocritical to be apart of the problem, and then, all of a sudden go "OH, CRAP!!!!" It LOOKS to me like someone is still worried about everything else except LINDSAY herself. If he truly was concerned for her or her Mother was, they wouldn't be making statements to the media about her appearance, they'd be on the phone to addiction specialists to try and get this girl into treatment; against her will if necessary. I don't see that. I see her with her lawyer in front of a judge. Where are her parents? Daddy is making statements. Where is the Mother? Someone needs to step up and HELP this girl before she self destructs completely. I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time swallowing whether or not her parents truly love HER or do they love the MONEY more?

Some people ARE that callous.
 
Jiro said:
Yes. It is a known fact that genetics does play a factor in how a person cope with a problem. It is also a known fact that a child imitates his/her parent's behavior in coping with a situation. If a parent was an alcoholic/addict... then a child is predisposed to same fate. It's sad yes. If a parent was violent... then a child is predisposed to same fate as well.

so here's a thing. everything has a trigger. what triggered her self-destructive behavior? what's prolonging her down spiral? why isn't she showing any sign of improvement despite of treatment centers, jail, shrinks, and medications?
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What triggered it? Probably years and years of being doted on when she was making it big. Simply put, she's a spoiled brat, probably. As for what is prolonging it and not showing signs of improvement? She simply loves the drugs more than she loves herself or anyone else.
 
People can try to help her but she has to help herself first. She has to want help. Indeed she "may be crying out" for help. So far I have not seen do her part on wanting the help. Since help has been tossed her way on many occasions. She opts out on all of them.

I am having a hard time feeling sorry for her.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
The facts that we don't know. What I am saying is we only know part of the story; not the entire story. The media only reports the facts that are sensational. That's my point.
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do you know how I know? do you really think the basis of my argument depends on he-said-she-said or "from source close to family" like People magazine? comical.

Ever thought about "exclusive interview"? That's a juicy info straight out from the main source. She mentioned about it. Sure maybe that exclusive interview could be part of their clever ploy for public stunt or whatever but I think that's just far-fetched.

Every celebrity who successfully recovered from their dark period typically confessed about his/her deeply-buried truth in exclusive interview. Robert Downey for starter. and the latest one - Darrell Hammond. that poor bastard...
 
I hate it when each actor or actress of my favorites turned in a 'horrible figure'... :(

Hope she gets better in near future...
 
CSign said:
I know what everyone else knows through TMZ etc.
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TMZ? If you watch that, you probably know what her bra size is, along with many other "facts" that are of no interest to me.
 
Jiro said:
do you know how I know? do you really think the basis of my argument depends on he-said-she-said or "from source close to family" like People magazine? comical.

Ever thought about "exclusive interview"? That's a juicy info straight out from the main source. She mentioned about it. Sure maybe that exclusive interview could be part of their clever ploy for public stunt or whatever but I think that's just far-fetched.

Every celebrity who successfully recovered from their dark period typically confessed about his/her deeply-buried truth in exclusive interview. Robert Downey for starter. and the latest one - Darrell Hammond. that poor bastard...
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Even that can be suspect. Actors and actresses are PAID for that exclusive interview. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. In fact, I believe you're right. They do open up and are more candid, but they also are paid by someone to do those interviews.

Just sayin'.
 
Babyblue said:
People can try to help her but she has to help herself first. She has to want help. Indeed she "may be crying out" for help. So far I have not seen do her part on wanting the help. Since help has been tossed her way on many occasions. She opts out on all of them.

I am having a hard time feeling sorry for her.
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I feel empathy for her, but I see your point completely. It's really hard living with someone with an addiction. Really tough, and, sometimes you just have to wash your hands of that person and walk away. Whether or not her parents have done that, I don't know. I AM pretty sure they've not done enough to help her, though. That's what I find sad about this. Lindsay is her own hot mess. We can agree on that, but there hasn't been enough people around her to really help her. As has been pointed out, her Dad has been hypocritical at best. Mom is non-existent as far as I know. As for her managers, she's their cash cow, so I don't know if they're really going to look out for her best interest. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if one of them is supplying her with the crap she's taking!
 
Jiro said:
Yes. It is a known fact that genetics does play a factor in how a person cope with a problem. It is also a known fact that a child imitates his/her parent's behavior in coping with a situation. If a parent was an alcoholic/addict... then a child is predisposed to same fate. It's sad yes. If a parent was violent... then a child is predisposed to same fate as well.

so here's a thing. everything has a trigger. what triggered her self-destructive behavior? what's prolonging her down spiral? why isn't she showing any sign of improvement despite of treatment centers, jail, shrinks, and medications?
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Hold on here.....some parents are not alkies/dope heads....and are not violent/no jail/prison record....and their kid(s) get involved into drugs/jail/prison....and ur saying it's probably the parents fault?...

As for LOhan's down spiral, self-destructive behavior...it's on her!...She's had the sympathy, the treatment centers, shrinks, meds...you name it....she still thumbs her nose...(being 40 minutes late for community service, said she "got lost") at a morgue....

Nah!...she's a leech....for publicity and attention....She's old enuf to know better. It's just that she doesn't give a damn, either way!
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I feel empathy for her, but I see your point completely. It's really hard living with someone with an addiction. Really tough, and, sometimes you just have to wash your hands of that person and walk away. Whether or not her parents have done that, I don't know. I AM pretty sure they've not done enough to help her, though. That's what I find sad about this. Lindsay is her own hot mess. We can agree on that, but there hasn't been enough people around her to really help her. As has been pointed out, her Dad has been hypocritical at best. Mom is non-existent as far as I know. As for her managers, she's their cash cow, so I don't know if they're really going to look out for her best interest. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if one of them is supplying her with the crap she's taking!
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So you are saying she is trapped?? With all the help offered to her by others?? She does not need her parents helping her, if you think they are shoving the crap down her throat.

She has all kinds of people reaching out to her to help her and her nose still goes up in the air. She just do not want to face the consequences of her actions. Snubbing her nose at the justice system and the system that is trying to help her. No, I still do not feel sorry for her. The justice system have been way too leniant, they need to buckle down and order this chick into an inpatient rehab with caring people, and counselors.
 
I personally think the media plays a huge role in all of this, with Lindsay and all the others who have had these issues. Yes, she has had all kinds of treatment and such, but if the media didn't suck up all the info and report every single last transgression and crap like that, they maybe, she might have been able to handle it a little better.

I have seen literally hundreds if not a few thousand people get through drug and alcohol treatment, including meth and crack and all that jazz and come out, with the support of new friends and their supportive families and make a better life for themselves and not have any relapses. It take a willingness on the individual's part as well as a good treatment program and plenty of support.

I am not excusing what she's gone through, I just tend to see things from a slightly different perspective. Comes with having worked where I did for 5-6 years. I feel Lindsay does not have a good support system. I don't follow all this, but if she did, her family would not be mouthing off to the media about their child's struggles. She doesn't seem to have the right kinds of friends to help her keep out of trouble. Yes, she needs to also be wise about her decisions, but when she's fresh out of treatment, her judgement is a little mixed up. It's then that she needs good friends who want the best for her and if she were to say, "Hey, let's go party!' they could say, "Well, not sure it's a good idea, but how about we do this instead?". Something like that. She needs to have friends and family who are willing to go that extra step and be a support and re-teach her how to be in public. The media is hounding her every step just waiting for a screw-up and she's nervous enough having all the eyes on her, she can't help but screw up as it's all she knows.

Just my opinion. :hmm:
 
I see a lot of animosity directed at her. I think it is because a lot of people are a bit jealous that she has had so much given to her, only to throw it away. If you peel back all of the layers, you will see a woman that has a goofed up childhood, a trouble-filled family, an array of drug and behavioral issues, and a series of counselors and doctors that might not have been looking out for her best interests. I find it all a bit sad. I can only hope she recovers, and shares her experiences with the world.
 
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