Actress Lindsay Lohan is BUSTED!! For violate probation

Sure, okay. I do not wish to prolong this.

getting back on track - Lindsay is simply a child whose parents failed her,
and again, and again, and again. And probably everyone else who mattered to her.
Also, since she was thrown into life of fame, glamor, money early - without a firm background, she wasn't able to handle this well, either.
She got sucked into easy life of rich and spoiled, even if she herself might have not been AT ALL like that.

And since as somebody agreed - it's not easy to be free from the throes of drug addiction - put it all together, and you have lasting disaster.

Only somebody who'd really, but REALLY care for her would save her now.
Do you see anyone like that in vicinity because I don't...

Everyone looks like is enjoying the perks of being with a gorgeous, monied celebrity at the party...

Fuzzy
 
Lindsay is not a child. She is an adult, making adult decisions regarding her life. Having a shitty childhood doesn't mean that she has to keep playing in out in her adult life.

She needs help. She has been given break after break regarding legal consequences in the hope that she would get help before she made it worse on herself. Quite obviously, she is one of those people who have to suffer severe consequences before they are willing to change. The judge who had her arrested for her probation violation did more to help her than anyone who says "Oh, poor thing! She is a victim to her bad childhood. Give her a break." The next break she is given may result in her death.
 
jillio said:
Lindsay is not a child. She is an adult, making adult decisions regarding her life. Having a shitty childhood doesn't mean that she has to keep playing in out in her adult life.

She needs help. She has been given break after break regarding legal consequences in the hope that she would get help before she made it worse on herself. Quite obviously, she is one of those people who have to suffer severe consequences before they are willing to change. The judge who had her arrested for her probation violation did more to help her than anyone who says "Oh, poor thing! She is a victim to her bad childhood. Give her a break." The next break she is given may result in her death.
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I agree with you, but I can see Fuzzy's point as well. On a lot of levels, Lindsay is probably still a child emotionally. That doesn't mean she's not responsible for her actions or needs to take responsibility. It just means that she has nobody around her who really cares enough about her to SHOW her how to respond. Granted, she's been given chance after chance, but if she doesn't have a stable support system that is conducive to her recovery, she will never recover.
 
I agree with you, but I can see Fuzzy's point as well. On a lot of levels, Lindsay is probably still a child emotionally. That doesn't mean she's not responsible for actions or needs to take responsibility. It just means that she has nobody around her who really cares enough about her to SHOW her how to respond. Granted, she's been given chance after chance, but if she doesn't have a stable support system that is conducive to her recovery, she will never recover.
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That's exactly what I am trying to say.
Dumping the "tools" into her lap and saying "now do the right thing" isn't exactly helping.
She needs to be supervised, taught, supported at all times until she regain enough strength to do it alone.

And I am not saying reducing her sentence now is what she needs.

No, I am saying preventing the sentence from happening in the first place
is what she needs.
Where are the people who could and should do that for her - where?

Fuzzy
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I agree with you, but I can see Fuzzy's point as well. On a lot of levels, Lindsay is probably still a child emotionally. That doesn't mean she's not responsible for her actions or needs to take responsibility. It just means that she has nobody around her who really cares enough about her to SHOW her how to respond. Granted, she's been given chance after chance, but if she doesn't have a stable support system that is conducive to her recovery, she will never recover.
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She needs to get into treatment first, and that is obviously going to take hitting a farther down bottom than most. They will begin establishing a support system for her there. Then it will be up to her to utilize it.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
That's exactly what I am trying to say.
Dumping the "tools" into her lap and saying "now do the right thing" isn't exactly helping.
She needs to be supervised, taught, supported at all times until she regain enough strength to do it alone.

And I am not saying reducing her sentence now is what she needs.

No, I am saying preventing the sentence from happening in the first place
is what she needs.
Where are the people who could and should do that for her - where?

Fuzzy
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That is why she needs to suffer the consequences that will make her willing to enter into long term treatment.
 
jillio said:
That is why she needs to suffer the consequences that will make her willing to enter into long term treatment.
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Well, given pass behavior, that's a major IF. As I've said in this thread already, we're probably seeing a tragedy in the making.

I find it sad.

Having suffered from and largely recovered from mental illness (but not substance abuse), I can say it's a long road back. There was a time I didn't think I would ever recover. What Lindsay needs is mandated treatment. I would also say that her family should also be mandated to get counseling and undergo treatment with her, so THEY are healthy enough to help HER. That may be what is the missing link here. Everyone (including me) is laying the responsiblity on Lindsay and I agree she needs to take responsiblity, but once she's detoxed and undergoes treatment for however long, then what? You are thrown back into the same environment you left. It becomes a vicious cycle. Her parents are probably just as ill as she is. They all need to get their butts into treatment and stick it out. Only then, will she get a stay clean. But, that's a big big IF. As I said, the stats aren't not in this girl's favor. We're more likely to read about her demise than we are her recovery.

:(
 
That is why she needs to suffer the consequences that will make her willing to enter into long term treatment.
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Of course she is Jillio, at this point.

But you are missing the whole point, at least what mine is.
All the time I am saying is, in response to those who heckle Lindsay (and her teeth) ,
what is happening now is simply the direct effect of abuse and negligence that started well in childhood and continue until now because nobody
TRULY care.
And this is not laughing matter, nor it is nice to drag her thru the mud now- she is a human being, too.

What will happen now and other blah blah blah is irrelevant at this point.
What is relevant she still is doing it ALONE. I don't see loving family gathering around her.
Which does not predict great outcome.


Fuzzy
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Well, given pass behavior, that's a major IF. As I've said in this thread already, we're probably seeing a tragedy in the making.

I find it sad.

Having suffered from and largely recovered from mental illness (but not substance abuse), I can say it's a long road back. There was a time I didn't think I would ever recover. What Lindsay needs is mandated treatment. I would also say that her family should also be mandated to get counseling and undergo treatment with her, so THEY are healthy enough to help HER. That may be what is the missing link here. Everyone (including me) is laying the responsiblity on Lindsay and I agree she needs to take responsiblity, but once she's detoxed and undergoes treatment for however long, then what? You are thrown back into the same environment you left. It becomes a vicious cycle. Her parents are probably just as ill as she is. They all need to get their butts into treatment and stick it out. Only then, will she get a stay clean. But, that's a big big IF. As I said, the stats aren't not in this girl's favor. We're more likely to read about her demise than we are her recovery.

:(
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Sadly, I have to agree with you. Her prognosis doesn't look good. Willingness is difficult to come by for some.
 
Everyone (including me) is laying the responsiblity on Lindsay and I agree she needs to take responsiblity, but once she's detoxed and undergoes treatment for however long, then what? You are thrown back into the same environment you left.
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Bingo! WHAT will she be coming back to?

And, excuse me for bringing that back up - if anyone ever saw Dr Drew episode carefully enough, whether the show's valid or not,
one thing is painfully obvious enough - these people are working hard at the rehab center.
But, so what? Once they are out, they find themselves in the same exact environment as before, who neither understand them nor give a f...


btw, has anyone ever seen the painful confrontation between former Guns and Roses drummer and his mom who wouldn't accept responsibility for him leaving family house in early teens?


Need I say more??

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Of course she is Jillio, at this point.

But you are missing the whole point, at least what mine is.
All the time I am saying is, in response to those who heckle Lindsay (and her teeth) ,
what is happening now is simply the direct effect of abuse and negligence that started well in childhood and continue until now because nobody
TRULY care.
And this is not laughing matter, nor it is nice to drag her thru the mud now- she is a human being, too.

What will happen now and other blah blah blah is irrelevant at this point.
What is relevant she still is doing it ALONE. I don't see loving family gathering around her.
Which does not predict great outcome.

Fuzzy
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The vast majority of addicts have to get clean without loving family for support. If they had loving family for support, chances are great they would not have become addicts.
 
jillio said:
The vast majority of addicts have to get clean without loving family for support. If they had loving family for support, chances are great they would not have become addicts.
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How many of those who've gone it alone have stayed clean/sober? Probably not many.

Really, Jill. It's been proven that when you have substance abuse in the family, the entire family needs treatment for that abuser to get/stay clean.

It's not just easier; it's crucial. I'm sure there have been people who have gone it alone, but I'm willing to bet that out of those that have, many have relapsed. Relapse is already a given as it is (at least once). A person trying to stay clean on their own is not going to fare very well. Sure, it's possible, but is it likely?

I doubt it.

Also, there's a lot that goes into what causes addiction in the first place. Genetic predisposition is a big factor. Many addicts come from loving families, but the genetic gun was loaded. Environment pulled the trigger, sure, but your supposition that people with loving family don't become addicts just isn't true. Many teen addicts come from loving families. Many don't. But, you can't just make a blanket statement that having a loving family is going to insulate you from becoming addicted to something.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
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Bingo! WHAT will she be coming back to?

And, excuse me for bringing that back up - if anyone ever saw Dr Drew episode carefully enough, whether the show's valid or not,
one thing is painfully obvious enough - these people are working hard at the rehab center.
But, so what? Once they are out, they find themselves in the same exact environment as before, who neither understand them nor give a f...


btw, has anyone ever seen the painful confrontation between former Guns and Roses drummer and his mom who wouldn't accept responsibility for him leaving family house in early teens?


Need I say more??

Fuzzy
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This is where aftercare becomes crucial, I believe. The addict has to completely change who they associate with. The family has to undergo counseling to figure out what is going on in the dynamic that may be aggravating the abuse. Its not as cut and dry as entering a rehab facility for 90 days and voila', the person is clean and sober and it's smooth sailing from there. Often it's not. Often it's a long and bumpy road back to sobriety and clean living.

I also don't know that every addict wants to change. Sure, those that are committed to change their life will, but I'm sure there's a lot of people who simply are going through the motions and not getting out of the program that they could. But, regardless, once a person has completed a program, they must completely change their life. Some are willing to do that. Others aren't. It sure is easier if they have support. Some do. Some don't. The ones that don't have it really, really hard.
 
jillio said:
Sadly, I have to agree with you. Her prognosis doesn't look good. Willingness is difficult to come by for some.
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I know. Every time I hear about her, I sigh in relief that she's not dead... yet.
If she doesn't get her act together, the day will come when I hear that she's dead.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
How many of those who've gone it alone have stayed clean/sober? Probably not many.

Really, Jill. It's been proven that when you have substance abuse in the family, the entire family needs treatment for that abuser to get/stay clean.

It's not just easier; it's crucial. I'm sure there have been people who have gone it alone, but I'm willing to bet that out of those that have, many have relapsed. Relapse is already a given as it is (at least once). A person trying to stay clean on their own is not going to fare very well. Sure, it's possible, but is it likely?

I doubt it.

Also, there's a lot that goes into what causes addiction in the first place. Genetic predisposition is a big factor. Many addicts come from loving families, but the genetic gun was loaded. Environment pulled the trigger, sure, but your supposition that people with loving family don't become addicts just isn't true. Many teen addicts come from loving families. Many don't. But, you can't just make a blanket statement that having a loving family is going to insulate you from becoming addicted to something.
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The number of people who have gone it alone, and developed a support system within the community are greater than the number of families that have agreed to enter into therapy together.:cool2: Take a look at the number of alcoholics who have gotten sober, and stayed sober within the support community of AA. I am talking about support systems, not "loving" family members.

Genetic predisposition does not quarantee that addiction will manifest. Nor does environment. Many with genetic predisposition never become symptomatic. Many with the ususal environmental stressors never become symptomatic.

I didn't say that people from "loving" families didn't become addicts. I said that if people had "supportive" families they probably would not become addicts to start with. All addicts' families are loving. In fact, most of the time they "love" the addict to death. It doesn't have anything to do with "love." It has to do with dysfunctional love. It has to do with the lack of support.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
This is where aftercare becomes crucial, I believe. The addict has to completely change who they associate with. The family has to undergo counseling to figure out what is going on in the dynamic that may be aggravating the abuse. Its not as cut and dry as entering a rehab facility for 90 days and voila', the person is clean and sober and it's smooth sailing from there. Often it's not. Often it's a long and bumpy road back to sobriety and clean living.

I also don't know that every addict wants to change. Sure, those that are committed to change their life will, but I'm sure there's a lot of people who simply are going through the motions and not getting out of the program that they could. But, regardless, once a person has completed a program, they must completely change their life. Some are willing to do that. Others aren't. It sure is easier if they have support. Some do. Some don't. The ones that don't have it really, really hard.
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The family really doesn't have anything to do with the addict and aftercare. Chances of the family entering into treatment to change their destructive behavior patterns is next to none. The more common situation is the family thinking that the problem belongs to the addict and once they are clean, everything is fine. More often than not, an addict that wants to stay clean limits their contact with family. They associate themselves with a support community that can actually help them stay sober and far more often than not, it is not family.
 
jillio said:
The family really doesn't have anything to do with the addict and aftercare. Chances of the family entering into treatment to change their destructive behavior patterns is next to none. The more common situation is the family thinking that the problem belongs to the addict and once they are clean, everything is fine. More often than not, an addict that wants to stay clean limits their contact with family. They associate themselves with a support community that can actually help them stay sober and far more often than not, it is not family.
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What are the odds that Lohan's family will be supportive? Personally, I'd say slim to none based on what I know and seen from her family. :P
 
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