Abstinence only: interesting findings

[Jiro]

I'm saying that they should brush off family value just because they don't want to get marry. or tell the school "Stop teaching about the important of marriage because I don't want to get marry" But we all know that most people will have children someday..

They can practice safe sex, that's their choice, but because so many people don't care about marriage anymore, more children are living in a single parent homes. And I just don't think it is a good idea to brush off marriage.

schools teaches marriage???? I've never heard such thing... I expect this kind of teaching from religious schools, not state schools.

 

[Jolie77]

I'm saying that they should brush off family value just because they don't want to get marry. or tell the school "Stop teaching about the important of marriage because I don't want to get marry" But we all know that most people will have children someday..

They can practice safe sex, that's their choice, but because so many people don't care about marriage anymore, more children are living in a single parent homes. And I just don't think it is a good idea to brush off marriage.

Allright - That, I can understand.

Let's steer back on topic with the abstinence and safe sex - What do you suggest is the best way out of this rather than making it seem like it shouldn't be in the picture in the first place?

 

[Lighthouse77]

And unmarried people should not have the opportunity to make an educated decision just because they are not married. By teaching condoms to married people only, you put the majority of the population at risk.

I didn't say teach it to married people only.. I said treat it as a marriage thing. Just like how we treat making the decision to have kids is a marriage thing. Unmarried people will know about condom and birth control. They need to know. I mean I would like to know before my wedding so I don't get pregnant on my honeymoon.

 

[Lighthouse77]

schools teaches marriage???? I've never heard such thing... I expect this kind of teaching from religious schools, not state schools.

well I guess we should be giving the option.. Let the parent opt out and teach it.. but they can't let that happen.

 

[Jiro]

here's a thing. Teaching moral value to kids. I have a problem with that. It's fine to teach moral value to kids but kids are kids. It's a very dangerous assumption that kids would understand the importance & the reason of moral values. Remember - you were once a kid. Kids do not think like adults. Kids do not know any better than adults. Kids will make mistake and learn from it. Moral value is a very very tricky thing to understand and it's vague as well.

Teach them education of sex, not moral value of sex. It's much less confusing that way.

 

[jillio]

Single parent homes have family values, too. Just because someone is a single parent doesn't mean that they don't have family values and do not teach those family values to their children.

The importance of marraige is best left to the family. That is not something that a school system should be teaching, as it depends on the individual as to what importance they attach to it. It is a moral area, and schools are not in the business of teaching morality, nor should they be.

 

[Lighthouse77]

, that's like saying kids don't understand the important of looking both ways before crossing the street.. do you mean I should just watch them like a hawk if they don't understand the important of it?

oh thats right, we should be watching our teen anyway.

 

[Lighthouse77]

Single parent homes have family values, too. Just because someone is a single parent doesn't mean that they don't have family values and do not teach those family values to their children.

The importance of marraige is best left to the family. That is not something that a school system should be teaching, as it depends on the individual as to what importance they attach to it. It is a moral area, and schools are not in the business of teaching morality, nor should they be.

A child going back and forth from his dad then to his mom is never easy. Legally, they both have custody (if the judge decide this), it is just easier with both parents at home..So sometimes it is better to wait til you find someone you can live with to have a child with him. I think it is really unfair for the father not see his son for one whole week when he rather see him everyday.

 

[jillio]

A child going back and forth from his dad then to his mom is never easy. Legally, they both have custody (if the judge decide this), it is just easier with both parents at home..So sometimes it is better to wait til you find someone you can live with to have a child with him. I think it is really unfair for the father not see his son for one whole week when he rather see him everyday.

I agree with that, but it still has nothing to do with teaching sex ed.

 

[jillio]

, that's like saying kids don't understand the important of looking both ways before crossing the street.. do you mean I should just watch them like a hawk if they don't understand the important of it?

oh thats right, we should be watching our teen anyway.

Well, if a kid doesn't understand the importance of looking both ways before they cross the street, you had better be watching them like a hawk. Otherwise they will do what kids do....run out in the street and risk being hit by a car.

That is exactly why teens need to understand the importance of protection.

 

[Jiro]

oh geez, that's like saying kids don't understand the important of looking both ways before crossing the street.. do you mean I should just watch them like a hawk if they don't understand the important of it?

oh thats right, we should be watching our teen anyway.

well since you're using "look-both-ways-before-crossing-the-street" example... I'll borrow it.

Education of Sex - "look both ways before you cross the street because if you don't, you could get hurt by incoming drivers. Drivers don't always pay attention. last year, -- kids got hurt/killed. be careful, ok?"
Result - Kids: ooooohhhh now I understand.... wow that's so dangerous.. I'll be more alert and careful

Moral Value of Sex - "look both ways before you cross the street... just cuz. and you'll be fine."
Result - Kids: uuhh... whatever. I guess I'll just find out for myself.

 

[Lighthouse77]

well since you're using "look-both-ways-before-crossing-the-street" example... I'll borrow it.

Education of Sex - "look both ways before you cross the street because if you don't, you could get hurt by incoming drivers. Drivers don't always pay attention. last year, -- kids got hurt/killed. be careful, ok?"
Result - Kids: ooooohhhh now I understand.... wow that's so dangerous.. I'll be more alert and careful

Moral Value of Sex - "look both ways before you cross the street... just cuz. and you'll be fine."
Result - Kids: uuhh... whatever. I guess I'll just find out for myself.

uhhh, we do teach the reason behind our moral beliefs.

 

[Jiro]

uhhh, we do teach the reason behind our moral beliefs.

you do but many don't. it's easy to preach about moral values but it's not easy for kids to understand the moral values on deeper level - this is something that they will eventually acquire in adulthood. How do you expect the kids/teens to understand it the way adults understand it? So you know what happened as the result? misconceptions, mistakes, and even loss of life.

 

[Lighthouse77]

It's a common moral belief that we should not kill people. Even kids understand this (if they don't, we better watch them then!!)

 

[Jiro]

It's a common moral belief that we should not kill people. Even kids understand this (if they don't, we better watch them then!!)

well - it's a built-in mechanism not to murder people, not moral belief..... It's not a question of moral belief though because people in other countries would disagree with you. But that's off-topic.

So what is this moral belief being taught to our kids about sex? it's very confusing for kids to understand because there are many kinds of moral belief about sex in America. One is taught that being a virgin is pure and holy. Other is taught that not being a virgin would make you look grown-up and popular. et cetera et cetera.....

Bristol Palin stammers the truth - Now you see how deeply confused Bristol Palin was...

 

[jillio]

It's a common moral belief that we should not kill people. Even kids understand this (if they don't, we better watch them then!!)

No, they don't. Kids understand that it is wrong to kill people because they are taught that it is wrong. They do not understand the moral implications of murder until they are older. They simply are not capable of that kind of reasoning.

 

[Lighthouse77]

I already told the other poster that we do explain our reason behind our moral belief.

we are speaking about teens, not little kids anyway. He was referring to them as kids.

 

[Jiro]

I already told the other poster that we do explain our reason behind our moral belief.

we are speaking about teens, not little kids anyway. He was referring to them as kids.

that's precisely what I'm talking about. Even teens don't know any better because their confusions and misconceptions were not resolved in the beginning. Simple - look at Bristol Palin. and hundred of thousands of pregnant teens. btw - little kids are having sex too.

 

[Lighthouse77]

well - it's a built-in mechanism not to murder people, not moral belief..... It's not a question of moral belief though because people in other countries would disagree with you. But that's off-topic.

So what is this moral belief being taught to our kids about sex? it's very confusing for kids to understand because there are many kinds of moral belief about sex in America. One is taught that being a virgin is pure and holy. Other is taught that not being a virgin would make you look grown-up and popular. et cetera et cetera.....

Bristol Palin stammers the truth - Now you see how deeply confused Bristol Palin was...

yes, confusion is a problem, isn't it? you just supported some of the religious rights argument about the message being taught in school (and tv shows, and stuff like that).
Then they come home with a total different message from their parents. Now you see why some parents are upset with some sex education teaching? What rights does the school have to teach my kids about condom til marriage or til they are ready to have a child? When we rather treat sex education as marriage thing?

btw, in animal world, some of them have a built in mechanism to support the mother/father and children (family). And some don't. But I think we have it.

 

[Jiro]

yes, confusion is a problem, isn't it? you just supported some of the religious rights argument about the message being taught in school (and tv shows, and stuff like that).
Then they come home with a total different message from their parents. Now you see why some parents are upset with some sex education teaching? What rights does the school have to teach my kids about condom til marriage or til they are ready to have a child? When we rather treat sex education as marriage thing?

no I did not support anything relating to religious rights argument or any such. You're probably confused from my posts. Mind you - the schools require parental permission to teach sex education to your kids so there's nothing to be upset about. But what I'm upset about is that most sex education in many public schools are mediocre and outdated. c'mon.... showing some black & white films made from 1980's?????? :roll:

btw, in animal world, some of them have a built in mechanism to support the mother/father and children (family). And some don't. But I think we have it.

some? no.... MAJORITY does. if some doesn't - it's because they're mentally damaged and that's why they ended up as a murderous psychopath.