3 year old with cochears

[jillio]

Oh man, that brought back a lot of memories. I knew a lot of people who went through with that. It's just not right.

Thankfully, my parents never would have done that to me.

And it is obvious in your well adjusted, fluid thinking patterns. As well as in your use of language.

 

[Banjo]

By the way, anyone remember that incredibly personal attack that was blasted upon myself by a member that once used to post here on a regular basis? He did it on Christmas Day. He ended up getting the boot and a backlash from the members here. Tsk.

 

[GrendelQ]

You know why? Because learning ASL is something that doesn't require major surgery. There is an actual reason some are not crazy on the idea of a CI. The two -- learning ASL and undergoing major surgery simply cannot be compared.

That's why we are entitled to our valid, yes, valid opinions.

This is not a thread about CI surgery.

 

[jillio]

But, Oddball and you can't know either of those -- motivation or outcome -- for those individuals who choose CIs, can you?

I can know what the motivation is for those who chose CI for themselves that are willing to share that motivation.

Regarding the children who had someone else choose for them; their motivations are glaringly obvious in what they say. And even more glaringly obvious in the lengths they go to to keep up the denial of their true motivations.

 

[jillio]

By the way, anyone remember that incredibly personal attack that was blasted upon myself by a member that once used to post here on a regular basis? He did it on Christmas Day. He ended up getting the boot and a backlash from the members here. Tsk.

Oh, yeah, I remember!! What a jerk!

 

[jillio]

This is not a thread about CI surgery.

One cannot discuss the CI separate from the surgery. One cannot have a CI without surgery. Surgery is inherent.

 

[Beowulf]

I can know what the motivation is for those who chose CI for themselves that are willing to share that motivation.

Regarding the children who had someone else choose for them; their motivations are glaringly obvious in what they say. And even more glaringly obvious in the lengths they go to to keep up the denial of their true motivations.

Those children are not even in their thirties yet. Mind you, it is from personal observations that most people rethink their lives in their mid thirties. Am I right or wrong?

 

[jillio]

Those children are not even in their thirties yet. Mind you, it is from personal observations that most people rethink their lives in their mid thirties. Am I right or wrong?

You are absolutely correct. That is the age when everyone begins to re-evaluate. It is an accepted stage of development, charted cross culturally.

And just so I'm clear, I was referring to the motivations of the person making the choice.

 

[GrendelQ]

Where in the world have I stepped all over a deaf child's experience?

This thread was created by the parent of a deaf child looking for advice from those with experience parenting a deaf child. By drumming out all attempts to talk about the issue at hand, and turning this conversation into a forum for bashing CIs, the possibility of a dialogue with that parent, the opening of opportunities to draw that parent into the deaf community that she reached out to has been lost.

As usual.

And you may not give a damn what hearing parents think or need, but it directly affects that deaf child who you purport to care so much about. Slam the door on the parent and you won't see that child around any time soon, more likely, not ever. Isn't that the cycle so many of you saw? Instead of breaking that, you are now the agents of closing the doors on deaf children.

 

[jillio]

This thread was created by the parent of a deaf child looking for advice from those with experience parenting a deaf child. By drumming out all attempts to talk about the issue at hand, and turning this conversation into a forum for bashing CIs, the possibility of a dialogue with that parent, the opening of opportunities to draw that parent into the deaf community that she reached out to has been lost.

As usual.

And you may not give a damn what hearing parents think or need, but it directly affects that deaf child who you purport to care so much about. Slam the door on the parent and you won't see that child around any time soon, more likely, not ever. Isn't that the cycle so many of you saw? Instead of breaking that, you are now the agents of closing the doors on deaf children.

I guess you are ignoring the fact that I am a parent with extensive experience in parenting a deaf child and also that I have extensive experience in working with deaf children and their parents.

No one is bashing CIs. Everyone is giving advice from their own perspective. However, you seem to be intent on bashing the deaf perspective of a few individuals. That is what keeps taking the thread off track and turning it into a "I'm right, you are wrong!" battle once again. If the deaf perspective upsets you so much, maybe you need to stick to the forums that present more of a hearing perspective. You really need to do something about the way you over react.

 

[AlleyCat]

This is not a thread about CI surgery.

Oh, I'm sorry. I did not realize CIs were possible without surgery.

And, that is actually the IMPORTANT part of the comparison you are making -- one that has surgery and one that doesn't. That's why you don't see people screaming about not wanting ASL. If people don't want ASL, they just don't learn it. Simple reasoning, I believe.

Yes, you're right about this not being a thread about surgery. Neither was it a thread about eating vegetables.

 

[Beowulf]

You are absolutely correct. That is the age when everyone begins to re-evaluate. It is an accepted stage of development, charted cross culturally.

And just so I'm clear, I was referring to the motivations of the person making the choice.

Yet I still think a lot of those children are in denial for various reasons. It will not be pretty when they face their own inner truths.

 

[GrendelQ]

One cannot discuss the CI separate from the surgery.

Ah, no, that's not the case. You can discuss many, many aspects, from programming strategies and mappings and methods of keeping the CI on the head while skydiving to the vocabulary acquisition and learning strategies for children with CIs without surgery as a likely or necessary part of those conversations.

 

[jillio]

Yet I still think a lot of those children are in denial for various reasons. It will not be pretty when they face their own inner truths.

Oh, yeah. And it won't be pretty.

 

[jillio]

Ah, no, that's not the case. You can discuss many, many aspects, from programming strategies and mappings and methods of keeping the CI on the head while skydiving to the vocabulary acquisition and learning strategies for children with CIs without surgery as a likely or necessary part of those conversations.

How are any of those things possible without surgery? Surgery is inherent in any discussion of the choice of a CI.

Maybe you need to stick to that other forum where hearing parents who believe the CI will make their child different from past generations of deaf. They seem to support your views much more than the actual population the CI was intended to benefit.

 

[GrendelQ]

Oh, I'm sorry. I did not realize CIs were possible without surgery.

...

Yes, you're right about this not being a thread about surgery. Neither was it a thread about eating vegetables.

That really makes no sense. We don't bring childbirth into every conversation about ASL, and I don't think you being around to sign is possible without that.

Are you saying that surgery is an analogy for something else?

 

[jillio]

That really makes no sense. We don't bring childbirth into every conversation about ASL, and I don't think you being around to sign is possible without that.

Are you saying that surgery is an analogy for something else?

Absolutely the most absurd comparison I have ever seen used on this forum. No wonder things get so off track and ridiculous.

These are the lengths I was referring to. LOL!

 

[shel90]

This thread was created by the parent of a deaf child looking for advice from those with experience parenting a deaf child. By drumming out all attempts to talk about the issue at hand, and turning this conversation into a forum for bashing CIs, the possibility of a dialogue with that parent, the opening of opportunities to draw that parent into the deaf community that she reached out to has been lost.

As usual.

And you may not give a damn what hearing parents think or need, but it directly affects that deaf child who you purport to care so much about. Slam the door on the parent and you won't see that child around any time soon, more likely, not ever. Isn't that the cycle so many of you saw? Instead of breaking that, you are now the agents of closing the doors on deaf children.[/QUOTE]

We started out by sharing our experiences with not wanting devices on our heads and all different possibilities for the OP but you and the others insist on making the child keep on wearing the CIs and started comparing our experiences to vegetables and baths. It felt like you and other disprespected the fact that we are deaf and many of us went through the same thing as the OP's child did.

Now, you turn around and say we are responsible for closing doors on deaf children?

 

[jillio]

This thread was created by the parent of a deaf child looking for advice from those with experience parenting a deaf child. By drumming out all attempts to talk about the issue at hand, and turning this conversation into a forum for bashing CIs, the possibility of a dialogue with that parent, the opening of opportunities to draw that parent into the deaf community that she reached out to has been lost.

As usual.

And you may not give a damn what hearing parents think or need, but it directly affects that deaf child who you purport to care so much about. Slam the door on the parent and you won't see that child around any time soon, more likely, not ever. Isn't that the cycle so many of you saw? Instead of breaking that, you are now the agents of closing the doors on deaf children.[/QUOTE]

We started out by sharing our experiences with not wanting devices on our heads and all different possibilities for the OP but you and the others insist on making the child keep on wearing the CIs and started comparing our experiences to vegetables and baths. It felt like you and other disprespected the fact that we are deaf and many of us went through the same thing as the OP's child did.

Now, you turn around and say we are responsible for closing doors on deaf children?

I know. This whole discussion has rolled down the hill into the land of plain silliness. That's what happens when someone is trying too hard to justify themselves.

 

[GrendelQ]

Wirelessly posted

I have never said the child must continue to wear it -- where did you get that?