2 deaf kids --- ci's???

[Audiofuzzy]

Angel, I am not being mean - but you must accept the fact that I, like Cloggy and Rick and Neecy and some other people - I, WE use WRITTEN English.
By more than half of your responses, also Maria's, Cheri's and most of all - Liebling's - it's obvious, CLEAR, you people MISS most of the point of my posts completely, no offense- but how CAN you when you don't understand?

This way you create your own ASSUMED opinion of what I've said, and accuse me of things I never did, said, or coneveyed.

That's not why Cheri was speechless, read Rick's post again before you start attacking Cheri here, and then read yours and Cloggy's posts

yeah? So WHY was Cheri speechless -please tell.
And for the record, I didn't ATTACK Cheri? I calmly ASKED her "why speechless?"
see how your are making of it something it is NOT? I CALMLY ASKED.

Originally Posted by Rick
What ever you do, do not stop using sign with your children."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy
They don't have to sign to raise Lotte a happy, confident child,
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloggy
She's right... we don't (any more) We only use it when her CI is off

Explain to me what sign language have to do with raising a HAPPY child?
In your opinion then, Lotte is UNHAPPY? because she STOPPED signing for NOW?

"Why does she need sign-language".?

Exactly, WHY DOES NOW? At the moment, Lotte is interested in HEARING.
That does not mean she won't go back to signing sometime later.
I understand your concern Angel about her not being immersed in deaf enviroment. Keep in ind though, Lotte WAS, right now she needs to practice hearing and speaking. Lotte is -what - FIVE years old now? for god's sake, this little kid have plenty of time to go back to signing, NO TIME to learn to hear and speak!
That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT!

I for one don't think a hearing parent is REQUIRED to learn sign language.

That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!

Hearing parents does not have to sign They can use gestures invented by and comprehensible for both the child and the parent. They can draw pictures, they can write if the child is old enough to read, they can speak directly into their ear if possible, they can speak with careful lip movement. That's for starters

That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!

How in the world did all of you deaf who'se hearing parents never signed communicated with them, then? judging by your opinions, it wasn't even possible. One can only wonder how did you got raised up into successful adults

That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!

do you want loving father who don't sign, or bad father who sign?

That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!. AND I never got answer to it!

You would preffer an signing azz for a father instead of loving non-signing?

That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!. AND I never got answer to it!

This is why Cheri was speechless and what sadness me is that you have not said one word regarding to what this topic is about, but you were too busy worry about what Cheri and Liebling said in their posts...

Ok, but may I point out saying "I'm speechless" doesn't have antyhing to do with topic either?? - what is Cheri really doing she is putting Rock's reply down -off topic!, and unneccessary remark.

And Liebling? Liebling lately seem to be interested in ONE thing only - to pick and pick and pick and pick on me, nothing else. Just look at her posts to me.

This is why Cheri was speechless ".. because it shows that Rick support sign language 100%! "

So, I was RIGHT after all! Cheri was speechless because she didn't realise Rick supports sign language. He ALWAYS did, only most of you were too busy bickering to see that.

I'm not going to respond to Fuzzy's post because she's always looking for trouble.

Quite on the opposite. I am trying to make you see what is in front of you, and what you are missing nonetheless - like the fact that all of us supports the use of sign language:

Remember that not using sign language does not mean signlanguage is not considered valuable.

This is why I, and I feel also Rick, Audiofuzzy, Neecy and other, can say something like that, but still believe sign is valuable.

The problem is, you all got hang up on one or two words of a sentence you don't quite understood, and ASSUME somethign that wasn't there in the first place, then quote it as a fact.

Whatever Cloggy, Audiofuzzy never say anything positive about sign language from the day she joined All Deaf, It's always the negative about sign language, so don't tell me she believes sign is valuable.

Flat out lie.

I could pull up every post from the day she joined to presents the negatives about sign language.

YES, please do that. I am convinced 100% it will just turn out the usual case of YOU misunderstanding written English.

See? I am not only one who see Fuzzy's negative posts over sign language...

That is because you, Cheri, Angel, Maria, and some other people understand ASL English, not written English, and are too stubborn to listen.

If, Fuzzy is negative about sign language, then what is she doin' in this AD for ? This is Alex' AD afterall.

First of all, I am NOT negative about SL. Second, I am deaf - remember? of course NOT.

It's a miralce! He's seen the light!

No, Jill. He never said sign language is invaluable or unneccessary. You, like others, were too busy proving your own point to pay attention to someone else. Now, before you start bashing me for saying that - do take a minute to think about it, please.

Agreed. Her support of sign is a recent development. She started saying that she supported speech and sign a few days ago. Go figure! Must have changed her mind!

Really? how would you feel if I magically pulled out my old posts from 2005 that prove I was always in favor of sign language? would it be different gif, then:

So when someone says "there is no need for sign", it means just that. The automatic conclusion that it means "sign is not valuable" is completely wrong.

DO keep it in mind while discussing from now on, please.

This is why I, and I feel also Rick, Audiofuzzy, Neecy and other, can say something like that, but still believe sign is valuable.

do remember also this.

If it is considered to be a valuable tool, then one also includes it. Once only ceases to include the use of sign with a deaf child, when one decides it is no longer valuable.

NOT neccessarily.


Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

Ok, but may I point out saying "I'm speechless" doesn't have antyhing to do with topic either?? - what is Cheri really doing she is putting Rock's reply down -off topic!, and unneccessary remark.

I'm putting Rick down with a unnecessary remark?!! I did not insulted Rick nor I was putting him down, I was only responding honestly that I was speechless on what I've read by Rick. I don't see why you decide to take that offended, there's nothing offensive about what I wrote.

but you must accept the fact that I, like Cloggy and Rick and Neecy and some other people - I, WE use WRITTEN English.

And we don't??!! I supposed we were writing in Spanish. that included Jillio also since she agrees with us. Hummm....

Please correct your spelling Fuzzy, I thought you said you use written english.. You made so many spelling errors on your recently post.

 

[Cheri]

That is because you, Cheri, Angel, Maria, and some other people understand ASL English, not written English, and are too stubborn to listen.

We understand both ASL English and written English. Do you have any idea how ASL English is written? I believe not because you never sign in your whole life.

When someone writes in ASL, they use brief explanation, like "I go store" Have you seen any of us write like this? No!!

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I'm putting Rick down with a unnecessary remark?!! I did not insulted Rick nor I was putting him down, I was only responding honestly that I was speechless on what I've read by Rick. I don't see why you decide to take that offended, there's nothing offensive about what I wrote.

See what happens when WE INTERPRET OUR WAY what was said?

Please correct your spelling Fuzzy, I thought you said you use written english.. You made so many spelling errors on your recently post.

your recently post.

correct way is: "your recent post". and that is NOT a spelling mistake - it's inncorect grammar.

Spelling is IRRELEVANT. Spelling is missing a letter, or using a wrong letter. It happens to everyone.
Your English have different grammar and syntax - that's what matters.

And we don't??!! I supposed we were writing in Spanish.

You are writting ASL English, or at best- a mix of written English and ASL English. It's certainly NOT the written English that is used in general hearing population.

But that is not what is important - what is important is how you forget that, and interpret YOUR WAY what I am saying, and then accuse me of saying things I DIDN'T. And then when I am trying to explain you asy oh no no we know better.
Our discussion looks like this:

Fuzzy "I like sun".
Cheri, Angel, Maria, Liebling, : "Oh you don't like moon".
Fuzzy: "No that's not what I said".
C,A,M, L: "yes you did. You never said anything positive about moon only sun, that means you don't like moon".
Cheri": "Fuzzy said in other thread she doesn't like moon, only sun".

And THAT'S what you are doing to me. Not only to me, Cloggy, Rick, Neecy and others as well.

Perhaps it's time to address that.

Fuzzy

 

[jillio]

Was it jillio's light?

Nah....the light of sign and communication.

 

[jillio]

Angel, I am not being mean - but you must accept the fact that I, like Cloggy and Rick and Neecy and some other people - I, WE use WRITTEN English.
By more than half of your responses, also Maria's, Cheri's and most of all - Liebling's - it's obvious, CLEAR, you people MISS most of the point of my posts completely, no offense- but how CAN you when you don't understand?

This way you create your own ASSUMED opinion of what I've said, and accuse me of things I never did, said, or coneveyed.



yeah? So WHY was Cheri speechless -please tell.
And for the record, I didn't ATTACK Cheri? I calmly ASKED her "why speechless?"
see how your are making of it something it is NOT? I CALMLY ASKED.



Explain to me what sign language have to do with raising a HAPPY child?
In your opinion then, Lotte is UNHAPPY? because she STOPPED signing for NOW?



Exactly, WHY DOES NOW? At the moment, Lotte is interested in HEARING.
That does not mean she won't go back to signing sometime later.
I understand your concern Angel about her not being immersed in deaf enviroment. Keep in ind though, Lotte WAS, right now she needs to practice hearing and speaking. Lotte is -what - FIVE years old now? for god's sake, this little kid have plenty of time to go back to signing, NO TIME to learn to hear and speak!
That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT!


That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!


That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!



That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!



That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!. AND I never got answer to it!


That does NOT mean signing is UNIMPORTANT !!. AND I never got answer to it!




Ok, but may I point out saying "I'm speechless" doesn't have antyhing to do with topic either?? - what is Cheri really doing she is putting Rock's reply down -off topic!, and unneccessary remark.

And Liebling? Liebling lately seem to be interested in ONE thing only - to pick and pick and pick and pick on me, nothing else. Just look at her posts to me.




So, I was RIGHT after all! Cheri was speechless because she didn't realise Rick supports sign language. He ALWAYS did, only most of you were too busy bickering to see that.




Quite on the opposite. I am trying to make you see what is in front of you, and what you are missing nonetheless - like the fact that all of us supports the use of sign language:




The problem is, you all got hang up on one or two words of a sentence you don't quite understood, and ASSUME somethign that wasn't there in the first place, then quote it as a fact.



Flat out lie.



YES, please do that. I am convinced 100% it will just turn out the usual case of YOU misunderstanding written English.




That is because you, Cheri, Angel, Maria, and some other people understand ASL English, not written English, and are too stubborn to listen.




First of all, I am NOT negative about SL. Second, I am deaf - remember? of course NOT.



No, Jill. He never said sign language is invaluable or unneccessary. You, like others, were too busy proving your own point to pay attention to someone else. Now, before you start bashing me for saying that - do take a minute to think about it, please.





Really? how would you feel if I magically pulled out my old posts from 2005 that prove I was always in favor of sign language? would it be different gif, then:






DO keep it in mind while discussing from now on, please.




do remember also this.



NOT neccessarily.


Fuzzy

Rein yourself in before another parent gets tired of the nonsense and leaves what should be a supportive place to be.

 

[jillio]

I'm putting Rick down with a unnecessary remark?!! I did not insulted Rick nor I was putting him down, I was only responding honestly that I was speechless on what I've read by Rick. I don't see why you decide to take that offended, there's nothing offensive about what I wrote.

And we don't??!! I supposed we were writing in Spanish. that included Jillio also since she agrees with us. Hummm....

Please correct your spelling Fuzzy, I thought you said you use written english.. You made so many spelling errors on your recently post.

Shame on you, Cheri! You should have told me I wasn't writing in English!

Let's see here.........one person makes posts. Six people read those posts, and all six understand them the same way. What is the common variable? The one person making the posts. Looks to me like the problem is not in the six people's understanding, but in the one person's posts! The problem is not with the receptive end of language use, but with the expressive end. Go figure!

 

[jillio]

We understand both ASL English and written English. Do you have any idea how ASL English is written? I believe not because you never sign in your whole life.

When someone writes in ASL, they use brief explanation, like "I go store" Have you seen any of us write like this? No!!

First of all, ASL is NOT English, it is ASL. ASL is not a written language, it is a manual language. It has no standardized written form.

I see nothing wrong with your English syntax, grammar, spelling, or pragmatics, Cheri. Looks like English to me.

So the whole idea of ASL English is something just pulled out of thin air. There is no such thing. That makes the whole accusation that you use ASL English instead of written English absurd and invalid. That has to be one of the most ridiculas statements I have ever read!

 

[jillio]

See what happens when WE INTERPRET OUR WAY what was said?

Corrected use of grammatically correct written English:\
Do you see what happens when we interpret what was said in our own way?





correct way is: "your recent post". and that is NOT a spelling mistake - it's inncorect grammar.

Spelling is IRRELEVANT. Spelling is missing a letter, or using a wrong letter. It happens to everyone.
Your English have different grammar and syntax - that's what matters.

If we're going to correct grammar errors, here, the bolded word should be "has" not "have".You are writting ASL English, or at best- a mix of written English and ASL English. It's certainly NOT the written English that is used in general hearing population.

And yours is? And, dear, dear, fuzzy, there is no such thing as ASL English. It is either English, or ASL, not both. They are separate languages.
But that is not what is important - what is important is how you forget that, and interpret YOUR WAY what I am saying, and then accuse me of saying things I DIDN'T. And then when I am trying to explain you asy oh no no we know better.

Oops, more errors in grammar. Your passage should have been written as follows in order to be grammatically correct:
But, that is not important. What is important is you misinterpret what I am saying and subsequently accuse me of saying things I didn't say. Then, when I try to explain, you say, "oh, no, no! We know better!"
Our discussion looks like this:



And THAT'S what you are doing to me. Not only to me, Cloggy, Rick, Neecy and others as well.

My, my, it appears that I have discovered more errors in grammar!
Corrected passage:
That's what you are doing to me. And, not only to me, but to cloggy, rick, neecy, and others, as well.[/COLOR\]Perhaps it's time to address that.

Perhaps it is time for you to take care of your own problems with correct grammar before you deign to criticize another's grammar.

 

[lovezebras]

maybe we should get back on topic...i dont think we need to scare off someone who is looking for opinions on her situation to go and never come bak to AD again...

How is your son doing with his CI have you seen improvements at all? Has he expressed that he doesn't like it? (i dont kno how old he is sorry, not sure if its possible for him to say)

 

[rick48]

I'm speechless.

If you are speechless then you have obviously not bothered to read my posts for then you would have known that I advocate that parents should make decisions that are in the best interests of their children and that there is no one "best" or "right" way to raise a deaf child as they are unique individuals.

Rather, your comment exposes your own prejudices and indicates that you have chosen to judge me based upon how we have raised our child: with a cochlear implant and with spoken language as her primary mode of communication.

While you may be speechless thankfully due to her cochlear implant, my daughter is not.
Rick

 

[rick48]

Why speechless? Rick was never against SL. nor Cloggy, nor me.

Fuzzy

Fuzzy,


Thanks for pointing out the truth and do not let these close minded people get to you even though it is frustrating that no matter how many times you say the sky is blue they still insist that you said it was red!

 

[Cheri]

You are writting ASL English, or at best- a mix of written English and ASL English. It's certainly NOT the written English that is used in general hearing population.

Is this what you do? harshly judge others? Why would I care about one person over many other people who thinks different as you. For instance, I asked my family if I can write in good English, They said of course I do, I even told them what you said about my grammar, and they said whoever thinks otherwise is an idiot. I supposed they're correct. I believe the only reason why you judge others is because there is something about you that you're jealous of.

And THAT'S what you are doing to me. Not only to me, Cloggy, Rick, Neecy and others as well.

You're so focus on yourself, and then you drag Cloggy, Rick and Neecy in your every post, Are you hoping for followers to show their support for you? You can't fight your own battle?

 

[rick48]

Jilly, Jilly, Jilly,

So wrong as usual. There is no irony as I am not advocating sign nor any method but it is obvious that there are some major issues going on in this woman's family right now and the only thing I do know is that she has two deaf children and is using sign. She also has an implanted child and is considering taking the implant off him. I think first and foremost until and if she ever provides me with more information the most important thing is to continue using the one method I know she is using.

FYI my "direct" comment was not made to anyone else but only to you regarding your decision to deny the implant to your child and the word I used was safe, not easy. But continue to beat a dead horse, we are all soooooooooo interested in a post about you made weeks ago.
Rick

 

[rick48]

Was it jillio's light?

Hardly for a dim bulb casts very little light.

 

[rick48]

cd,

If you ever have any questions, please feel free to ask here or to pm me. I am a parent of a 20 year old daughter who was implanted over 17 years ago.

I hope everything works out for you and your family.
Rick

 

[Cheri]

First of all, ASL is NOT English, it is ASL. ASL is not a written language, it is a manual language. It has no standardized written form.

Sorry, I just copied it off of Fuzzy, which I shouldn't have because she doesn't have a clue when it comes to ASL. Thanks for the correction.

I see nothing wrong with your English syntax, grammar, spelling, or pragmatics, Cheri. Looks like English to me.

Thank-you. Jillio.

 

[rick48]

Rein yourself in before another parent gets tired of the nonsense and leaves what should be a supportive place to be.

I have not heard one hearing parent of a deaf child argue with Fuzzy but there have been plenty who have with you.

 

[jillio]

If you are speechless then you have obviously not bothered to read my posts for then you would have known that I advocate that parents should make decisions that are in the best interests of their children and that there is no one "best" or "right" way to raise a deaf child as they are unique individuals.

Rather, your comment exposes your own prejudices and indicates that you have chosen to judge me based upon how we have raised our child: with a cochlear implant and with spoken language as her primary mode of communication.

While you may be speechless thankfully due to her cochlear implant, my daughter is not.
Rick

Correction....only means of communication.

 

[jillio]

Fuzzy,


Thanks for pointing out the truth and do not let these close minded people get to you even though it is frustrating that no matter how many times you say the sky is blue they still insist that you said it was red!

Backtracking. What about your comment that parents who chose to raise their children with ASL and exposure to Deaf Culture took the "easy way out"?
Do you know sign language? Did you ever use sign language with your own deaf child? When you recommended that your daughter take a sign language class to fulfill a college requirement, did you consider taking a class as well? Do you participate in deaf culture? Did you raise your daughter using the oral method?