2 deaf kids --- ci's???

[Liebling:-)))]

Why speechless? Rick was never against SL. nor Cloggy, nor me.

Fuzzy

You? You described sign language in negative way at some threads.

 

[deafdyke]

Rick, kudos to you for reccomending that they continue with Sign.

Also are either or both of your children receiving spoken language therapy?

This is actually the area where I WISH pro oralists would realize that they need to collaborate with TC programs so that dhh kids can get the benifit of a full toolbox. It's a good idea to look into the private oral programs to supplement the speech therapy offered by TC programs. The good/talented oral therapists tend to be attracted towards the private programs b/c they pay more.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

You? You described sign language in negative way at some threads.

Oh for crying out loud Liebling - you don't understand half of what I write,
so back off. is it now your life mission to follow and bother me everywhere I go regardless of what you understand?

Ever since I came to Alldeaf I advocated both SL and hearing world.
pay attention to my posts, ask people to translate them into ASL for you and then you will be clear on my stance.

Just because I said "parents doesn't have to learn SL" doesn't make it negative. Only in your head.

Good grief, think before you attack me.



Fuzzy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Oh for crying out loud Liebling - you don't understand half of what I write,
so back off. is it now your life mission to follow and bother me everywhere I go regardless of what you understand?

No, I am not only one who see your post different.

Ever since I came to Alldeaf I advocated both SL and hearing world.

If you are interesting to both deaf and hearing world then share cons/pros in positive way.

pay attention to my posts, ask people to translate them into ASL for you and then you will be clear on my stance.

Accord AllDeaf forum Rule:
10.) No enticing or provoking other members to cause them to get into trouble.

Just because I said "parents doesn't have to learn SL" doesn't make it negative. Only in your head.

We are total speechless over your comment because it's a misleading and negative which it should not be. We want hearing posters know that SL is mainly important..

Good grief, think before you attack me.

Attack? No, but correct your misleading and negative post.

Anyway back to topic.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I am not going to respond to your posts anymore Liebling because I don't believe you are interested in information and opinion exchange, you only attack me all the time, that's all. You are looking for w hole in whole, that's all.

Fuzzy

 

[Angel]

Why speechless? Rick was never against SL. nor Cloggy, nor me.

Fuzzy

That's not why Cheri was speechless, read Rick's post again before you start attacking Cheri here, and then read yours and Cloggy's posts

What ever you do, do not stop using sign with your children."

They don't have to sign to raise Lotte a happy, confident child,

She's right... we don't (any more) We only use it when her CI is off

"Why does she need sign-language".?

I for one don't think a hearing parent is REQUIRED to learn sign language.

Hearing parents does not have to sign They can use gestures invented by and comprehensible for both the child and the parent. They can draw pictures, they can write if the child is old enough to read, they can speak directly into their ear if possible, they can speak with careful lip movement. That's for starters

How in the world did all of you deaf who'se hearing parents never signed communicated with them, then? judging by your opinions, it wasn't even possible. One can only wonder how did you got raised up into successful adults?

do you want loving father who don't sign, or bad father who sign?

You would preffer an signing azz for a father instead of loving non-signing?

This is why Cheri was speechless and what sadness me is that you have not said one word regarding to what this topic is about, but you were too busy worry about what Cheri and Liebling said in their posts...

Edit Cduskey, please accept my apologize for going off-topic in your thread... I felt that I had to clear up some misunderstanding here....

 

[Angel]

grr I was trying to edit but time-up anyways I forgot to add after " This is why Cheri was speechless ".. because it shows that Rick support sign language 100%! "

 

[Liebling:-)))]

grr I was trying to edit but time-up anyways I forgot to add after " This is why Cheri was speechless ".. because it shows that Rick support sign language 100%! "

Oh I got it and understood!!!!...


Anyway, thank you for quoted some posts here about negative over sign language.

 

[Cheri]

That's correct Angel....

I'm not going to respond to Fuzzy's post because she's always looking for trouble.

 

[Cloggy]

grr I was trying to edit but time-up anyways I forgot to add after " This is why Cheri was speechless ".. because it shows that Rick support sign language 100%! "

Remember that not using sign language does not mean signlanguage is not considered valuable.
I speak for myself when I say that I find signlanguage beautiful, intreaging, convenient etc, BUT I don't use it any more. It is a language that is used so little that it fades away. The basic stays behind....

So when someone says "there is no need for sign", it means just that. The automatic conclusion that it means "sign is not valuable" is completely wrong.

This is why I, and I feel also Rick, Audiofuzzy, Neecy and other, can say something like that, but still believe sign is valuable.

Signlanguage is so "sacret" here, that any statement that can be interpreted in a negative way will be used to slap the posted on the ears.... Starting an avalanche of misinterpretation.

So go ove the list of statements again, and tell me....
..... do these statements say that sign-language is not valuable ??

 

[Cheri]

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This is why I, and I feel also Rick, Audiofuzzy, Neecy and other, can say something like that, but still believe sign is valuable.

Signlanguage is so "sacret" here, that any statement that can be interpreted in a negative way will be used to slap the posted on the ears.... Starting an avalanche of misinterpretation.??

Whatever Cloggy, Audiofuzzy never say anything positive about sign language from the day she joined All Deaf, It's always the negative about sign language, so don't tell me she believes sign is valuable.

I could pull up every post from the day she joined to presents the negatives about sign language.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

See? I am not only one who see Fuzzy's negative posts over sign language...

It's mature way to postive her misleading and negative posts without insult/bash/attack her.

 

[Angel]

So go ove the list of statements again, and tell me....
..... do these statements say that sign-language is not valuable ??

From reading these statement, yes some of it...

 

[Maria]

See? I am not only one who see Fuzzy's negative posts over sign language...

It's mature way to postive her misleading and negative posts without insult/bash/attack her.

Right, I agree. And, even Alex is the owner of this site - he created his own thread about a baby learnin' sign language. He never discouraged anyone from teachin' babies in sign language.

If, Fuzzy is negative about sign language, then what is she doin' in this AD for ? This is Alex' AD afterall.

 

[Angel]

Ya know people can still use the sign language just to use it for fun even if they aren't deaf or hard of hearing and don't need to use it, and learning any language is a good skill to have... I'll still teach those who think sign language is universal to understand that every language is unique so as sign language...The students in my children's classroom are not deaf but they are still taught sign language because in their lifetime, they will meet deaf people, and it would be soo nice to be able to communicate with them in their language and when deaf people come across someone who is willing to sign, they get so excited, It's just... a wonderful feelings....inside really...:smiling:


There are many reasons why sign language is valuable..

Who Else Uses Sign Language?

It is not just deaf and hard of hearing children who use sign language. Another large segment of sign language users is hearing nonverbal children who are nonverbal due to conditions such as down syndrome, autism, cerebral palsy, trauma, and brain disorders or speech disorders. For parents, sign language provides a means of quick communication, particularly for those whose attention spans may be very short or language very limited. Or it may be a tool for language development prior to developing spoken language. For children, it is a means of expressing themselves so that they are less frustrated.

Sign Language - Nonverbal Users


Isn't that awesome?....

 

[jillio]

What ever you do, do not stop using sign with your children. Likewise, why would you stop using the ci for son? Also are either or both of your children receiving spoken language therapy? Your questions are really personal ones that you and your husband are going to have to resolve.
Good luck,
Rick

Hmmmm......from the man who doesn't know sign and never used it with his own CI implanted child! :jaw:

It's a miralce! He's seen the light!

 

[jillio]

Why speechless? Rick was never against SL. nor Cloggy, nor me.

Fuzzy

 

[jillio]

You? You described sign language in negative way at some threads.

Agreed. Her support of sign is a recent development. She started saying that she supported speech and sign a few days ago. Go figure! Must have changed her mind!

 

[jillio]

Remember that not using sign language does not mean signlanguage is not considered valuable.
I speak for myself when I say that I find signlanguage beautiful, intreaging, convenient etc, BUT I don't use it any more. It is a language that is used so little that it fades away. The basic stays behind....

So when someone says "there is no need for sign", it means just that. The automatic conclusion that it means "sign is not valuable" is completely wrong.

This is why I, and I feel also Rick, Audiofuzzy, Neecy and other, can say something like that, but still believe sign is valuable.

Signlanguage is so "sacret" here, that any statement that can be interpreted in a negative way will be used to slap the posted on the ears.... Starting an avalanche of misinterpretation.

If it is considered to be a valuable tool, then one also includes it. Once only ceases to include the use of sign with a deaf child, when one decides it is no longer valuable. Perhaps you don't see the circular track your reasoning takes. Nor, obviously, do you see the ironly of a poster who has never used sign, never learned sign, and still does not know sign, nor use it with his own CI implanted daughter at this point in time, or any point in time, suddenly advocating for the use of sign. Particularly in light of the fact that he made a direct statement reagrding those who raised their children with the use of sign as taking "the easy way out".

 

[Cheri]

It's a miralce! He's seen the light!

Was it jillio's light?