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Jiro said:
Reba - BRAC = Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commission . . .
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That's what the acronym means, yes. There are various websites for each commission, depending on the time period.
 
Jiro said:
ha ha ha dammit I forgot. I guess I'll remove it... if he asks me to so hurry and read before I gotta remove it! :cool2:
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SHE will ask you to remove the link.
Please do and all others please remove all links in the quoted post as well.

Thank you kindly
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and do you have any idea what kind of hardship, difficulty, sacrifice, and COST of becoming doctors? oh and the constant stress of dooming malpractice lawsuit?

I'll break it down for you....

4+ years of college
2+ years of grad school
4+ years of med school
2+ years of residency (depending on profession)
total years to become a doctor: 12+ years
cost of becoming a doctor: most likely minimum of $200,000 (a VERY conservative amount) by the time he/she is a doctor
cost of having private practice: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
cost of training/certifications: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
cost of malpractice insurance: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

so no.... not all are being greedy.... it's just a sad reality of high expenses, paperwork, and hassles involved in medical field..... if you think 5 min check-up that costs like $150 is ludicrous.... think again about the sacrifice and cost the doctor has to put in to make it easier and cheaper for you.

If you don't want to spend $200,000+ to learn medical stuff.... and 12+ years to learn it... then stfu and pay your doctor :cool2:
 
Jiro said:
You're a German citizen simply working for US Army in Germany. You are basically nearly immuned (employment-wise) since you're protected by Germany's infamous union protection/law. Reba is not.
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Thanks but I'm not worried about my job. Hubby and I are retired military. :)
However, when I was still in the Naval Reserve, assigned to the regional command headquarters, I was involved with the BRAC process. I had to research and prepare a report about our local command that was submitted to the BRAC members. We also hosted VIP tours for the press, the BRAC members, and our state representatives.

Going thru a base closure is no picnic for the military and the local community.
 
Reba said:
Thanks but I'm not worried about my job. Hubby and I are retired military. :)
However, when I was still in the Naval Reserve, assigned to the regional command headquarters, I was involved with the BRAC process. I had to research and prepare a report about our local command that was submitted to the BRAC members. We also hosted VIP tours for the press, the BRAC members, and our state representatives.

Going thru a base closure is no picnic for the military and the local community.
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woopsie... should have said "WAS." I knew you're retired. :cool2:
 
I wonder what's Liebling making for supper..... :drool:
 
Jiro said:
ha ha ha dammit I forgot. I guess I'll remove it... if he asks me to so hurry and read before I gotta remove it! :cool2:
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Ever hear of a guy named BabyBlue? :lol:
 
Reba said:
I didn't ask about your experience.
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I never said that my own experience. I said I don't have any experience which mean is general... like myself, or collect from my friends, etc. like anything... until I learn something new from babyblue for a first time...

Just because it didn't happen to you or your command doesn't mean it didn't happen to many other people. You need to see the big picture, not just what happens in your little world.
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Excuse me, I know what I am saying because it's not about me but state in general what I know from my experience since you brought this subject "RIF" up in first place.

That is not what happens for everyone.

My neighbor recently got riffed. Yeah, they found him another position--70 miles away. Now he has to drive about 1.5 hours each way to work every day. Most of his other co-workers had to retire early or move out of state for "replacement" jobs. It's not so easy as you imply.
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Yes, I aware it because it also affect some of my co-workers as well but they keep it positive and keep saying how glad they are for not lost their job, no matter either how long they have to drive everyday.

That proves nothing. When I drive around military bases here and other locations in the state, I see lots of McCain stickers on cars, and signs posted in yards. When we talk to people, military and civilian, active and retired, black and white, they are strong McCain supporters. Especially the older black workers can't understand why there is so much support for Obama. Neither your group nor mine proves anything.
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I'm surprised that you didn't know there're links in several threads since last summer 2008 that there're high donation, Obama received from troops, generals, commander, etc. than McCain to help Obama with election and hope he win.

It doesn't mean over 100,000 or more soliders, I know and talk with, to support Obama. :roll:

Wow! I'm shocked! :shock: I thought you supported all American troops. Now I know the truth. That's very disappointing.

...And you work for our military? :cold:
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Your misinterpretion behavior remind me of McCain/Palin. You misquoted my post to make false statement because you should quoted my post full instead of few words... Nice try...

All? Do you mean over 100,000 troops? Where have I say that I have been talk and support ALL troops whom they support Obama? I said I support troops whom they want to vote Obama for reasons because I have been talk and know them. I haven't meet anyone who support McCain but if I did then I would show my respect and support on them for their reason why they vote McCain like what I did the same toward some ADers for want to vote McCain. Its about respect.

You tried to twist my post and make a false statement to dirt me because you know very well that I support ALL troops, NOT Iraq War. Don't try to mix my support for all troops with election because it has nothing do with election.

Nice try...

So, back to my original question.

You say that doctors are selfish and greedy because they expect to be paid for their skills and services.

My question: Are you selfish and greedy because you expect to be paid for your work? Do you care more about money than about American soldiers?
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:confused: *scratch my head*

Excuse me, your post make no sense because I'm only an employee, not businesswoman as a doctor. :shrug:

The doctor charge high bill to their patients... Accord some ADers' - they charged her for take her child to ER for few minutes examination cost $300... other ADer for few minutes examination - $400... other ADer's dental cost $850... if ADer have insurance then gain to over $950... I remember their posts from several threads in the past. I do feel that doctor don't care about patient's life but money... that's why Obama provide healthcare for all Americans... until you said that doctors would leave if Obama win at election show that they are selfish and greedy...
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Jiro said:
You're a German citizen simply working for US Army in Germany. You are basically nearly immuned (employment-wise) since you're protected by Germany's infamous union protection/law. Reba is not.
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Actually, I'm LN employee and have German protection law but US Government is my employer... I follow US Government's rule because I work for US Government.

Get it?
 
Reba said:
BRAC closed many military bases, including the Naval Base and Shipyard at Charleston, SC, during President Clinton's administration. By 1997, the Department of Defense had reduced total active duty military end strength by 32 percent.

I've lived through 11 presidents, Democratic and Republican, since 1951. I served in the Navy under 6 presidents, Democratic and Republican. I live in a community with a Naval, Coast Guard, and Air Force bases. I know that no military facility is safe from closing or downsizing.
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We agree that it should on both Democratic and Republician who closed the military bases in America and oversea, not blame just Democratic.
 
Jiro said:
and do you have any idea what kind of hardship, difficulty, sacrifice, and COST of becoming doctors? oh and the constant stress of dooming malpractice lawsuit?

I'll break it down for you....

4+ years of college
2+ years of grad school
4+ years of med school
2+ years of residency (depending on profession)
total years to become a doctor: 12+ years
cost of becoming a doctor: most likely minimum of $200,000 (a VERY conservative amount) by the time he/she is a doctor
cost of having private practice: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
cost of training/certifications: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
cost of malpractice insurance: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

so no.... not all are being greedy.... it's just a sad reality of high expenses, paperwork, and hassles involved in medical field..... if you think 5 min check-up that costs like $150 is ludicrous.... think again about the sacrifice and cost the doctor has to put in to make it easier and cheaper for you.

If you don't want to spend $200,000+ to learn medical stuff.... and 12+ years to learn it... then stfu and pay your doctor :cool2:
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Are you saying that Americans are number one in world who work hard to study to become doctors, specialist, etc?

OR

Are you saying that American doctors are complaint because they study for years for nothing?

No, there're many people who motivate to become doctors, specialist, etc because they want to help the sick people, not for money and powerful. I never heard that the people study to become doctor for money and powerful... :dunno2:
 
Reba said:
In August 2001, Bill Ayers himself said, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country."

He was accused, went on the run for 10 years, and by the time they caught him the authorities had to drop the charges on legal technicalities. Ayers never denied the things that he did, and he never repented of them.
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The charges were dropped against Ayers in 1973. The Weather Underground was founded in 1969. In 1980, his wife turned herself in on the old charges and was fined $1,500.00. That would be 39, 35, and 28 years ago respectively.

His first arrest came for a sit-in at a local draft board, resulting in 10 days in jail. His first teaching job came shortly afterward at the Children's Community School, a preschool with a very small enrollment operating in a church basement, founded by a group of students in emulation of the Summerhill method of education.

Ayers later wrote in his memoir, Fugitive Days, that his reaction was: "You could not be a moral person with the means to act, and stand still. To stand still was to choose indifference. Indifference was the opposite of moral". In1965, Ayers joined a picket line protesting an Ann Arbor, Michigan, pizzeria for refusing to seat African Americans.

Today, in 2008, Ayers is a college professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois Chicago, and holds the titles "Distinguished Professor" and Senior University Scholar. He continues to be active in the fight for educational reform that will provide equal educational opportunities for the underpriviledged children in this nation.

Sounds like an activist to be sure, but since when has activist been the same as terrortist?
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Are you saying that Americans are number one in world who work hard to study to become doctors, specialist, etc?

OR

Are you saying that American doctors are complaint because they study for years for nothing?

No, there're many people who motivate to become doctors, specialist, etc because they want to help the sick people, not for money and powerful. I never heard that the people study to become doctor for money and powerful... :dunno2:
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That is true but Jiro is right. My cousin is in her internship to become a doctor and she paid her own way through from her first year of college all the way to her internship. When she graduates with her M.D., she will be in serious debt and for her to be able to afford a house and all the necessities she needs to earn at least 100K a year. She is not doing it for the power and wealth...but because she has a passion for caring for sick and injured people.

Sure, there are some people who are in it for the money and power but a few cuz medical school is extremely tough and one has to have a passion for that field to make it through or so I was told.
 
shel90 said:
That is true but Jiro is right. My cousin is in her internship to become a doctor and she paid her own way through from her first year of college all the way to her internship. When she graduates with her M.D., she will be in serious debt and for her to be able to afford a house and all the necessities she needs to earn at least 100K a year. She is not doing it for the power and wealth...but because she has a passion for caring for sick and injured people.

Sure, there are some people who are in it for the money and power but a few cuz medical school is extremely tough and one has to have a passion for that field to make it through or so I was told.
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Your cousin is approaching it from the proper perspective....a passion to care for the sick and injured. While the first few years after med school are strained due to financial issues related to obtaining that medical degree, the ones that are patient centered like your cousin don't complain of that hardship. They realize that it was a part of their desire to become a doctor, and they accept it is part of it. The ones that complain about the expense tied to becoming a doctor are usually the ones that are already in an established practice, making $250,000 and up a year, and have paid off their educational expense long ago. These are also the ones that are far more business oriented and concerned with how practicing medicine benefits them personally rather than understanding that health care is a service field and the primary purpose it to serve people, not make huge amounts of money. And, unfortunately, there are far too many of the second type out there.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Are you saying that Americans are number one in world who work hard to study to become doctors, specialist, etc?

OR

Are you saying that American doctors are complaint because they study for years for nothing?

No, there're many people who motivate to become doctors, specialist, etc because they want to help the sick people, not for money and powerful. I never heard that the people study to become doctor for money and powerful... :dunno2:
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no...... You failed to see my simple point. You complained that (American) doctors only care about money. I simply explained why is it "like that" but it's not what you think. I already explained the cost of becoming doctor and what it takes. American doctors study for years and it costs tremendous amount of money and sacrifice for that. Don't they deserve to be compensated for it? It's a powerful incentive for them to put in sacrifice, time, and cost to become a good doctor. Socialist-type health care way is not a great incentive.
 
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