World Slaughter House

PuyoPiyo said:
Well if you think the vegetarian animals didn't show us the love, then why my vegetarian guinea pig always tucking herself on my neck and wouldn't run away from her own cage, why did she always cooing when I pet her?
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Your guinea pig is NOT raised as a meat animal; she is your personal PET. Your pet responds to your attention. A herd of cows doesn't recognize you, doesn't care about you. You and the cows never meet, never have any interaction.

BTW, it's not just "vegetarian" animals who are lovable pets. Non-vegetarian animals, like dogs, make loyal companions, too. :)

... I want to ask why did some of meat eaters want to kill us instead of being friendly to us? Lions, sharks, tigers, etc for example? So this is not true, not all of vegetarian animals that doesn't show us the love.
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Animals operate on instinct, trained responses, and need.
 
Reba said:
Your guinea pig is NOT raised as a meat animal; she is your personal PET. Your pet responds to your attention. A herd of cows doesn't recognize you, doesn't care about you. You and the cows never meet, never have any interaction.

BTW, it's not just "vegetarian" animals who are lovable pets. Non-vegetarian animals, like dogs, make loyal companions, too. :)
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Yupp animals are the varies. Some animals simple ignore the people as well, I am with you on this one. :)


Animals operate on instinct, trained responses, and need.
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Yupp they do it for surivival ;)
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Well it sounds like you are totally disrespectful to the vegetarian/vegans but just begging them to eat the meat while they don't have to. It makes me feel like you are a disgust person who trying to make people to eat such a gore violence foods. I never see any vegetarian/vegans in person that would actually force other meat eaters to quit eating the meat, so please quit getting pissing off about the vegetarian/vegans.

Please change your script "I love vegetarians, more meat for you" and we can laugh you and considering you as a sick person.






Well if you think the vegetarian animals didn't show us the love, then why my vegetarian guinea pig always tucking herself on my neck and wouldn't run away from her own cage, why did she always cooing when I pet her?

And what's more, the reason why the cow didn't hoot for us is because that cow was threaten so badly by farms so that cow have no heart and live that way. I want to ask why did some of meat eaters want to kill us instead of being friendly to us? Lions, sharks, tigers, etc for example? So this is not true, not all of vegetarian animals that doesn't show us the love.
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It's not new, she is used to argue with me about CI issue since she's pro to implant on babies and todlers.
 
Pacman said:
It's not new, she is used to argue with me about CI issue since she's pro to implant on babies and todlers.
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Yeah Liebling told me the same thing, she did the same thing to Liebling too. *sigh*... I am total against implant on the babies 'n' todlers too..

Pacman said:
then nevermind.

Puyo is just explain so clearly and check her post out below.

Last sentence is just joke, sense of humor. :)
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"She"? Who's she? Me? It's he ;)
 
It's called the food chain people. Man has hunted and eaten animals since the begining of time. It's nature. Even the animals hunt and eat other animals. Some animals even eat humans. Humans are meerly another form of animal. Survival of the fittest. This is the course of nature and will never be stopped. It's needed on many levels for many reasons.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yeah Liebling told me the same thing, she did the same thing to Liebling too. *sigh*... I am total against implant on the babies 'n' todlers too..



"She"? Who's she? Me? It's he ;)
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Oop, my bad...
 
I am surprised that Reba has a beautiful black cat on her picture (her aviator). I bet that she loves her cat. Isn't her cat animal? Does she comes to you when you call her?

You are right one thing about cows... and horses. They don't give a damn about us except giving them the food that make them happy. It is the same idea for teenagers (i.e. 14 years old or older) who do not give a shit about their mother who works hard to provide them. The teenagers rather like to come to their mother if she feed them a lot. Am I right? (Sorry, I say the nasty word, but that's what the teenagers say in their mind.)
 
webexplorer said:
I am surprised that Reba has a beautiful black cat on her picture (her aviator). I bet that she loves her cat. Isn't her cat animal? Does she comes to you when you call her?
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Yes, I loved my black Oriental Ninja kitty. Sometimes he came when called; he had an independent attitude. :) He is deceased now, and buried in my backyard.

You are right one thing about cows... and horses. They don't give a damn about us except giving them the food that make them happy.
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Actually, dairy cows on small farms respond to the farmer's call, and horses can make a connection with their riders. It's mostly beef cattle herds, hogs, etc., that I'm referring to that aren't interested in humans.


It is the same idea for teenagers (i.e. 14 years old or older) who do not give a shit about their mother who works hard to provide them. The teenagers rather like to come to their mother if she feed them a lot. Am I right? (Sorry, I say the nasty word, but that's what the teenagers say in their mind.)
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Normally, that's a temporary phase until the teen matures.
 
Well it sounds like you are totally disrespectful to the vegetarian/vegans but just begging them to eat the meat while they don't have to. It makes me feel like you are a disgust person who trying to make people to eat such a gore violence foods. I never see any vegetarian/vegans in person that would actually force other meat eaters to quit eating the meat, so please quit getting pissing off about the vegetarian/vegans.
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First of all - I am not disrespectful to vegetatians and vegans and whatever. I respect them all right.

I am simply pointing out the holes and disrepancies in your arguments.

I already told you as long as you do not try to convince me you are right and I am wrong I have no problem with anyone not wanting to eat meat.

Likewise, I believe in "live and let live" - so I am certainly NOT forcing anyone to eat meat.
once again, I merely point out the inconsistencies in one's arguments.
It has nothing do to with me being meat eater or vegetarian.

It's just - when you start defending your point of view - have your arguments accurate and scientific.

Don't tell me things "like pets have feelings" -
do you actually have scientific PROOF of it? Don't tell me plant food is all the human needs either,
because the scientific findings while sometimes contradict themselves have a few things agreed on - for example that meat is the best source of Iron hands off,

Iron in non-meat foods is called non-heme iron. Vegetarians should eat dark green leafy vegetables, broccoli, legumes, yeast leavened whole grain breads, iron-enriched pasta, rice and cereal and meat analogs which are high in iron. Unfortunately, the iron in these foods is not as absorbable as the iron in meat.
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Iron & Anemia - Ask the Dietitian

Best sources of iron

plants have some things that meat doesn't and meat have some things that plants don't. That is why is smart to eat balanced meal of both. (and more)


What does my example of ""one rabbit vs a bucket of berries"" tells you?

Because it tells me that, clearly, a meat is more nutritous and better for survival for us humans than plants.
Imagine trying to gather as much proteins from plants alone for yourself while gathering food in winter.

Please keep in mind that you will digest less Iron from plant than you will digest from meat.

So, you will need much more beans than rabbits to get the same amount of Iron to keep you healthy.
Try to get enough beans in a few long months of winter.

To me it all means - meat is very important to humans, hands off.


It is all fine and dandy to be vegetarian nowadays with stores full of fancy products made specifically for you. but without it...

What if you have but a tiny plot of earth to cultivate, and a droughts year after year.

That's reality. look at poor countries.

As for other comments -about infant CI, Liebling - well, some people like to discuss without fully understanding the whole background of things.

I am not saying I know everything because I don't. But I usually don't discuss things I am not familiar with.



Fuzzy
 
Pacman said:
Oop, my bad...
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Nah it's okay ;)

Audiofuzzy said:
First of all - I am not disrespectful to vegetatians and vegans and whatever. I respect them all right.

I am simply pointing out the holes and disrepancies in your arguments.

I already told you as long as you do not try to convince me you are right and I am wrong I have no problem with anyone not wanting to eat meat.

Likewise, I believe in "live and let live" - so I am certainly NOT forcing anyone to eat meat.
once again, I merely point out the inconsistencies in one's arguments.
It has nothing do to with me being meat eater or vegetarian.

It's just - when you start defending your point of view - have your arguments accurate and scientific.

Don't tell me things "like pets have feelings" -
do you actually have scientific PROOF of it? Don't tell me plant food is all the human needs either,
because the scientific findings while sometimes contradict themselves have a few things agreed on - for example that meat is the best source of Iron hands off,


Iron & Anemia - Ask the Dietitian

Best sources of iron

plants have some things that meat doesn't and meat have some things that plants don't. That is why is smart to eat balanced meal of both. (and more)


What does my example of ""one rabbit vs a bucket of berries"" tells you?

Because it tells me that, clearly, a meat is more nutritous and better for survival for us humans than plants.
Imagine trying to gather as much proteins from plants alone for yourself while gathering food in winter.

Please keep in mind that you will digest less Iron from plant than you will digest from meat.

So, you will need much more beans than rabbits to get the same amount of Iron to keep you healthy.
Try to get enough beans in a few long months of winter.

To me it all means - meat is very important to humans, hands off.


It is all fine and dandy to be vegetarian nowadays with stores full of fancy products made specifically for you. but without it...

What if you have but a tiny plot of earth to cultivate, and a droughts year after year.

That's reality. look at poor countries.

As for other comments -about infant CI, Liebling - well, some people like to discuss without fully understanding the whole background of things.

I am not saying I know everything because I don't. But I usually don't discuss things I am not familiar with.



Fuzzy
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Hmm.. About the iron, I just learned from Reba at the Health Quiz threads at the Health section created by Liebling that men doesn't need to worry about the iron much like the women because men does not lose the blood much like the women do. So I think I do eat enough iron myself. Thank you for advice..

Sorry shorty reply to your big post.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Hmm.. About the iron, I just learned from Reba at the Health Quiz threads at the Health section created by Liebling that men doesn't need to worry about the iron much like the women because men does not lose the blood much like the women do. So I think I do eat enough iron myself....
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Remember, check with your own doctor if you're in doubt or if you experience any physical problems. :)
 
men doesn't need to worry about the iron much like the women because men does not lose the blood much like the women do. So I think I do eat enough iron myself.
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There is some point to it, but just because you are a man does not mean you are absolutely safe from Iron deficiency.

Men still can get anemia, too. Altough it's true more women than men have it.

Of course if you are feeling well, have lots of energy and are not pale you probably have enough Iron.




Fuzzy
 
Reba said:
Remember, check with your own doctor if you're in doubt or if you experience any physical problems. :)
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Yupp Yupp I do remember :)

Audiofuzzy said:
There is some point to it, but just because you are a man does not mean you are absolutely safe from Iron deficiency.

Men still can get anemia, too. Altough it's true more women than men have it.

Of course if you are feeling well, have lots of energy and are not pale you probably have enough Iron.




Fuzzy
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I know that, I still need eat something that are iron. I ate alot of cereal about two-three times a day, but during those days I usually ate two bowls of cereal with soy milk. Never a regular milk. I am enjoying whatever I like to eat.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yes they do. If they don't love us, then....
why one of your dog run to you when you come back to home?
Why that dog barking at you all the way to express how that dog miss you? See that dog's tail wagging as exicting to see you?
Why did that dog pesting you to patting, holding, loving that dog?
Once you push that dog away, why did that dog have frown face?
Once you got mad at that dog, why did that dog have the qulity look?
Once you told that dog to sit down, why did that dog do it?

Animals do have feelings too.
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Exactly!!! I know what kind of feeling, animals have. I myself have 4 cats and know their personality and feeling, also expression, too.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
It's just - when you start defending your point of view - have your arguments accurate and scientific.

Don't tell me things "like pets have feelings" -
do you actually have scientific PROOF of it?
Fuzzy
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Is it forbid to tell you about our knowledge over the pets' feeling?

Is it important to hear scientific proof's side than your own feeling and mind from see your own pets' feeling?

I have several links about animal's feeling in my other thread. (Keep your mind, it's not religious, I am referring to but feeling and mind.)
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/42181-do-animal-have-soul.html
 
Is it forbid to tell you about our knowledge over the pets' feeling?
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It's not forbidden to tell what you FEEL, and if you feel animals have feelings is OK with me, but....

... but to be able to state matter of factly "Animals do have feelings" you need scientific proof. show me the proof, and I will believe you.

How do you measure feelings, anyway?


I do believe that to SOME POINT animals do have feelings but they are not the same as human feelings.
It's always wrong and inappropriate to assume animals are the same as humans. It's called anthropomorphism.


Even if animals have feelings, and I believe they have some ("believe", not "know"), but only some and certain. I think they can feel fear, maybe happiness. maybe (probably) sadness.
they don't posses compassion for example.

The lions, they may kill the cubs of another pride to ensure they will have more food for their own pride.
And they will surely kill cubs of any other cats, and the adult cats as well that is competition to them.

The cat mother is known to kill their own offspring if they do not want them. Same with dogs. same mice.
Some herbivores don't give a damn about their newborns as well.

If an animal is injured, it's rejected from the group and either is killed by it's peers or dies from starvation.

It's called survival and there is no place for nicey-nicey.

So I doubt very much an animal who's going to be killed for food is aware it's gonna die.
They way they behave- it's an involuntary reflex they are born with that tells them they are in etxreme danger and knee-jerk response is- fight or flight.

It's not pretty, I know.


Fuzzy





Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
The cat mother is known to kill their own offspring if they do not want them. Same with dogs. same mice.
Some herbivores don't give a damn about their newborns as well.
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Um not quite true, males sometimes destroy kittens which may have been fathered by another male, they prefer their own genetic interests and some kittens born at a bad time of year early spring/late fall/winter in the wild state, have a poor chance of survival due to lack of prey and some may tolerate kittens which are not their own or may feel threatened...I helped my son with a school project a couple of years ago about cats ( lions, tigers, tomcats, and many more ), so I know more about the facts of why they killed own offsprings, not because they do not want them, there are many reasons why they did it....

ALL animals have feelings, humans do too, and some parents do kill their own children, so theres no difference in this....
 
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