World Slaughter House

[Buffalo]

That is why I am vegetarian. If I can't kill animals myself then I shouldn't eat meat. I would feel hypocritical if I eat meats.

 

[Hwy99]

That is why I am vegetarian. If I can't kill animals myself then I shouldn't eat meat. I would feel hypocritical if I eat meats.

Exactly! That's why it is hard for meat eaters to answer my question "Would you kill your pet for your dinner tonight?".

 

[Reba]

Exactly! That's why it is hard for meat eaters to answer my question "Would you kill your pet for your dinner tonight?".

I don't recall you asking that question before.

Anyway, why should I kill a pet for dinner when meat is available at the grocery store? I also don't tear up the grass from my lawn to eat because I can get produce from the grocery store.

 

[Hwy99]

I don't recall you asking that question before.

Anyway, why should I kill a pet for dinner when meat is available at the grocery store? I also don't tear up the grass from my lawn to eat because I can get produce from the grocery store.

Well I asked that question to my family mostly.. Anyway, it seems like you are accept of killing the animals while you keep your pets and buy the meats from food store.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Ok then answer this - would you let your child die if it needed meat to live? only meat?

for example you are lost in the wild. is winter. there is no suitable plant food to survive. and plenty of cutest white rabbits hopping about.
and your child is about to die from starvation.

Fuzzy

 

[dreama]

Ok then answer this - would you let your child die if it needed meat to live? only meat?

No child needs meat. That's a complete myth.

I'm at a complete loss as why you think I didn't answer your question

 

[Hwy99]

Ok then answer this - would you let your child die if it needed meat to live? only meat?

for example you are lost in the wild. is winter. there is no suitable plant food to survive. and plenty of cutest white rabbits hopping about.
and your child is about to die from starvation.

Fuzzy

As my past posts, I already said if I was lost in the desert of nowhere and only have the meat, then I would. I only see the meat as surivival, not enjoying as dinner as rude, my opinion.

 

[dreama]

I don't know. Where is this free range for all the domestic animals?

I was refering to 'free range' animals that are alowed to roam outdoors as apposed to factory farmed meat.

Wild animals always generally look after themselves.

Farm animal sancturies already exist. They are currently funded on a charity bases. But then the government does provide a lot of money for farmers anyway so some of that money could be put towards helping the animal sancturies. After all the problem has only arrision from our greed of wanting cheap meat 3 times a day.

Certainly not the farmers and ranchers. They either will be converting their land for crop growing, or they will become bankrupt because they've lost their means of income.

Often they get bankcropt anyway as meat production is not very cost affective even with new cruel farming methods to save money.

Who, pray tell, would pay for that? Do you know how much that would cost? Remember, the bigger the animal, the more it costs. It will cost a lot more than neutering dogs

If you want to eat animal corpses you should at least be willing to pay the FULL cost of humane animal husbandry. That means alowing them to express natural animal behavior, no routine drug use, and only having them spayed or neutered under anesthetic. In other words farm animals should be kept to the same standards as 'pet' animals and if someone had their dog neutered without the use of anesthetics the person would be done for animal cruelty. Also if they were left covered in sores or in filthy conditions which is often the case with factory farming.

Of course I'm vegan so I don't really aprove of meat, but I do think that if you ARE going to eat meat you should at least have to pay the proper price for the animals up keep.

 

[Foxrac]

No child needs meat. That's a complete myth.

I'm at a complete loss as why you think I didn't answer your question

Most children in USA are eat meats everyday, though.

 

[webexplorer]

Most children in USA are eat meats everyday, though.

I heard a lot of animals crying from a slaughter factory - even without my hearing aid on. Poor animals. They love you, but eating their body that they do not understand.

 

[Reba]

I was refering to 'free range' animals that are alowed to roam outdoors as apposed to factory farmed meat.

If all raising of animals for meat were outlawed tomorrow, where would all the domestic farm animals go, free range or not?

Wild animals always generally look after themselves.

Without hunters, the deer population would begin a cycle of population explosion, and then starvation. Ducks and geese would overwhelm public fresh water areas. (I've already seen it happen on a small scale in our local protected areas.)

Farm animal sancturies already exist.

Are they big enough to handle ALL the animals?

They are currently funded on a charity bases. But then the government does provide a lot of money for farmers anyway so some of that money could be put towards helping the animal sancturies.

Government farm subsidies are not provided for charitable reasons but for economic control reasons. The money is for the farmer, not the animals. If anything, the government would have to provide subsidies for the farmers to convert their land from animal support to growing people crops.

After all the problem has only arrision from our greed of wanting cheap meat 3 times a day.

Wow, that's a generality!

Personally, I've never eaten meat three times a day, and rarely even twice a day.

Why is it "greed" to want affordable food for yourself and your family?

Often they get bankcropt anyway as meat production is not very cost affective even with new cruel farming methods to save money.

That's really convoluted logic, and absolutely not a solution.

If you want to eat animal corpses you should at least be willing to pay the FULL cost of humane animal husbandry. That means alowing them to express natural animal behavior, no routine drug use, and only having them spayed or neutered under anesthetic. In other words farm animals should be kept to the same standards as 'pet' animals and if someone had their dog neutered without the use of anesthetics the person would be done for animal cruelty. Also if they were left covered in sores or in filthy conditions which is often the case with factory farming.

I thought we were discussing a scenario of all meat production being shut down. If that's the case, then all the animals would be set free with no one responsible for taking care of them, just like wild animals. They wouldn't be the equivalent to "pets". They wouldn't be "kept" in any kind of standards because they would be "free".

BTW, on a technical note, with cattle you need only castrate the male animals; you don't need to "spay" the females. Castration is a less invasive procedure than spaying.

 

[Reba]

...They love you, but eating their body that they do not understand.

Meat animals don't "love" us, and they don't "know" that they will be eaten by people. They don't stand around worrying about that or discussing it with each other.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

No child needs meat. That's a complete myth.

Again, you've missed my entire point which was- what would you do if during winter you were lost and your child was dying of hunger, and the only food available was meat? would you let your child starve to death or would you save her or him by killing an animal for food?

I'm at a complete loss as why you think I didn't answer your question

Ok, I might have not been very clear. You challenged me by asking:

Have you never heard of spaying or neutering animals whose numbers are increasing too rapidly?

I replied:

Yes I've heard of castration. A lot of people feel it's inhuman, and unafir for animals. They consider it a barbarian act of cruelty.

may I add it was before Reba mentioned about bulls castrated. I had in mind castration WITH anesthesia.

and YOU replied:

And killing them isn't

We were finished talking about animals being killed at this point.
We moved onto castration. I asked you how do you justify castrating animals. Not in exact words, of course, but that was the point of what I wrote then.

Some people think it's inhumane, cruel and offensive, unneccessary interference in nature.
Why save animals only to mutilate them?
Don't you think if we should leave animals to their own, we should leave them alone completely?
or, in other words- don't animals have rights to decide about their own fate which considers breeding as well?

I didn't ask you whether killing is cruel, I asked HOW do you, Dreama, JUSTIFY it?


To Puyo Piyo:

As my past posts, I already said if I was lost in the desert of nowhere and only have the meat, then I would.

Right, I forgot that, sorry.
Will you let me challenge you further?
Would you kill your beloved pet if your child's life depended on it?

Fuzzy

 

[Hwy99]

Meat animals don't "love" us, and they don't "know" that they will be eaten by people. They don't stand around worrying about that or discussing it with each other.

Yes they do. If they don't love us, then....
why one of your dog run to you when you come back to home?
Why that dog barking at you all the way to express how that dog miss you? See that dog's tail wagging as exicting to see you?
Why did that dog pesting you to patting, holding, loving that dog?
Once you push that dog away, why did that dog have frown face?
Once you got mad at that dog, why did that dog have the qulity look?
Once you told that dog to sit down, why did that dog do it?

Animals do have feelings too.

 

[Hwy99]

To Puyo Piyo:


Right, I forgot that, sorry.
Will you let me challenge you further?
Would you kill your beloved pet if your child's life depended on it?

Fuzzy

Well it sounds you are just trying to make me wrong, I already stats that I only see the meat as surivival, not as having a good dinner for pleasure of taste, which are rude to the true nature (my opinion).

So yes, I will kill my pet for my child just if I have to. If there is meats at the food store that I can buy, why should I kill my pet? That is exactly what Reba said.

Sorry we are not dogs that would eat more meats mindlessly, sorry we are not T-Rex which roars and run for the meats into cruelity action, sorry we are not sharks that bite things that aren't really our meats, we are just the humans and we are different than them, plus we are unnecessary eat the meat all the times ourselves.

 

[Reba]

Yes they do. If they don't love us, then....
why one of your dog run to you when you come back to home?
Why that dog barking at you all the way to express how that dog miss you? See that dog's tail wagging as exicting to see you?
Why did that dog pesting you to patting, holding, loving that dog?
Once you push that dog away, why did that dog have frown face?
Once you got mad at that dog, why did that dog have the qulity look?
Once you told that dog to sit down, why did that dog do it?

Animals do have feelings too.

Notice I said "meat animals", not pets.

A herd of cows doesn't care one hoot about you or me.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Well it sounds you are just trying to make me wrong,

no, I am just trying to show how in certain circumstances even the most dedicated vegan would be forced to eat meat.
And a bit of meat would go much farther than a bucket of berries in a harsh situation.

Creating a good nutritious vegeterian meal takes a lot more than creating one with meat. The above example just illustrates how much easier to get, and more nutritious is meat.

A herd of cows doesn't care one hoot about you or me.

that is right.


Fuzzy

 

[Foxrac]

Notice I said "meat animals", not pets.

A herd of cows doesn't care one hoot about you or me.

Oh, Reba and don't forgot to check in your backyard.

Pets are part of animal, also would be idiot if anyone want kill dogs or cats for meat, not just for you.

I know that you won't, never happen.

I can see that one doll is crying at you, I guess that they love you.

 

[Reba]

Oh, Reba and don't forgot to check in your backyard.

Pets are part of animal, also would be idiot if anyone want kill dogs or cats for meat, not just for you.

I know that you won't, never happen.

I can see that one doll is crying at you, I guess that they love you.

 

[Hwy99]

no, I am just trying to show how in certain circumstances even the most dedicated vegan would be forced to eat meat.
And a bit of meat would go much farther than a bucket of berries in a harsh situation.

Creating a good nutritious vegeterian meal takes a lot more than creating one with meat. The above example just illustrates how much easier to get, and more nutritious is meat.

Well it sounds like you are totally disrespectful to the vegetarian/vegans but just begging them to eat the meat while they don't have to. It makes me feel like you are a disgust person who trying to make people to eat such a gore violence foods. I never see any vegetarian/vegans in person that would actually force other meat eaters to quit eating the meat, so please quit getting pissing off about the vegetarian/vegans.

Please change your script "I love vegetarians, more meat for you" and we can laugh you and considering you as a sick person.

that is right.


Fuzzy

Notice I said "meat animals", not pets.

A herd of cows doesn't care one hoot about you or me.

Well if you think the vegetarian animals didn't show us the love, then why my vegetarian guinea pig always tucking herself on my neck and wouldn't run away from her own cage, why did she always cooing when I pet her?

And what's more, the reason why the cow didn't hoot for us is because that cow was threaten so badly by farms so that cow have no heart and live that way. I want to ask why did some of meat eaters want to kill us instead of being friendly to us? Lions, sharks, tigers, etc for example? So this is not true, not all of vegetarian animals that doesn't show us the love.