Wife Who Killed Preacher Set Free

i can see that you have failed two things --

1) detecting sarcasm in my posts
2) reading comprehension
 
Gamer12 said:
i can see that you have failed two things --

1) detecting sarcasm in my posts
2) reading comprehension
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I wasn't there at the crime scene.

I didn't say you were wrong or right.

All I said was she need to go to jail cause she killed a human being...
self defense or not.

And yes it is wrong to kill someone.

And I was saying that the Law is stupid and our Legal system sucks.

And yes people feel sorry for women... because women went
through so much... and it is yall men fault for being so aggressive
toward women in the first place.

And all your hate toward women only make things worst.

Why not find you a sweet woman who will kiss your feet and
prove to everyone that you're a GENTLEMAN.

I met a BEAUTIFUL WOMAN.... she is so sweet...
I was surprise, I thought she was going to be mean...
But she isn't. She was so beautiful inside and outside...
And when I went to somewhere I ain't suppose to, she
got so concerned...
She doesn't have a boyfriend cause she doesn't want to be hurt...
Her ex boyfriend cheated on her. He got another woman pregnant.
And she isn't a bitch at all.

Maybe you need to find someone like that...
I met her at Paris.... maybe you should go to Paris and find girls out there.
 
jillio said:
And so is continual abuse at the hands of a husband. His abuse of her created the situation that led to his murder. That doesn't mean it was the "right thing" to do, but it obviously was the only option she saw that was available to her to stop the abusive treatment.
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Yer wrong about this. Divorce is other way to stop this. When her husband continues abusive.. then all she can do is be patient and be nice and do what husband says or wish until he is gone for the day then she call cop to come over to protect her while she can get her things and move out and then have the court and police take care between them. This is a way to get out so everyone would be still alive. Men might abuse because of his past history as a child from parents or bullies or whatever. There's always reason why they act like this. This woman stayed and decided to kill her husband thinking it is only way to stop this that is bad choice and a man has died and will never see his kids' future at all. Abusive people can change after getting help. Like for example people at church ... they had bad past and they asked for forgiveness from God and had a new life changed. So people can change.
 
ZiNg31 said:
Yer wrong about this. Divorce is other way to stop this. When her husband continues abusive.. then all she can do is be patient and be nice and do what husband says or wish until he is gone for the day then she call cop to come over to protect her while she can get her things and move out and then have the court and police take care between them. This is a way to get out so everyone would be still alive. Men might abuse because of his past history as a child from parents or bullies or whatever. There's always reason why they act like this. This woman stayed and decided to kill her husband thinking it is only way to stop this that is bad choice and a man has died and will never see his kids' future at all. Abusive people can change after getting help. Like for example people at church ... they had bad past and they asked for forgiveness from God and had a new life changed. So people can change.
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some people don't want to divorce. I think she loved him too much
to let him go. maybe he was going to leave her.
 
Gamer12 said:
Yes, you can come up with logical solutions when you are in a logical frame of mind. Unfortunately, there is a syndrome known as "Battered Woman Syndrome" and fear combined with constant abuse and degradation results in an inability to think clearly and logically, the same as with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. Unless you have been in an abusive situation for an extended period of time, it is difficult to imagine the mental anguish these women go through. It is very easy to sit on the other side and say, "She should have just left!"

i've heard, studied and read about it but still. what if the situation were reversed? i'm fairly certain that preacher will be prosecuted to the fullest extend. 30 years to lifetime at least.

In addition, many women who end up in abusive relationships come from an abusive family, and their self exteem is so low that they actually believe that they are responsible for being abused.....that they deserve to be beaten and humiliated.

there is no argument from me about that.
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Those are the mitigating arguments that the court takes into consideration when they render a decision.

We don't know what would have happened if the situation was reversed.
 
ZiNg31 said:
Yer wrong about this. Divorce is other way to stop this. When her husband continues abusive.. then all she can do is be patient and be nice and do what husband says or wish until he is gone for the day then she call cop to come over to protect her while she can get her things and move out and then have the court and police take care between them. This is a way to get out so everyone would be still alive. Men might abuse because of his past history as a child from parents or bullies or whatever. There's always reason why they act like this. This woman stayed and decided to kill her husband thinking it is only way to stop this that is bad choice and a man has died and will never see his kids' future at all. Abusive people can change after getting help. Like for example people at church ... they had bad past and they asked for forgiveness from God and had a new life changed. So people can change.
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First of all, how do you know what state of mind the abused woman was in. Perhaps she had been threatened that if she left, he would destroy her, take her children, etc. etc. Police cannot be there 24/7 to protect you, nor are they willing to in a domestic case. And yes, people can change, but only if they want to. If he was getting away with the abuse while maintaining a high profile in the community and his church, there was no motivation for him to change. And, if religion is the answer, why didn't God change him? He was a preacher!
 
jillio said:
First of all, how do you know what state of mind the abused woman was in. Perhaps she had been threatened that if she left, he would destroy her, take her children, etc. etc. Police cannot be there 24/7 to protect you, nor are they willing to in a domestic case. And yes, people can change, but only if they want to. If he was getting away with the abuse while maintaining a high profile in the community and his church, there was no motivation for him to change. And, if religion is the answer, why didn't God change him? He was a preacher!
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We have women shelters. Hide women and kids from dangerous men.
 
Deafilmedia said:
We have women shelters. Hide women and kids from dangerous men.
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Yes, we do. And for those shelters to be effective, the location has tobe kept secret in order for the abusing man not to find his wife and children. Now think about this for a minute. Many of those referrals to shelters come from churches. Therefore, church officials would be privy to the location. Her husband was a preacher. Get it?
 
there was another story from the other side --

Patricia Winkler took the stand Monday in a crowded courtroom. When the prosecutor asked the girl to state her name and birthdate, she looked over at her mother, Mary Winkler, and began sobbing.

Patricia testified he was a good father and she never saw him mistreat her mother. Later, under questioning from a defense attorney, the girl burst into tears after trying to explain why — after one visit — she stopped seeing her mother following Mary Winkler's release from jail.

"Because I didn't want to see her," Patricia said. After a long pause she added, "Well, I mean, I still love her," and started crying again, burying her face in her hands. Mary Winkler and several members of the jury also wept.

Defense attorney Steve Farese went to the witness stand to comfort Patricia and didn't ask any more questions.

someone here has enough guts to say that mary's daughter, patricia was lying about her father? i believe her more than i would believe mary winkler's story. there was other interesting story that had developed in the same article --

Last week, prosecutors played an audiotape in which Mary Winkler acknowledges shooting her husband, telling investigators her "ugly came out." But Mary Winkler also told an Alabama Bureau of Investigation agent on the tape that her husband had threatened her.

Brandy Jones, who described Mary Winkler as her best friend, said Monday she never saw any evidence of physical or emotional abuse. She had dinner with the Winklers a month before Matthew was shot, and the couple seemed happy, Jones said.

"She did state she was happier than she had ever been, and that they would never leave west Tennessee," Jones testified.

Earlier Monday, a forensic pathologist testified that Matthew Winkler was killed by a shotgun blast in the middle of his back; 77 pellets were removed from his body

The defense has said Mary Winkler, 33, intended to hold her husband at gunpoint only to force him to talk about his personal problems after a situation involving their 1-year-old daughter, Breanna. The defense did not describe the situation.

hold the preacher at gunpoint to force him to discuss about his personal problems? and the shotgun went off by itself. oh sure. we can always blame on an invisible "not me" gremlin* if anything happens. there was another delightful tidbit about mary winkler from the same article --

The prosecution has said the Winklers were in financial trouble and that bank managers were closing in on a check-kiting scheme that Mary Winkler wanted to conceal from her husband.

but, but the shotgun went off by itself! it's a valid excuse.

jillio said:
I don't think htat justice was blind at all. The court was willing toconsider mitigating circumstance.
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i was going to agree with you until i read the article i linked to. i can't buy mary winkler's story. i just can't. i'm not saying that the preacher is innocent. but what mary did to her husband is just plain murder and we all know it.


* family circus reference

p.s. i agree with trudy schuett on this case.
 
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more about check-kiting scheme --

According to CNN, before Mary Winkler killed her husband Matthew she "told Tennessee authorities about losing $17,000 in what investigators have described as a 'Nigerian 419' check-kiting scam." Matthew was unaware of it, and the day he was killed they had an appointment with one of the banks. At this meeting Matthew would have been made aware of her actions. Mary was nervous about being discovered, and chose to murder her husband instead.

i think the theory makes more sense than mary winkler's story's.
 
SELMER, Tenn. — A preacher's wife testified at her murder trial Wednesday that her husband abused her physically and sexually, but she said the shotgun fired accidentally as she pointed it at him in their parsonage bedroom.

Mary Winkler heard a "boom" but said she did not pull the trigger, prompting prosecutor Walt Freeland to ask her later whether she understood how a trigger worked.

"You know that pulling a trigger is what makes it go boom?" Freeland asked on the final day of testimony.

"Yes, sir," Mary Winkler replied. She said she remembered holding the gun but not getting it from the closet.

She said that she just wanted to talk to her husband, Matthew, when she went into their bedroom that day in March 2006, but that she was too terrified. "He just could be so mean," she said.

But, she told Freeland, her husband did "nothing" for which he deserved to die.

Her depiction of her marriage contrasts radically with the description by the prosecution, whose witnesses described Matthew Winkler as a good father and husband. The couple's 9-year-old daughter, Patricia, testified that she had a good father and that she never saw him mistreat her mother.

Matthew Winkler, 31, was fatally shot in his back. A day later, his wife was arrested 340 miles away on the Alabama coast, driving the family minivan with her three young daughters inside.

Mary Winkler said she planned to return to Selmer but wanted time alone with her daughters. "All I knew was that the stupid gun had went off, and nobody would believe me and they would just take my girls away from me," she said.
On the witness stand: Mary Winkler says gun fired accidentally, gives tales of abuse
 
BeachBlue said:
Mary Winkler said she planned to return to Selmer but wanted time alone with her daughters. "All I knew was that the stupid gun had went off, and nobody would believe me and they would just take my girls away from me," she said.
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how does it go off by itself? can someone please answer this question i've posted repeatedly? weapon 101 -- the trigger has been fully squeezed to fire.
 
Gamer12 said:
there was another story from the other side --

Patricia Winkler took the stand Monday in a crowded courtroom. When the prosecutor asked the girl to state her name and birthdate, she looked over at her mother, Mary Winkler, and began sobbing.

Patricia testified he was a good father and she never saw him mistreat her mother. Later, under questioning from a defense attorney, the girl burst into tears after trying to explain why — after one visit — she stopped seeing her mother following Mary Winkler's release from jail.

"Because I didn't want to see her," Patricia said. After a long pause she added, "Well, I mean, I still love her," and started crying again, burying her face in her hands. Mary Winkler and several members of the jury also wept.

Defense attorney Steve Farese went to the witness stand to comfort Patricia and didn't ask any more questions.

someone here has enough guts to say that mary's daughter, patricia was lying about her father? i believe her more than i would believe mary winkler's story. there was other interesting story that had developed in the same article --

Last week, prosecutors played an audiotape in which Mary Winkler acknowledges shooting her husband, telling investigators her "ugly came out." But Mary Winkler also told an Alabama Bureau of Investigation agent on the tape that her husband had threatened her.

Brandy Jones, who described Mary Winkler as her best friend, said Monday she never saw any evidence of physical or emotional abuse. She had dinner with the Winklers a month before Matthew was shot, and the couple seemed happy, Jones said.

"She did state she was happier than she had ever been, and that they would never leave west Tennessee," Jones testified.

Earlier Monday, a forensic pathologist testified that Matthew Winkler was killed by a shotgun blast in the middle of his back; 77 pellets were removed from his body

The defense has said Mary Winkler, 33, intended to hold her husband at gunpoint only to force him to talk about his personal problems after a situation involving their 1-year-old daughter, Breanna. The defense did not describe the situation.

hold the preacher at gunpoint to force him to discuss about his personal problems? and the shotgun went off by itself. oh sure. we can always blame on an invisible "not me" gremlin* if anything happens. there was another delightful tidbit about mary winkler from the same article --

The prosecution has said the Winklers were in financial trouble and that bank managers were closing in on a check-kiting scheme that Mary Winkler wanted to conceal from her husband.

but, but the shotgun went off by itself! it's a valid excuse.



i was going to agree with you until i read the article i linked to. i can't buy mary winkler's story. i just can't. i'm not saying that the preacher is innocent. but what mary did to her husband is just plain murder and we all know it.


* family circus reference

p.s. i agree with trudy schuett on this case.
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Simply because the child never saw the abuse does not mean that it didn't occur. And you need to keep in mind, as well, that this child has been traumatised by the whole course of events. She is no doubt conflicted in her feelings toward both of her parents.

And I am in no way saying that Mary's solution was right. I'm simply saying that there are mitigating circumstances. As a professional counselor, I tend to look at mental status and circumstances when making ajudgement regarding someone's actions. To be able to understand their frame of mind doesn't justify the action, but it does give you an understanding of why they have behaved in a certain way. Oh, and thanks for the link!
 
Gamer12 said:
how does it go off by itself? can someone please answer this question i've posted repeatedly? weapon 101 -- the trigger has been fully squeezed to fire.
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Accidental shootings happen all the time. A better question would be, "What the hell were they doing with a loaded gun in the house with 2 small children in a place as easily accessible as a closet?"
 
jillio said:
Accidental shootings happen all the time. A better question would be, "What the hell were they doing with a loaded gun in the house with 2 small children in a place as easily accessible as a closet?"
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3 small children.
 
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