Why - Why the Medical Society constantly pressure on the Parents?

[rick48]

Without the struggle? And I am baiting no one. Go back and check the posts, and you will see exactly how many times it has been said that speech therapy is not necessary for their child, or for the CI children they teach. Then it has been claimed that it should be part of the academic curriculum. Then it is claimed that the CI allows for natural acquisition of speech. Contradictions, contradictions.

You will have to tell us which posts your are referring to as there are thousands of posts on AD. For I have never read any such post written by a parent of a ci child or someone who teaches ci children. Since you believe that there are many such posts it should be very easy for you to find one.

Only contradiction I see is you maintaining that you are not against children having cochlear implants.

 

[loml]

Okay, there are numerous current studies.

jillio - You have a list of current studies?

 

[loml]

This was not a published paper, RR. It was a paper presented to a conference. As soon as I hear back via email from the author, and have been given permission to release the name, I will do so. This is a paper that is in my personal collection of documents.

jillio - Any news on this one?

 

[vallee]

That was prior to you receiving a CI, was it not? And because you were postlingually deafened with a progressive loss?

And are there other members like me as well that took some speech? Do you question everyone level of hearing loss?

My hearing loss is progressive and at age 3. I really remember so much at that age. Let me also bring up unaided until age 10.

 

[flip]

Interesting..I noticed that the deaf posters share our experiences with speech therapy while the hearing posters tell us what and how much speech therapy is required or is not required.

Yes, that hit me recently, too. I sometimes feel that as the CI hype gets weaker something else that have been there all time time becomes much more visible, the hearing ethnocentrism.

The statement "they were saying things they had no idea about" from Jackie is perhaps a typical example of this?

 

[jillio]

You will have to tell us which posts your are referring to as there are thousands of posts on AD. For I have never read any such post written by a parent of a ci child or someone who teaches ci children. Since you believe that there are many such posts it should be very easy for you to find one.

Only contradiction I see is you maintaining that you are not against children having cochlear implants.

We can start with this one:

First off, several of us, many, many times have pointed out that our children did not grow up constantly going to formal therapy that as parents we were instructed to take the concepts and ideas stressed in a formal therapy session and incorporate them into our children's daily lives.
Post # 70, Acoustic Charactersitics of Cochlear Implants

or this one:

My children gain language through incidental exposure just like any other hearing child because they hear a lot with their cochlear implants.
Post #93, Acoustic Charactersitics of Cochlear Implants

or this one, more recent:

You are right people keep talking speech therapy. My children stop receiving speech therapy in school when they were kindergarten. The way I learned about the type of program you have going for your son is the top down. You only need a speech therapist when you are correcting an arti issue but with a lot CI kids you do not need to go this route.

 

[jillio]

And are there other members like me as well that took some speech? Do you question everyone level of hearing loss?

My hearing loss is progressive and at age 3. I really remember so much at that age. Let me also bring up unaided until age 10.

As I have explained to you before, vallee, it is not a matter of conscious memory, but of the fact that your hearing was not impaired prior to age three. That means that the language acquisition process for you was the same as for a hearing child from birth-3. And the fact that your loss was progressive means that you were still able to comprehend speech through audition based on the foundation of acquisition available to you prior to age 3.

That has nothing to do with making a judgement about you personally, but is simply a statement of the fact that you cannot compare your ability to comprehend spoken language in your circumstances with that of a child born severe to profoundly deaf from birth. And if you were unaided until 10, you were quite obviously utilizing those linguistic skills acquired from birth-3. None of us remember the process of language acquisition that accourred from birth-3. None of us recall hearing our mothers speak to us at that age. Yet it occurred, and it is avariable that cannot be discounted in the process of language acquisition. You are attempting to oversimplify a very complex cognitive process in order to justify your position of oral only. And that is the problem with oral only. It oversimplifies and reduces to the ability to produce speech a process that affects all domains of a child's functioning.

 

[jillio]

jillio - You have a list of current studies?

Yes, loml I do. And I have posted such in numerous places onthis forum. As well, other members have posted such on numerous places on this forum. In addition, professional journals are full of them. I suggest you do the work for yourself, just as we have done. If you require tutoring, I charge for that.

 

[jillio]

This one?
originally posted by jillio


Unless the person who wrote the article can see into the future (which if that is the case I would like a lotto ticket), this statement is simply a guess.

The person who wrote the article is basing their statement on what they have been told by the professionals during the process of researching the information for the article. Therefore, it is more than a guess.

 

[loml]

lip service

jillio - You claim:

And, if they are mainstreamed without accommodation, chances are their reading levels are below those that are receiving accomodations for their needs. There are numerous studies that have comapred deaf mainstreamed students readinglevels to those of their hearing peers, and in particular, deaf mainstreamed oral students. The findings are consistent: the highest academically functioning deaf students are those that have a strong foundation of signed language facillitating their learning of orally based language (post #632) and then you claim: Okay, there numerous current studies(post 635).

The simple fact that you are unwilling to provide current studies that support your opinion (according to your posts in this topic), in an accessible professional manner, in this topic, portrays your opinion as unsubstantiated.

 

[jillio]

jillio - You claim: [/COLOR]

The simple fact that you are unwilling to provide current studies that support your opinion (according to your posts in this topic), in an accessible professional manner, in this topic, portrays your opinion as unsubstantiated.

My claims are not unsubstantiated at all, loml. It only makes sense that a child without accommodations for their needs will perform at a rate below a child with accommodations for their needs. One only has to use logical thinking. However, it is apparent that you would much rather attempt to cloud the issue than think logically. Like I said, if you require tutoring, I charge for that service.

Why is it that you are so reluctant to answer the question: Are you in Canado?

 

[loml]

The person who wrote the article is basing their statement on what they have been told by the professionals during the process of researching the information for the article. Therefore, it is more than a guess.

jillio - There is only one comment in the article quoting a proffessional, who makes no reference to his future education.

 

[loml]

My claims are not unsubstantiated at all, loml. It only makes sense that a child without accommodations for their needs will perform at a rate below a child with accommodations for their needs. One only has to use logical thinking. However, it is apparent that you would much rather attempt to cloud the issue than think logically. Like I said, if you require tutoring, I charge for that service.

Why is it that you are so reluctant to answer the question: Are you in Canado?

jillio - Obviously you cannot support your posts with numerous current studies, as you claim.

Why the sudden interest for where I live?

 

[jillio]

jillio - There is only one comment in the article quoting a proffessional, who makes no reference to his future education.

I did not say anything about quotes. Quite obviously, you have no idea how an article is researched prior to writing.

 

[jillio]

jillio - Obviously you cannot support your posts with numerous current studies, as you claim.

Why the sudden interest for where I live?

Reference to the numerous current studies have been posted all over this forum. I cite my sources when I make a direct reference. However, stating that there are current numerous studies, which is a valid and true claim, does not require citation, as I am neither quoting nor paraphrasing the content of any particular study. I am simply referring to the fact that these studies exist. If you wish to prove me wrong in that claim, then by all means, have at it. You will have a difficult time in doing so.

The interest in where you live was sparked by a post you made regarding your attempt to find stats re: education. If, indeed, you are in Canada, which obviously you are by your unwillingness to answer, then the stats you find for Canada are irrelevent to a discussion regarding stats in the U.S., as your schools are not subject to the reporting standards mandated by the ADA.

 

[loml]

Reference to the numerous current studies have been posted all over this forum. I cite my sources when I make a direct reference. However, stating that there are current numerous studies, which is a valid and true claim, does not require citation, as I am neither quoting nor paraphrasing the content of any particular study. I am simply referring to the fact that these studies exist. If you wish to prove me wrong in that claim, then by all means, have at it. You will have a difficult time in doing so.

The interest in where you live was sparked by a post you made regarding your attempt to find stats re: education. If, indeed, you are in Canada, which obviously you are by your unwillingness to answer, then the stats you find for Canada are irrelevent to a discussion regarding stats in the U.S., as your schools are not subject to the reporting standards mandated by the ADA.

jillio - The difficulty will arise because you do not have numerous current studies posted on this board, or any other.

What are the reporting standards mandated by the ADA? What are the reporting satandards mandated for Canada or England or Spain or France? How do they compare?

 

[jillio]

jillio - The difficulty will arise because you do not have numerous current studies posted on this board, or any other.

What are the reporting standards mandated by the ADA? What are the reporting satandards mandated for Canada or England or Spain or France? How do they compare?

I said numerous current studies are available. Why should I do the research for you, loml?

When you start answering my direct questions, I will start answering yours. Frankly, your constant attempts to pull threads off topic in order to confuse the issue and attempt to make yourself look credible are tiring. Obviously, you are unable to support both the accusations and the claims you make, and thus, attempt to derail issues to cloud the fact that you can't.

 

[Cloggy]

I said numerous current studies are available. Why should I do the research for you, loml?

When you start answering my direct questions, I will start answering yours. Frankly, your constant attempts to pull threads off topic in order to confuse the issue and attempt to make yourself look credible are tiring. Obviously, you are unable to support both the accusations and the claims you make, and thus, attempt to derail issues to cloud the fact that you can't.

So, your best answer is "numerous studies are available"... I've heared that one before...
Everytime you could not back up something you posted...

So, since you cannot answer her questions, you do the jump of "I answer when you answer" (how old are you?) and then you make an accusation about going offtopic, confusing the issue..

Now, really.... who's the confusing one here....

 

[Cheri]

 

[jillio]

I know, Cheri. I see no reason to respond to the childish behavior being demonstrated. It is like a gang of school yard bullies. They are best ignored.