Why - Why the Medical Society constantly pressure on the Parents?

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Kid speak up Against Cochlear Implants !!

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I am glad, that he speak up what he saw some of his friends who have CI. Very disappoint with the parents due to bore at the mainsteam school.
 
shel90 said:
I posted in #156 telling Jackie that I would never tell her or any other parents what to do with their kids and that I was just offering my reasons for why I have my views. I emphased that I wasnt condemning her or anything but then after that things just got ugly right after that. Oh well.
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Post #41 and post #42. It was in the last sentence in post #57 that the attitudes against signing and deaf schools began to become apparent.
 
jillio said:
Although Levi has come a long way, he needs to continue speech therapy classes throughout his education.
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yes and it is great that they just don't stop therapy just because he has implants.
 
Kalista said:
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I am glad, that he speak up what he saw some of his friends who have CI. Very disappoint with the parents due to bore at the mainsteam school.
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Yea, I can imagine how boring mainstreaming can get if one is constantly missing out on everything that is being said.

Wow, I feel bad for this boy that his friends moved to mainstreamed programs and he doesnt see them much anymore.
 
vallee said:
yes and it is great that they just don't stop therapy just because he has implants.
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But I thought the popular claim was that oral deaf children with CI don't need speech therapy and are not pulled out of class for speech therapy, thus sacrificing educational time. Which is it? Dot hey receive lifelong speech therapy, or do they not receive speech therapy in school? We are right backto the acrifice of academic time to put the focus on speaking.
 
shel90 said:
Nothing new...
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Speech is not the primary concern. Being oral and having good education can go hand and hand. As for speech being the primary concern, my children havn't seen a speech therapist in over a decade and even when they saw one it was once a week. Our focus has always been making sure they got the best education possible and if they were able to be oral that was a plus.

Cut and pasted from a post in this thread. This is where the contradictions start again. It is about speech, it isn't about speech.
 
jillio said:
Speech is not the primary concern. Being oral and having good education can go hand and hand. As for speech being the primary concern, my children havn't seen a speech therapist in over a decade and even when they saw one it was once a week. Our focus has always been making sure they got the best education possible and if they were able to be oral that was a plus.

Cut and pasted from a post in this thread. This is where the contradictions start again. It is about speech, it isn't about speech.
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Speech will always be a big issue in a deaf person's life. That is why many of us are sick of hearing about speech. It is like a broken record repeating itself. Only difference, we cant hear it! LOL!
 
jillio said:
But I thought the popular claim was that oral deaf children with CI don't need speech therapy and are not pulled out of class for speech therapy, thus sacrificing educational time. Which is it? Dot hey receive lifelong speech therapy, or do they not receive speech therapy in school? We are right backto the acrifice of academic time to put the focus on speaking.
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You are just trying to bait vallee and others into yet another prolonged circular argument.

Anyone who has researched the ci knows that the post therapy s&l is very important. One of the great benefits of implanting a child as soon as possible is that the most intensive S&L will be done before starting academic courses in grade school.

For example, even though she was implanted at 2 and a half my daughter never missed any academic lessons for her in school S&L.

BTW if you really are familiar with cis you should have already known that!


No sacrifice of academics at all but she gained spoken language without the struggle.
 
Kalista said:
Look at me... I raise oral method at Deaf School. Tell me why my English grammar do not always accurately structure when I write / type ?? ASL expose is more developed in better concept in my primary language than oral skill.

Tell me why my voice sounds like a monkey ??
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I have no answer for you. I really don't know why some deaf have good speech and others don't. :dunno:

I was raised via the Oral method myself and while I speak well, it's harder for me to understand what the hearing say to me. They seem more concerned about my speech than if I understand THEM.


I've seen students do better when exposed to a language that is easily accessable to them. When I am in a signing class room, I don't have to struggle to understand what is going on and I don't have to read everything in sight to make up for what I missed in class.

Even with implants, spoken language is only partially accessiable to many. That's not good enough in my book.
 
jillio said:
Although Levi has come a long way, he needs to continue speech therapy classes throughout his education.
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There is simply not enough information in this article to make the conclusion that the child is pulled out of class to attend speech therapy.
 
deafskeptic said:
.....I was raised via the Oral method myself and while I speak well, it's harder for me to understand what the hearing say to me.....
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Perhaps your exposure to cueing of language has some had some impact. The brain is a very complex and fascinating "machine".

During you schools years (k-12): how many hours a week were you in s/t; how much time did your family dedicate to speech at home; what methods did they use; were you pulled from class; mainstreamed or residential education or combination of?
 
loml said:
Perhaps your exposure to cueing of language has some had some impact. The brain is a very complex and fascinating "machine".

During you schools years (k-12): how many hours a week were you in s/t; how much time did your family dedicate to speech at home; what methods did they use; were you pulled from class; mainstreamed or residential education or combination of?
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I doubt it as I don't remember being exposed to cued language before the second grade and I already had a very good grasp of the English language if my first grade report is any example. I have not used cued speech since 4th grade so I doubt it had a huge impact on my language skills. I will credit it with giving me a basic understanding of phonics.

I don't recall how often I had speech in preschool. I do recall I had speech once a week in the oral program and twice weekly in mainstream. I usually was pulled out of English class for that. I had speech once a week in deaf school and I have not taken any speech class since 9th grade.
 
Interesting..I noticed that the deaf posters share our experiences with speech therapy while the hearing posters tell us what and how much speech therapy is required or is not required.
 
shel90 said:
Did u forget how we all were respectful of you when you first joined? Do u know why things changed or have u forgotten?

Remember, that I first applaud you for raising your kids so well? Maybe it is time for you to go back to the thread about CART and find out why things changed the way they did.
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Sorry, I am not sure what you interpretetion of respectful is but you and your friend have never been respectful to me. Your first comment was why my daughter doesn't sign. It wasn't good for mom making sure that her daughter has what she needs.
 
rick48 said:
Actually she was referring to people at organizations such as AGB:


"They see the very high achievers who are rather promeniet in the oral deaf organizations, and they think that ALL oral kids can acheive as well as those kids.
I'm not surprised that you see a lot of high achiever types.........but the thing is, its not nessarily due to methodology...........it's due to the fact that many if not most AG Bell types are basicly very high achiever types. (and high achiever for ANYONE)"

Not really sure what she means except that she thinks that being a high achiever has nothing to do with methodology but that all those who are in AGB are high achievers but then she thinks that all those in AGb are oral.

So if A=B and B=C then A=C?

Too late to worry about this stuff.
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You know what Rick, when my children were young I was never a part of AG Bell. I did not become a member until after I became a teacher.
 
rick48 said:
Shel,

Maybe you were respectful to Jackie and I believe that you were but limit that comment to just yourself for I do not believe that everyone was respectful towards her and especially her children.
Rick
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I think Rick they must have forgotten. The only reason I joined this site is because they were not being kind and they were saying things they had no idea about.
 
rick48 said:
You are just trying to bait vallee and others into yet another prolonged circular argument.

Anyone who has researched the ci knows that the post therapy s&l is very important. One of the great benefits of implanting a child as soon as possible is that the most intensive S&L will be done before starting academic courses in grade school.

For example, even though she was implanted at 2 and a half my daughter never missed any academic lessons for her in school S&L.

BTW if you really are familiar with cis you should have already known that!


No sacrifice of academics at all but she gained spoken language without the struggle.
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Rick what they do not understand is that each child is different so you base decision on what that child needs. Not all children need the same thing. My children stop speech early in school because the speech person was not good enough and so in order for my kids not to be wasting time with a person that does not know a whole lot we would go to AVT on Fridays afternoon.
 
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