Why adults choose CI's for their children

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jillio said:
No, I am talking about students in all levels of school. And it is not becoming less and less. Early implantation has absolutely nothing to do with the functional limitations of the devise. It simply cannot and does not provide normal hearing. Therefore, the child, particularly in academic situations, will require support services.

Better results does not equate to no need for support services. The devise, even at its best, has functional limitations that must be accommodated for.
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And what are the device's limitations? What support services are you referring to?
 
jillio said:
Again, it wasn't my conclusion. It was the conclusion of the research.
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No, you concluded that it was the parents putting their needs ahead of their children's. I believe the reason the want their child to "use the language they are most skilled in" is because they desire to have real interaction and communication in their family, and fear that they can not do that in a language they are still learning.
 
jillio said:
The following statements were the ones most strongly agreed with by those parents of children with CI as related to their choice of oral only communication:

1. I want to use the easiest method (for me) of communicating with child.
This answer is a bit sad, I would not have agreed.
2. I want to use the method of communication in which I am most skilled.
Some parents may have been thinking that if they were to use another method of communicating that they are not skilled with, that they would be a poor model for their child. Others were likely thinking more similar to #1. I may have slightly agreed depending on how I read the question.
3. I want to use the language which is most likely to be useful to my child in the future.
I would have strongly agreed with this one.
4. I want to use the most effective way of communicating with my child.
I would not have strongly agreed, as there are many ways of communicating effectively, whether oral, written, signed, etc.
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My thoughts above.
 
jillio said:
The first two statements that most parents strongly agreed with indicate clearly that it is the needs of the parent, rather than the child, that motivates communication choice. The second two statements that were agreed to very strongly by most hearing parents indicate a judgement again made from the experience of the parent's language, and not from the perspective of the child's needs.
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Unless, I am wrong and this part is from the study too. Was this the conclusion drawn by the researchers? I didn't see that it was a quote. Am I mistaken to think that this was your own opinion?
 
faire_jour said:
No, you concluded that it was the parents putting their needs ahead of their children's. I believe the reason the want their child to "use the language they are most skilled in" is because they desire to have real interaction and communication in their family, and fear that they can not do that in a language they are still learning.
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That's their fear not willing to learn sign language but stick within their comfort zone that is speaking and hearing by nature so they think their deaf child could adapt in... BUT only many of them don't realize how difficult it does/goes for their deaf child esp in his/her latter development.
 
faire_jour said:
And what are the device's limitations? What support services are you referring to?
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The devise does not provide for normal hearing. It has various limitations in various environments, and the results achieved by each individual is variable.

And by support services, I am speaking of the same support services that children using an HA receive in the mainstream educational environment. Surely you are aware of the services used.
 
web730 said:
That's their fear not willing to learn sign language but stick within their comfort zone that is speaking and hearing by nature so they think their deaf child could adapt in... BUT only many of them don't realize how difficult it does/goes for their deaf child esp in his/her latter development.
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Right..even now, after having a strong language in English, it is very difficult for me to communicate freely using spoken English.
 
faire_jour said:
Unless, I am wrong and this part is from the study too. Was this the conclusion drawn by the researchers? I didn't see that it was a quote. Am I mistaken to think that this was your own opinion?
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Yes, you are mistaken. If you will read the very first part of my post, you will see that I said "the following is excerpted."

Likewise, the focus of the statements strongly agreed to by the parents is obvious.
 
jillio said:
The devise does not provide for normal hearing. It has various limitations in various environments, and the results achieved by each individual is variable.

And by support services, I am speaking of the same support services that children using an HA receive in the mainstream educational environment. Surely you are aware of the services used.
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CARTs, terps, FM systems...if children with CIs can hear like hearing kids, then they dont need all those things but they stil do so which is which?
 
web730 said:
That's their fear not willing to learn sign language but stick within their comfort zone that is speaking and hearing by nature so they think their deaf child could adapt in... BUT only many of them don't realize how difficult it does/goes for their deaf child esp in his/her latter development.
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But many believe that it is easier now than it has ever been. Many CI kids are functioning at the same level as hearing children their own age. They do not want their communication with their child to be limited to "No" and writing back and forth. They want to play language games and read poetry. Not just use the rudimentary signs that is all MOST hearing parents ever learn. Is it so terrible that they want to share their language with their child, and they believe that technology has now given them that opportunity?
 
faire_jour said:
But many believe that it is easier now than it has ever been. Many CI kids are functioning at the same level as hearing children their own age. They do not want their communication with their child to be limited to "No" and writing back and forth. They want to play language games and read poetry. Not just use the rudimentary signs that is all MOST hearing parents ever learn. Is it so terrible that they want to share their language with their child, and they believe that technology has now given them that opportunity?
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many? can you provide cites for that? or is it purely your assumption?
 
faire_jour said:
No, you concluded that it was the parents putting their needs ahead of their children's. I believe the reason the want their child to "use the language they are most skilled in" is because they desire to have real interaction and communication in their family, and fear that they can not do that in a language they are still learning.
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I don't know what part of this you are having difficulty understanding, but again, these are not my conclusions, but the findings based on the research. And the statements as worded in the assessment instruments are quoted from the actual assessment. The statements present the focus very clearly. The parents strongly agreed with the statements as worded. They were provided an opportunity to clarify. The findings still indicated that the choice was based on parental need.
 
faire_jour said:
But many believe that it is easier now than it has ever been. Many CI kids are functioning at the same level as hearing children their own age. They do not want their communication with their child to be limited to "No" and writing back and forth. They want to play language games and read poetry. Not just use the rudimentary signs that is all MOST hearing parents ever learn. Is it so terrible that they want to share their language with their child, and they believe that technology has now given them that opportunity?
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the key word here is "believe"
 
shel90 said:
CARTs, terps, FM systems...if children with CIs can hear like hearing kids, then they dont need all those things but they stil do so which is which?
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There are many CI kids who don't use any of those things. And while my personal experience is rather limited, I am only able to speak to what I know. I believe that all the research says the earlier a child receives proper intervention the better their results are.
 
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