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yes, the same thing that all those profoundly deaf since birth, raised in an asl enviroment in conjunction with great access to spoken language through bilateral CIs, bi-bi school attending kids....sure!
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Riiiight.

You know what...it is your decision to have your kid implanted and force her to use CIs and be restricted in an oral environment. You are guaranteed the right to make that decision. But when you make that decision, you also have to admit that you are doing it from nothing more than an audist perspective and you also have to accept the long term consequences of your decisions on your child. You want the right to make the decision, but the freedom to be dishonest about your motives and the freedom to avoid accepting responsibility for consequences.
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my reason for giving my child her CI has been discussed here at great length.

the reason she is now in a spoken language enviroment is simple. We spent 5 years focusing on her first language, ASL and now we are spending time developing her English.
She is using written and spoken english. But she also continues to use asl every day and is active in our (very small) local Deaf community.
 
Remember the young man who was getting reimplanted and didn't understand why his mother was freaking out? Something about chipping his skull.
 
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my reason for giving my child her CI has been discussed here at great length.

the reason she is now in a spoken language enviroment is simple. We spent 5 years focusing on her first language, ASL and now we are spending time developing her English.
She is using written and spoken english. But she also continues to use asl every day and is active in our (very small) local Deaf community.
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We know why you had her implanted,and why you have gone oral only. We have sat around and watched you do a complete reversal of perspectives beginning at the point where you discovered that medicaid would pay for her first implant. You went from being totally against early implantation and all about the child's right to decide regarding their own deafness, to one of the worst audist oralists this forum has ever seen. Plenty evident of the audist that was there all along, but hidden by saying what you believed would gain you acceptance.

You really need to get over your inconsistent, hypocritical self.
 
Grendel - for a person who comes from a "smart family" i find you terribly doltish.

What you're doing is comparing apples to elephants in your futile attempt to blur things.

no bueno.
 
Okay i've been reading the last 3 pages since I last posted on this thread.

First) everything comes with a risk. Everything in the world comes in with a risk like theres drowning in swimming, car accidents, insurance fraud, etc. And we KNOW how to be careful with those kind of risks, especially with a CI.

2nd) Like I said before, Let the child decide if she/he wants a cochlear implant. If she already decides that she/he wants a cochlear implant at a young age, thats fine. But it's your money thats coming out of your pocket. I made the decision to have a CI at the age of 8 years old. And it was one of the biggest decisions of my life that I ever made. Because I know i'm going to be taking those risks with me, and trust me I have been very careful with CIs knowing that there are risks before and after surgery.

3rd) Why are we talking about schools? This has nothing to do with this thread. But I have gone to St. Rita's for about a semester and It wasn't the kind of school for me. I will always advocate the deaf schools because they're a big part of my deaf community. I will do everything I can to support my deaf community, doesn't matter if i'm in mainstreaming schools or not. I will support them.

4th) Speech therapy is a big thing with cochlear implants. I have never liked speech therapy. I mean my friends has come up to me and asked me why I was still in speech therapy and I have to say its because of my Cochlear Implant with the school, they want me to talk normally as possible. Honestly thats the only thing I don't really like about cochlear implants, because they want to change the way you talk. But your voice is your identity. Theres ASL, BSL, LSL, written english, written germany,etc. I still use ASL with my deaf peers, I will use it in my family too. I'm even teaching my band friends how to sign because they want to know. They asked me alot about the deaf community as well as with cochlear implants, sign language, and alot of them are wanting to go into a ASL class just because of how interested they are about it. I know this is probably a little off topic but i wanted to bring up that point.

I sign and Talk both at the same time, and I use that skill to communicate for both worlds. And i'm proud of doing that. I'm not disappointed that i'm deaf or that i have cochlear implants. Honestly, I wish i had worn my hearing aids a little bit longer before the remaning 50% in my right ear had disappeared, but i have learned to accept it and move on. It's life, you really can't control it, but you can control your future.
 
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Okay i've been reading the last 3 pages since I last posted on this thread.

First) everything comes with a risk. Everything in the world comes in with a risk like theres drowning in swimming, car accidents, insurance fraud, etc. And we KNOW how to be careful with those kind of risks, especially with a CI.

2nd) Like I said before, Let the child decide if she/he wants a cochlear implant. If she already decides that she/he wants a cochlear implant at a young age, thats fine. But it's your money thats coming out of your pocket. I made the decision to have a CI at the age of 8 years old. And it was one of the biggest decisions of my life that I ever made. Because I know i'm going to be taking those risks with me, and trust me I have been very careful with CIs knowing that there are risks before and after surgery.

3rd) Why are we talking about schools? This has nothing to do with this thread. But I have gone to St. Rita's for about a semester and It wasn't the kind of school for me. I will always advocate the deaf schools because they're a big part of my deaf community. I will do everything I can to support my deaf community, doesn't matter if i'm in mainstreaming schools or not. I will support them.

4th) Speech therapy is a big thing with cochlear implants. I have never liked speech therapy. I mean my friends has come up to me and asked me why I was still in speech therapy and I have to say its because of my Cochlear Implant with the school, they want me to talk normally as possible. Honestly thats the only thing I don't really like about cochlear implants, because they want to change the way you talk. But your voice is your identity. Theres ASL, BSL, LSL, written english, written germany,etc. I still use ASL with my deaf peers, I will use it in my family too. I'm even teaching my band friends how to sign because they want to know. They asked me alot about the deaf community as well as with cochlear implants, sign language, and alot of them are wanting to go into a ASL class just because of how interested they are about it. I know this is probably a little off topic but i wanted to bring up that point.

I sign and Talk both at the same time, and I use that skill to communicate for both worlds. And i'm proud of doing that. I'm not disappointed that i'm deaf or that i have cochlear implants. Honestly, I wish i had worn my hearing aids a little bit longer before the remaning 50% in my right ear had disappeared, but i have learned to accept it and move on. It's life, you really can't control it, but you can control your future.
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Like you, my son can sign and speak, and communicates with both worlds on a daily basis. Without a CI, and with profound loss.
 
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my reason for giving my child her CI has been discussed here at great length.

the reason she is now in a spoken language enviroment is simple. We spent 5 years focusing on her first language, ASL and now we are spending time developing her English.
She is using written and spoken english. But she also continues to use asl every day and is active in our (very small) local Deaf community.
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We know why you had her implanted,and why you have gone oral only. We have sat around and watched you do a complete reversal of perspectives beginning at the point where you discovered that medicaid would pay for her first implant. You went from being totally against early implantation and all about the child's right to decide regarding their own deafness, to one of the worst audist oralists this forum has ever seen. Plenty evident of the audist that was there all along, but hidden by saying what you believed would gain you acceptance.

You really need to get over your inconsistent, hypocritical self.
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first of all, insurance has nothing to do with it, but make sure to throw in that my child is on medicaid at every available opportunity, like it is some kind of slur.

second, yes, i was against implantation BEFORE i bothered to educate myself. I have never met an adult with an implant. I had only met one family who had chosen them. I knew nothing about the risks or the outcomes. Once i actually read research, met children and adults (both signing and oral) with CIs, yes, my opinion changed.

i stood on my soapbox and said the very same garbage you spew to others and you know what, i was wrong. And i am willing to admit that.
 
Doesn't beat the 8:1 opinion.

Keep going, get louder and LOUDER........... That's what they all do.
 
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first of all, insurance has nothing to do with it, but make sure to throw in that my child is on medicaid at every available opportunity, like it is some kind of slur.

second, yes, i was against implantation BEFORE i bothered to educate myself. I have never met an adult with an implant. I had only met one family who had chosen them. I knew nothing about the risks or the outcomes. Once i actually read research, met children and adults (both signing and oral) with CIs, yes, my opinion changed.

i stood on my soapbox and said the very same garbage you spew to others and you know what, i was wrong. And i am willing to admit that.
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Blan, blah, blah. Your history speaks for itself. No amount of backpedaling can change that. Just admit that you are an audist and an oralist and go on with it. Like you said, it is your choice, so stand up for your choice. You can't have it both ways.
 
jillio said:
Like you, my son can sign and speak, and communicates with both worlds on a daily basis. Without a CI, and with profound loss.
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I had severe loss when i was losing both of my hearing as a young child. I tried the hearing aids for awhile until i was 8 and nothing was helping my left ear so I gave up on that. And ended up with a cochlear implant on that ear. Up until the winter of my sophmore year in high school I was losing the 50% remaining hearing in my right ear due to maybe my autoimmune hearing loss or winter drumline, my audi didn't know what was going on but we tried protecting that ear with musician ear plugs but it didn't work so we just assumed it was the autoimmune. And got another implant on the right ear in September of my junior year, got activated in October. I wished I had the HAs longer. I enjoyed having the HAs.
 
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faire_jour said:
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first of all, insurance has nothing to do with it, but make sure to throw in that my child is on medicaid at every available opportunity, like it is some kind of slur.

second, yes, i was against implantation BEFORE i bothered to educate myself. I have never met an adult with an implant. I had only met one family who had chosen them. I knew nothing about the risks or the outcomes. Once i actually read research, met children and adults (both signing and oral) with CIs, yes, my opinion changed.

i stood on my soapbox and said the very same garbage you spew to others and you know what, i was wrong. And i am willing to admit that.
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Blan, blah, blah. Your history speaks for itself. No amount of backpedaling can change that. Just admit that you are an audist and an oralist and go on with it. Like you said, it is your choice, so stand up for your choice. You can't have it both ways.
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the most ridiculous part of this whole thing is that you actually think you are right. You actually think you know me, or my thoughts or my child or grendel's. The absurity really makes me feel sorry for you.
 
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the most ridiculous part of this whole thing is that you actually think you are right. You actually think you know me, or my thoughts or my child or grendel's. The absurity really makes me feel sorry for you.
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Nope, I know I am right. The absurdity comes in your believing that you can make people believe you are something you are not. This isn't Halloween. Take off that false face.
 
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Grendel - for a person who comes from a "smart family" i find you terribly doltish.

What you're doing is comparing apples to elephants in your futile attempt to blur things.

no bueno.
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I'm doltish, hmm? I'm devastated.

What's with the childish name-calling? Is this supposed to be constructive?
 
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the most ridiculous part of this whole thing is that you actually think you are right. You actually think you know me, or my thoughts or my child or grendel's. The absurity really makes me feel sorry for you.
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look, nobody is right in this thread. Everybody wants to be right and we can't be sometimes. Everybody has their own different opinions, we have different personality. So really, lets all be adults about it and just move on from it.
 
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