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GrendelQ said:
Neither is putting your child in the car a necessity. Or cooking on a stove. Or giving a bath.
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They don't come with the same long long long list of cons like CIs do. your attempt to compare the two is a weak basis for a solid argument.
 
i know of a person that has had several failures, and even the maude database shows over a thousand explants a year..............
 
deafskeptic said:
I know of two such failures. One right here on AD and one that I leanred of when I was recovering from a severe infection. My thereapist told me about a deaf kid she had to work with and how his CI didn't work out for him.
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Yep. These are the people that don't bother responding to all those suvey studies that the CI proponents are so fond of quoting.
 
posts from hell said:
i know of a person that has had several failures, and even the maude database shows over a thousand explants a year..............
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We have hearing parents whose kids have had failures right here on AD. Their solution was not to admit to a failure, but to have the kid re-implanted.
 
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GrendelQ said:
DS, what is it you think my daughter is going through?
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Prolly the same thing all of us who became deaf at a very young age or were born deaf went thru as we grew up.
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yes, the same thing that all those profoundly deaf since birth, raised in an asl enviroment in conjunction with great access to spoken language through bilateral CIs, bi-bi school attending kids....sure!
 
jillio said:
From a hearing perspective. You continually discount the deaf perspective of deaf CI users.
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I live with a Deaf CI user. I see many young Deaf CI users daily. My daughter is taught and mentored by Deaf CI users. Some very influential Deaf advocates in my area have CIs. I don't discount their perspectives at all.

DC is NOT a deaf CI user. She doesn't speak from the perspective of a Deaf CI user. Neither do you.
 
GrendelQ said:
I live with a Deaf CI user. I see many young Deaf CI users daily. My daughter is taught and mentored by Deaf CI users. Some very influential Deaf advocates in my area have CIs. I don't discount their perspectives at all.

DC is NOT a deaf CI user. She doesn't speak from the perspective of a Deaf CI user. Neither do you.
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And neither do you.
 
DeafCaroline said:
They don't come with the same long long long list of cons like CIs do. your attempt to compare the two is a weak basis for a solid argument.
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Seriously? You think that having to change the batteries is equal to death by drowning?
 
faire_jour said:
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yes, the same thing that all those profoundly deaf since birth, raised in an asl enviroment in conjunction with great access to spoken language through bilateral CIs, bi-bi school attending kids....sure!
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Riiiight.

You know what...it is your decision to have your kid implanted and force her to use CIs and be restricted in an oral environment. You are guaranteed the right to make that decision. But when you make that decision, you also have to admit that you are doing it from nothing more than an audist perspective and you also have to accept the long term consequences of your decisions on your child. You want the right to make the decision, but the freedom to be dishonest about your motives and the freedom to avoid accepting responsibility for consequences.
 
GrendelQ said:
I live with a Deaf CI user. I see many young Deaf CI users daily. My daughter is taught and mentored by Deaf CI users. Some very influential Deaf advocates in my area have CIs. I don't discount their perspectives at all.

DC is NOT a deaf CI user. She doesn't speak from the perspective of a Deaf CI user. Neither do you.
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I have seen you discount the perspective of deaf CI users right here in black and white. And now you will say, "prove it!" That is the way these things always go. But I don't need to prove anything. I am not the only one that has seen it. Your "prove it" is nothing more than a defensive reaction that you hope will give you the opportunity to back pedal and argue based on semantics.
 
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faire_jour said:
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yes, the same thing that all those profoundly deaf since birth, raised in an asl enviroment in conjunction with great access to spoken language through bilateral CIs, bi-bi school attending kids....sure!
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Riiiight.

You know what...it is your decision to have your kid implanted and force her to use CIs and be restricted in an oral environment. You are guaranteed the right to make that decision. But when you make that decision, you also have to admit that you are doing it from nothing more than an audist perspective and you also have to accept the long term consequences of your decisions on your child. You want the right to make the decision, but the freedom to be dishonest about your motives and the freedom to avoid accepting responsibility for consequences.
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stop and read next time.

this post is about grendel's child.
 
jillio said:
We have hearing parents whose kids have had failures right here on AD. Their solution was not to admit to a failure, but to have the kid re-implanted.
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Well make that 3. :P I had forgotten about Rick's account of how his daughter's CI failed and how she got reimplanted.
 
jillio said:
Try not to be silly.
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Exactly my point. I bring up the worst case scenario, and DC claims that my list of cons isn't long enough? Because saying that something is a leading cause of death is trumped by the length DC says is necessary in a list including having to change the batteries, CIs falling off your head, insurance ...?
 
GrendelQ said:
Neither is putting your child in the car a necessity. Or cooking on a stove. Or giving a bath.
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Unfortunately, those are fallicious comparisons. But the same ones used by many that are coming at this from an audist perpsective.
 
I think frankiesmom is getting a huge lesson here. I'm sure she is seeing what the majority of us are seeing, as well. :cool2:
 
Remember the young man who was getting reimplanted and didn't understand why his mother was freaking out? Something about chipping his skull. :shock:
 
GrendelQ said:
Exactly my point. I bring up the worst case scenario, and DC claims that my list of cons isn't long enough? Because saying that something is a leading cause of death is trumped by the length DC says is necessary in a list including having to change the batteries, CIs falling off your head, insurance ...?
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Grendel, Grendel, Grendel...
 
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