Which country would seize when United States of America collapses?

[Reba]

I remember hearing about an evacuation base somewhere in Colorado but if a nuclear attack were to occur, That evacuation base would not be able to hold a lot of other people (speaking of thousands and thousands of people) unfortunately.

Even though with the strings of backups, One could never know what could happen next.

You might be interested in this:

UNDERGROUND SHELTER RESOURCES - NUCLEAR FALL-OUT SHELTERS

 

[Reba]

call me nieve, but i don't ever see the possibility of the u.s. being siezed by another country. after all, we *are* the world's greatest superpower.

Based only on military attack from the outside, I agree with you.

However, adding the element of collapse from the inside could be another matter.

 

[Hear Again]

It's a trump card that will cost both attacker's and defender's life. Obviously - if the attacker launched nuclear strike on other... the defender will retaliate with nuclear strike as well. Nobody wins. It's the total nuclear annihilation. Nobody wants this. That's why we will not have nuclear war ever but it only serves a great deterrence.

the only exception to this would be if country "a" chose to use several nuclear bombs against country "b" leaving country "b" unable to defend itself.

 

[Hear Again]

Based only on military attack from the outside, I agree with you.

However, adding the element of collapse from the inside could be another matter.

i agree.

 

[webexplorer]

all of your assertions are wrong.

Here are the sources:

Pakistan not to transfer F-16s technology to China

or

Pakistan buys fewer F-16s? Indigenous Flanker from China! « RUPEE NEWS: Recording History, Narrating Archives, Strategic Intellibrief Analysis: Noticias de Rupia | Nouvelles de Roupie | Rupiennachrichten | новоÑти рупии | å¢æ¯”æ–°é—» | R

1. NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROLIFERATION

Pelley's Reporter's Notebook Video - CBSNews.com
(Disappointed, sorry, no closed captions on this video clip. I expected to find the text story instead of the clip.)

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I think somehow, world has lost a bit of faith in China due to their goods being tainted with lead or other chemicals.

Actually except computer, camera, moblie phone, keyboard, mouse, USB, laptops, cellphones, all electricity/manufactory parts etc. etc. etc. The world can't live without them...

If China does not support America in debt, then China probably won't survive on it own...after all who would trust China enough to doing the trade of goods?

Not really, it's impossible... because we need China for PC, camera, etc. (see above) except toys, milk products, etc. China still remain survive for around the world, not just for America. It would hurt America's country if China stop to support US debt which mean is rise mortgage rates, interest, weak the economy, etc...and then lead to hurt many countries around the world including EU as well...

There are discussing on TV at one time about people all over world may decide to go back to buying American goods even though it may cost $2 more, but at least we know it may be more safe than buying from other countries like China.

No, the difference price on goods between "made in china" and "made in America" or "made in Germany" is not few EUR or $ more but 2 or 3 times more... Example: Coffee machine "made in Germany" cost $ 70.00 which different price as "made in China" cost $20.00. Do you think the low class people would buy $70 over $20 for coffee machine?

I don't mind going back to buying thing that is made in America.

Ditto, I personally prefer to buy German goods to support economy over "made in china".... (I don't mind to buy coffee machine for $70...)

 

[Foxrac]

Actually except computer, camera, moblie phone, keyboard, mouse, USB, laptops, cellphones, all electricity/manufactory parts etc. etc. etc. The world can't live without them...




Not really, it's impossible... because we need China for PC, camera, etc. (see above) except toys, milk products, etc. China still remain survive for around the world, not just for America. It would hurt America's country if China stop to support US debt which mean is rise mortgage rates, interest, weak the economy, etc...and then lead to hurt many countries around the world including EU as well...



No, the difference price on goods between "made in china" and "made in America" or "made in Germany" is not few EUR or $ more but 2 or 3 times more... Example: Coffee machine "made in Germany" cost $ 70.00 which different price as "made in China" cost $20.00. Do you think the low class people would buy $70 over $20 for coffee machine?




Ditto, I personally prefer to buy German goods to support economy over "made in china".... (I don't mind to buy coffee machine for $70...)

Not true, we have lower minimum wage than your country and optional to have union either, it's up to companies to accept union or not and if manufacturing job offers high paying job with union then would be more expensive to produce than China, if manufacturing job offers moderate-average paying with no union then wouldn't be very difference, probably no more than $10 over China, depends on stuff, even manufacturing companies pays low tax in oversea than in nation.

Most clothes are imported as well.

 

[Jiro]

the only exception to this would be if country "a" chose to use several nuclear bombs against country "b" leaving country "b" unable to defend itself.

it's very easy to detect the nuclear launches because a country with nuclear capability usually has advanced warning system. While other country may launch several nukes.... it only takes 1 retaliatory nuke to hurt them bad.... to their capitol or heavily-populated metropolitan area.

 

[Jiro]

Here are the sources:

Pakistan not to transfer F-16s technology to China

or

Pakistan buys fewer F-16s? Indigenous Flanker from China! « RUPEE NEWS: Recording History, Narrating Archives, Strategic Intellibrief Analysis: Noticias de Rupia | Nouvelles de Roupie | Rupiennachrichten | новоÑти рупии | å¢æ¯”æ–°é—» | R

1. NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROLIFERATION

Pelley's Reporter's Notebook Video - CBSNews.com
(Disappointed, sorry, no closed captions on this video clip. I expected to find the text story instead of the clip.)

I'm hardly worried about that. It's just a fighter jet technology (engine, maneuverability,etc.) but Pakistan do not have F-16's complete capability (advanced radar system, weapons, etc) like USA.

 

[Reba]

it's very easy to detect the nuclear launches because a country with nuclear capability usually has advanced warning system. While other country may launch several nukes.... it only takes 1 retaliatory nuke to hurt them bad.... to their capitol or heavily-populated metropolitan area.

Yes, country "b" would have their nukes on the way back to "a" before "a"'s missiles were even detonated over "b".

 

[Jiro]

Remember that we have treaties to uphold in these countries that we have our military bases in......

Secondly again--even if we have no money, we still wouldn't abandoned our bases internationally for the sake of national security.

The only country that we left was the Phillippines due to the fact that the government of the Phillippines asked us to leave. Then their economy went to the tank and hasn't recovered.

there you go..... all for more reasons why seizing USA is extraordinary far-fetched... probably never gonna happen ever. rest assured, people!

Who owns those commodities? Not the federal government.

who knows... desperation calls for desperate measure. state government seizing the commodities? :-o

 

[Reba]

...who knows... desperation calls for desperate measure. state government seizing the commodities? :-o

That would be a collapse of America as we know it.

 

[Jiro]

That would be a collapse of America as we know it.

indeed....

 

[PowerON]

Actually except computer, camera, moblie phone, keyboard, mouse, USB, laptops, cellphones, all electricity/manufactory parts etc. etc. etc. The world can't live without them...




Not really, it's impossible... because we need China for PC, camera, etc. (see above) except toys, milk products, etc. China still remain survive for around the world, not just for America. It would hurt America's country if China stop to support US debt which mean is rise mortgage rates, interest, weak the economy, etc...and then lead to hurt many countries around the world including EU as well...



No, the difference price on goods between "made in china" and "made in America" or "made in Germany" is not few EUR or $ more but 2 or 3 times more... Example: Coffee machine "made in Germany" cost $ 70.00 which different price as "made in China" cost $20.00. Do you think the low class people would buy $70 over $20 for coffee machine?




Ditto, I personally prefer to buy German goods to support economy over "made in china".... (I don't mind to buy coffee machine for $70...)

It's possible that US invent that doesn't required the high cost to create such as atom sewing into anything. Able to mold into any material to keep low cost and US will become ultimate-power country in low debt

 

[webexplorer]

Liebling)) I disagree with you. I am pretty sure that our people would rather to buy any products that made in USA, Australia, and Europe. Unfortunately, the Europe products are more expensive, and we could compromise the prices especially good quality. China's quality products do not last longer because it wants us to buy more items as replacements. It should be common sense for the Europe companies to lower price and it's same thing for the cost of lower price for the import taxes. If we buy more items instead of China, then China will suffer with its own economy so that it would not able to afford to build new advance weapons.

I agree with other AD about plastic toxic materials for the items. It is a long overdue. First time, Apple Company started selling LED monitors that contain arsenic-free glass, brominated flame retardant-free, mercury-free, PVC-free internal cables, and high recyclable aluminum and glass enclosure.

China will have no more to get mercury from us for their missile weapons. Of course, it is too late. Any country could dig to find the mercury or other toxic materials underground with their own money and risk their own health.

I saw on the news or maybe 60-minutes that a general army is studying to find a very different way without using the nuclear missiles. I don't know what is it all about.

 

[Jiro]

I saw on the news or maybe 60-minutes that a general army is studying to find a very different way without using the nuclear missiles. I don't know what is it all about.

I'm not sure I understand you. What do you mean a different way without using nuclear missile? You mean to destroy a city without using nuke? We have something similar but not as close as nuke. It's called MOAB - Mother of All Bombs. As expected from Russians to counter-act Americans... they came up with "FOAB" - Father of All Bombs... they claimed it to be 4x more powerful than MOAB.

and we already told you that nobody would dare to use nukes and it's so 50's. It's all about precision attack.... no need to take out whole city for one target.

 

[webexplorer]

I'm not sure I understand you. What do you mean a different way without using nuclear missile? You mean to destroy a city without using nuke? We have something similar but not as close as nuke. It's called MOAB - Mother of All Bombs. As expected from Russians to counter-act Americans... they came up with "FOAB" - Father of All Bombs... they claimed it to be 4x more powerful than MOAB.

and we already told you that nobody would dare to use nukes and it's so 50's. It's all about precision attack.... no need to take out whole city for one target.

Wow, I didn't know the difference between MOAB and FOAB.
Off the subject, I wonder if these bombs damaged our ozone layers.

You might want to read this link quickly.
The Inside Story On The Assault On Pelindaba (South Africa):
Pelindaba: Finding Anton Gerber, 60 Minutes' Michael Karzis On Getting The Inside Story On The Assault On Pelindaba - CBS News

I can't find the article what the general discussed with a reporter. I thought that it was 60-minutes. I don't have time to find it. It is most important of all is that no war on our soil. Knock the wood.

 

[Jiro]

Wow, I didn't know the difference between MOAB and FOAB.
Off the subject, I wonder if these bombs damaged our ozone layers.

lol it can't be any worse than all these nuclear bombs we set off for past decades. I wouldn't worry about that.

You might want to read this link quickly.
The Inside Story On The Assault On Pelindaba (South Africa):
Pelindaba: Finding Anton Gerber, 60 Minutes' Michael Karzis On Getting The Inside Story On The Assault On Pelindaba - CBS News

I can't find the article what the general discussed with a reporter. I thought that it was 60-minutes. I don't have time to find it. It is most important of all is that no war on our soil. Knock the wood.

thanks for sharing! I wasn't aware of this... or maybe I just don't remember

 

[Beowulf]

I'm not sure I understand you. What do you mean a different way without using nuclear missile? You mean to destroy a city without using nuke? We have something similar but not as close as nuke. It's called MOAB - Mother of All Bombs. As expected from Russians to counter-act Americans... they came up with "FOAB" - Father of All Bombs... they claimed it to be 4x more powerful than MOAB.

and we already told you that nobody would dare to use nukes and it's so 50's. It's all about precision attack.... no need to take out whole city for one target.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't our MOAB called the Daisy Cutter?
What do the Russians call their FOAB, Cute Little Puppies?
And dang, Jiro, your cavalier attitude towards nuclear explosions frightens me, lol. I understand that if a small nuclear weapon detonates over Nebraska, the whole country's communication system would be paralyzed by the EMPs (electro-magnetic pulses).

 

[Jiro]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't our MOAB called the Daisy Cutter?
What do the Russians call their FOAB, Cute Little Puppies?
And dang, Jiro, your cavalier attitude towards nuclear explosions frightens me, lol. I understand that if a small nuclear weapon detonates over Nebraska, the whole country's communication system would be paralyzed by the EMPs (electro-magnetic pulses).

lol I'm just being realistic. No country is that insane enough to launch a nuclear strike. Sure Iran talks big and haughty but they ain't that crazy to go into nuke war against USA. That's why I said nuke war is so 50's.

What I'm mostly concerned about is the terrorists and their dirty bomb. But the dirty bomb with nuke is extremely extremely extremely difficult to succeed because it is not very mobile nor safe. The suicide bomber would die of radiation. It's so easy to detect radiation before they even get to the target. and... it's nearly impossible to steal the amount of nuke enough to cause devastation. Nuke is OUT.

Biological/chemical warfare is IN. All you need is one tiny aerosol can and then release it in middle of crowdy movie theater.

oh btw - MOAB is the descendant of Daisy Cutter and no the nuke does not paralyze whole country's communication system unless that communication center which controls whole system is destroyed.