Which Choices of Communication should Hearing parents use for their implanted child?

How communication method do you think deaf implanted children should use?

  • Cued speech and Speech communication a language development tool for deaf children.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Sign Language and Speech (Any) (Total Communication)

    Votes: 36 94.7%

  • Sign Language Only

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • Oral Method without Sign Language.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't care either of the list above

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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Angel said:
Yes I know it's not all the way through the skull but I wanted to know if its inside or outside of the skull?....

Bear with me here I aren't that smart....
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Well, hon, if there is no drilling completely through the skull, then it cannot be from the inside. Is that a good guess? Lol...
 
Yeah, Thank you...:going to hide now: :Oops:
 
And you are also right that I was talking to you, not fuzzy.
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Try to remeber that when I am talking to OTHER people, not to YOU. It goes both ways, you know.

as for the holes drilled, see here:

Prior to surgery, a small portion of hair is shaved around the ear to be implanted. A small seat is created in the mastoid bone to hold the receiver/stimulator and protect it. The surgeon drills through the mastoid bone to the inner ear.
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Cochlear Implant Surgery-- Cochlear Implants -- University of Miami School of Medicine

Cochlear Implants

Cochlear implant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The hole that the receiver is placed on is on the outside of the mastoid bone, and it's about a dime size. THis hole is not THROUGH.

Then a second tiny hole is drilled TROUGH the mastoid bone to instert the coil thru and connect with cochlea.

Ear Surgery Information Center-Cochlear


Fuzzy
 
Angel, don't you ever say that you aren't that smart. You are very smart! It is not your fault that this got so confusing.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Try to remeber that when I am talking to OTHER people, not to YOU. It goes both ways, you know.

as for the holes drilled, see here:



Cochlear Implant Surgery-- Cochlear Implants -- University of Miami School of Medicine

Cochlear Implants

Cochlear implant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The hole that the receiver is placed on is on the outside of the mastoid bone, and it's about a dime size. THis hole is not THROUGH.

Then a second tiny hole is drilled TROUGH the mastoid bone to instert the coil thru and connect with cochlea.

Ear Surgery Information Center-Cochlear


Fuzzy
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Ouch! *rubbing my head*

couldnt help it ..I am sure it is not painful but reading it sounds painful.
 
Angel said:
Yes I know it's not all the way through the skull but I wanted to know if its inside or outside of the skull?....

Bear with me here I aren't that smart....
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Awww :hug: dont say that. It was confusing for me too!! :giggle:
 
Angel said:
I agree, it getting really tiresome....I'm trying to learn something here but I can't when she intend to jump in and making it more diffcult for me to understand what Cloggy and Jillio are trying to say in their posts...
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I can understand what you mean. It's why she is causin' Cloggy and Jillio's posts some confusions and misunderstandings, because of her posts were all over their posts.
 
couldnt help it ..I am sure it is not painful but reading it sounds painful.
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No, I don't think it's very painfull at all. It just look kinda gross and serious.
I am not even sure if the skull - the bone of the skull- have any nerves to feel pain. I know brain doesn't feel pain. The skin incision looks like pretty small cut, not deep at all. Probably no worse than a serious accident with a knife at chopping board..

don't look if you are squeamish:

Video: Minimal Incision Surgery -- Cochlear Implants -- University of Miami School of Medicine

It's very slow, though.

Youtube:
YouTube - Live Surgery: Cochlear Implant to Benefit the Deaf




how it works:
http://www.boystownhospital.org/Media/Cochlear/implant.swf



Fuzzy
 
It is not painful. It is also outpatient. I was in at 6 am and out at 4 pm. I was back at work within a week.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
No, I don't think it's very painfull at all. It just look kinda gross and serious.
I am not even sure if the skull - the bone of the skull- have any nerves to feel pain. I know brain doesn't feel pain. The skin incision looks like pretty small cut, not deep at all. Probably no worse than a serious accident with a knife at chopping board..

don't look if you are squeamish:

Video: Minimal Incision Surgery -- Cochlear Implants -- University of Miami School of Medicine

It's very slow, though.

Youtube:
YouTube - Live Surgery: Cochlear Implant to Benefit the Deaf




how it works:
http://www.boystownhospital.org/Media/Cochlear/implant.swf


I don't know who told you the brain doesn't feel pain, but you need to check your info.

And as far as the incision goes, it cuts not just through skin, as in a cutting board accidnet, but through muscle, as well.
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As is usually the case, the argument has been reduced to semantics. For those of us who are not doctors, when we refer to the skull we usually are referring to the hard bone in our heads that encases and protects the brain. The mastoid bone which is a part of the lower skull is that bump you can actually feel right behind your ears. It is not a hard solid bone such as the skull encasing your brain but rather a honeycombed bone. It is through that bone, the mastoid, that a hole is drilled, better yet, here is a very good description of the cochlear implant surgery from the University of Miami's website:

Cochlear implant surgery lasts about two hours and is performed while the patient is under general anesthesia. Some conditions that may affect the cochlea, such as cochlear ossification (bony growth) or cochlear abnormalities may lengthen the time of surgery. Prior to surgery, a small portion of hair is shaved around the ear to be implanted. A small seat is created in the mastoid bone to hold the receiver/stimulator and protect it. The surgeon drills through the mastoid bone to the inner ear. The electrode array is then inserted into the cochlea. The receiver/stimulator is secured to the skull, and the incision is closed with stitches. Typically, patients return home the day of surgery.

As usual, the anti-ci crowd uses the semantical argument as a scare tactic. From Harlan Lane incorrectly calling cochlear implant surgery "brain surgery" on '60 Minutes' to posters on this forum repeatedly using terms such as "drilling a hole in your skull" or "carving up your skull", they are attempting to create the misimpression that the hole is through the hard bone, which we commonly call the skull, into a person's brain when that is completely erroneous and misleading.

It is through the mastoid folks, plain and simple. Although for most of you anti-ciers you really have nothing to fear for as you repeatedly demonstrate through your posts, even if a surgeon was to drill through your skulls, there is nothing in there for him to damage!
Rick
 
vallee said:
It is not painful. It is also outpatient. I was in at 6 am and out at 4 pm. I was back at work within a week.
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Vallee,

Our daughter after we took her home from the hospital walked into the living room and did a forward roll! She laughed, we almost fainted!
Rick
 
I don't know who told you the brain doesn't feel pain, but you need to check your info.
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actually, the brain tissue itself doesn't feel pain - but IN the brain are located nerve receptors, but that's a little different.
If you open the skull and poke at the pinky "curly" mass, you won't feel a thing. The surgeon can cut any piece of your brain without anesthesia, and you won't feel a thing either.

But if you pinch your body anywhere your brain will receive, process and send signal back to the site.


And as far as the incision goes, it cuts not just through skin, as in a cutting board accidnet, but through muscle, as well.
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Well maybe not exactly indeed, but still the skin behind the ear over mastoid bone is pretty thin, hardly any fat. The cut is not deep.
Although I would still argue if such a cut is impossible in bizzare chopping board accident...

Fuzzy
 
Which method of communication(s) do you think is or are best for those who are deaf children with cochlear implant and stated your reason why.

I voted for total communication, since parents obviously want the child with CI to live in the hearing world... but I said sign language too because I don't want the kid with CI to have a hard time being in the deaf world later on if there was no knowledge of sign language beforehand, if she or he chose to be in deaf world later on, and it would be good for the parents to be involved in the sign language aspect too.

I see it this way.. if the parents do the CI and leave sign language out of the picture completely (they do not learn sign language and do not encourage the kid to learn it), the kid may choose eventually to interact in the deaf community and learn sign language.. and parents may not understand this part in the kid's life (no one can stay a child forever), and get left out somehow.
 
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