Which Choices of Communication should Hearing parents use for their implanted child?

[InTheGenes]

Finally you got it right... without insinuating that a hole is drilled through the skull.. Wasn't too difficult - was it?

I'll admit I'm VERY behind the curve when it comes to knowledge about cochlear implantation surgery... but isn't a hole drilled into the mastoid bone of the skull? Thus, doesn't that mean that a hole IS drilled into the skull?

Plus, in this article: Cochlear Implant Surgery, they explain:

Making the Cut
An incision is made and the skin and tissue flap is lifted so that the surgeon can drill into the skull bone behind the ear. A receiver is placed into the drilled-out area and an electrode array is inserted into the cochlea.

Now I'm confused...

 

[Maria]

Ahh, now who's bein' honest about drillin' in a hole ? Thought someone knew when a doctor explained its prodecure ( sp ? ) before went ahead to have a surgery on a deaf child ?

Cloggy, are you in denial about this ?

 

[Cloggy]

........ Cloggy, are you in denial about this ?

Look here:

Finally you got it right... without insinuating that a hole is drilled through the skull.. Wasn't too difficult - was it?

So I allready confirmed that it is correct.
The issue is: There is NOT a hole THROUGH the skull. That's where all this started. Jillio insinuated that there was still a hole through the skull to reach the cochlea...
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[Cloggy]

......MODS: PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT I SPECIFFICALLYREQUESTED THAT CLOGGY ADDRESS ME USING MY SCREENNAME, AND SINCE THAT REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE, HE HAS REFUSED TO COMPLY AND HAS ALSO ADDRESSED BY NOT ONLY AS LOVEY, LOVIE, BUT ALSO AS J.T.

ssssst

 

[jillio]

I'll admit I'm VERY behind the curve when it comes to knowledge about cochlear implantation surgery... but isn't a hole drilled into the mastoid bone of the skull? Thus, doesn't that mean that a hole IS drilled into the skull?

Plus, in this article: Cochlear Implant Surgery, they explain:



Now I'm confused...

You are exactly right, InTheGenes. And that is exactly what I have asserted all along. The mastoid bone is a part of the skull. And, if it is necessary to reach the middle portion of the ear, it is necessary to have an opening, i.e.....a hole is drilled to create the opening necessary to reach the middle ear.

 

[jillio]

Ahh, now who's bein' honest about drillin' in a hole ? Thought someone knew when a doctor explained its prodecure ( sp ? ) before went ahead to have a surgery on a deaf child ?

Cloggy, are you in denial about this ?

No, maria, he is not in denial. He is simply attempting to twist words in order to minimize the invasiveness of the surgery in order to promote his own specific viewpoint......implantation. How is that making sure that parents have correct information. He is not in the least concerned about what is correct, he is only concerned in promoting his narrow view.

 

[Maria]

No, maria, he is not in denial. He is simply attempting to twist words in order to minimize the invasiveness of the surgery in order to promote his own specific viewpoint......implantation. How is that making sure that parents have correct information. He is not in the least concerned about what is correct, he is only concerned in promoting his narrow view.

Right, I've noticed that.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

No, maria, he is not in denial. He is simply attempting to twist words in order to minimize the invasiveness of the surgery in order to promote his own specific viewpoint......implantation. How is that making sure that parents have correct information. He is not in the least concerned about what is correct, he is only concerned in promoting his narrow view

Jillio. NO SUCH THING- "twisting", "minimize the invasiveness".

Cloggy simply CORRECTED wrong assumption about the hole being drilled THROUGH the skull.
And this is in plain view for everyone to see.

The issue is: There is NOT a hole THROUGH the skull. That's where all this started. Jillio insinuated that there was still a hole through the skull to reach the cochlea...

if anybody is trying to cover mistake, it's YOU.


Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

How is that making sure that parents have correct information. He is not in the least concerned about what is correct, he is only concerned in promoting his narrow view.

And YOURS is NOT narrow? Cloggy promotes everything - CI, HAs, ASL, deaf culture, hearing enviroment. what about you?

Fuzzy

 

[Maria]

Jillio. NO SUCH THING- "twisting", "minimize the invasiveness".

Cloggy simply CORRECTED wrong assumption about the hole being drilled THROUGH the skull.
And this is in plain view for everyone to see.




if anybody is trying to cover mistake, it's YOU.


Fuzzy

Hey Fuzzy - you need to stop jumpin' on her back for her statement directly to someone else. She is talkin' to me, not you. Ok ? You need to back off for awhile and give some ADers some slack.

I know that Jillio DID stated that all along. She wasn't makin' a mistake.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Hey Fuzzy - you need to stop jumpin' on her back for her statement directly to someone else.

Jill is jumping on MY back two, three times at least for my ONE statements to someone else. Why don't you advise her the same? hmm?

Fuzzy

 

[Angel]

Boy you guys are confusing me more and more , I have only one question, which is it? drilling through the skull or drilling on the outside of the skull? ...

 

[Tousi]

Boy you guys are confusing me more and more , I have only one question, which is it? drilling through the skull or drilling on the outside of the skull? ...

I believe there's drilling on bone attached to the skull to make a depression, some room for the device but NOT all the way THROUGH the skull.

 

[jillio]

Jillio. NO SUCH THING- "twisting", "minimize the invasiveness".

Cloggy simply CORRECTED wrong assumption about the hole being drilled THROUGH the skull.
And this is in plain view for everyone to see.




if anybody is trying to cover mistake, it's YOU.


Fuzzy

Did I pull your chain? I believe I was addressing maria.

 

[Angel]

Hey Fuzzy - you need to stop jumpin' on her back for her statement directly to someone else. She is talkin' to me, not you. Ok ? You need to back off for awhile and give some ADers some slack.

I know that Jillio DID stated that all along. She wasn't makin' a mistake.

I agree, it getting really tiresome....I'm trying to learn something here but I can't when she intend to jump in and making it more diffcult for me to understand what Cloggy and Jillio are trying to say in their posts...

 

[Gemma]

I believe there's drilling on bone attached to the skull to make a depression, some room for the device but NOT all the way THROUGH the skull.

Correct Tousi - that is what happened to me.

 

[Angel]

I believe there's drilling on bone attached to the skull to make a depression, some room for the device but NOT all the way THROUGH the skull.

Yes I know it's not all the way through the skull but I wanted to know if its inside or outside of the skull?....

Bear with me here I aren't that smart....

 

[jillio]

Hey Fuzzy - you need to stop jumpin' on her back for her statement directly to someone else. She is talkin' to me, not you. Ok ? You need to back off for awhile and give some ADers some slack.

I know that Jillio DID stated that all along. She wasn't makin' a mistake.

Thank you, maria. That is exactly waht I stated all along. And you are also right that I was talking to you, not fuzzy.

 

[Tousi]

Correct Tousi - that is what happened to me.

Thank you, Gemma for your response and may your journey be blessed; do all your mappings and work hard. I hope you have a good audie which is key.

 

[jillio]

I agree, it getting really tiresome....I'm trying to learn something here but I can't when she intend to jump in and making it more diffcult for me to understand what Cloggy and Jillio are trying to say in their posts...

Let me try to say this one more time. Thee is bone removed in the skull to create a depression. Then there is a small hole drilled through the mastiod bone, which is actually apart of the skull, to reach the middle ear.