When Gas hits $4 a Gallon ill bet you the media wouldnt criticize Obama

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rolling7 said:
IYO !

IMO nine months is enough time to have a baby, not enough time to root out sleeper cells and stop WTC. These sleeper cells became deeply imbedded under Clinton.
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links? source?
 
rolling7 said:
IYO !

IMO nine months is enough time to have a baby, not enough time to root out sleeper cells and stop WTC. These sleeper cells became deeply imbedded under Clinton.
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vital information on terrorists who flew into WTC was ignored and this happened under Bush Administration.

and what makes you think nine months is not enough to stop them? you must be an expert in this domestic terrorism.
 
Jiro said:
vital information on terrorists who flew into WTC was ignored and this happened under Bush Administration.

and what makes you think nine months is not enough to stop them? you must be an expert in this domestic terrorism.
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Any one ever noticed Bush didn't look surprised or shocked at all when he was told about the plane hitting the tower?

Maybe 'cause of Susan Lindauer.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/lindauer/
 
DeafCaroline said:
Any one ever noticed Bush didn't look surprised or shocked at all when he was told about the plane hitting the tower?

Maybe 'cause of Susan Lindauer.

Susan Lindauer | Veterans Today
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Jiro said:
vital information on terrorists who flew into WTC was ignored and this happened under Bush Administration.

and what makes you think nine months is not enough to stop them? you must be an expert in this domestic terrorism.
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The way you worded your post is agreeing with me that the sleeper cells did become deeply imbedded under Clinton. So if you want to blame Bush, so be it. But try, really try, to play fair and blame Clinton equally.
 
The gas question isn't about the price. It's about how much it takes of your discretionary income, that's the problem. Gas itself is no longer a cost efficient fuel and needs to be replaced.

Speculation drives the market not supply and demand(so much) so, yes, the prices you see are not real. Do you actually think there were millions more cars in India last year and then those people just gave them up forcing the price down? It doesn't work that way. It should, but it doesn't.
 
rolling7 said:
First, there is the IMO...so I'm not using a link nor a source.
Second, I thought the whole time that you were the history major.
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I am a history major but I know you're not so hence, I am curious where you are getting your information from.
 
DeafCaroline said:
I am a history major but I know you're not so hence, I am curious where you are getting your information from.
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Same place you are getting yours....MM
This is because the books of history have not been written about the sleeper cells yet.
Yes, much has been discovered and what is known about the individual players and where they got their support from is still being investigated but history has not been written as of yet. Nevertheless, what is known is these players came into America and inbedded under Clinton. What is part of history already is the fact that Clinton cut spending to the important agencies. Yes, Clinton did order the agencies to investigate the terroristic organizations but tied one hand behind the back of the agencies.
 
rolling7 said:
IYO !

IMO nine months is enough time to have a baby, not enough time to root out sleeper cells and stop WTC. These sleeper cells became deeply imbedded under Clinton.
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7 months and 3 weeks
 
rolling7 said:
The way you worded your post is agreeing with me that the sleeper cells did become deeply imbedded under Clinton. So if you want to blame Bush, so be it. But try, really try, to play fair and blame Clinton equally.
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rolling7 said:
First, there is the IMO...so I'm not using a link nor a source.
Second, I thought the whole time that you were the history major.
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rolling7 said:
Same place you are getting yours....MM
This is because the books of history have not been written about the sleeper cells yet.
Yes, much has been discovered and what is known about the individual players and where they got their support from is still being investigated but history has not been written as of yet. Nevertheless, what is known is these players came into America and inbedded under Clinton. What is part of history already is the fact that Clinton cut spending to the important agencies. Yes, Clinton did order the agencies to investigate the terroristic organizations but tied one hand behind the back of the agencies.
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so... "IMO" and MM... which one?

in other words - you're blowing smoke out of your ass about this so-called sleeper cells and such?
 
Jiro said:
so... "IMO" and MM... which one?

in other words - you're blowing smoke out of your ass about this so-called sleeper cells and such?
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He's just repeating catchphrases and buzzwords without really knowing the story or context for them.
 
TXgolfer said:
Meh, I'm glad he didn't panic in a room full of school kids. That wouldn't be the sign of a good leader.
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Are you glad the Secret Serive didn't whisk him away to safety? There was an airport a short distance away, after all. :roll:
 
DeafCaroline said:
Any one ever noticed Bush didn't look surprised or shocked at all when he was told about the plane hitting the tower?...
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Maybe because he had self control and isn't an "OMG" panicky type of person.

Does it occur to anyone that if Bush was part of a conspiracy, he would have acted more surprised? Wouldn't that be part of the plan?
 
Jiro said:
so... "IMO" and MM... which one?

in other words - you're blowing smoke out of your ass about this so-called sleeper cells and such?
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I read/watch MM and then it becomes IMO. Is that not the way you and TWA also do it?
 
Reba said:
Maybe because he had self control and isn't an "OMG" panicky type of person.

Does it occur to anyone that if Bush was part of a conspiracy, he would have acted more surprised? Wouldn't that be part of the plan?
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Didn't say he was part of a conspiracy - but definitely saying he knew fully well before the attacks on the WTC that the Taliban were planning those attacks. USA was then the most powerful country in the world with a very extensive worldwide intelligence network.

PBS did a timeline on this: Timeline - Al Qaeda's Global Context | The Man Who Knew | FRONTLINE | PBS

secondly, everyone in the world had an OMG reaction to the breaking news of WTC's attacks. but not Bush. Very telling.

Here's something else to think about - Bush had investments in Middle Eastern oil backed by the bin Ladens. Price of oil escalated after the attacks on WTC.

And George Bush had already planned to launch a war on Iraq before 9/11 because Iraq had a "destabilizing influence on flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East and that he decided US military intervention would be needed."

The source is this: Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC). I quote from their pdf " Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has."

Also, at that time there were concerns about worldwide shortages on oil, and the Pentagon had great concerns about Saddam switching off access to Middle Eastern oil as political leverage and the Pentagon was greatly urging military intervention to protect US' stakes in oil.

At this time, George Bush Sr had investments in Carlyle - who was later one of the biggest defense contractors in the Iraq war. Bush Jr allowed no bidding on those contracts.

In 1998, Haliburton sent parts to Saddam to fix his oil plants that were damaged during the Kuwait invasion. Analysts at that time recommended investing in Haliburton for they would make a huge profit cleaning up after a US-led war on Iraq.

They predicted correctly. And guess who was chief executive officer of Haliburton? Dick Cheney. And did Haliburton make a killing after war was launched on Saddam? Well, I took the liberty of looking up the history of Haliburton and whoa! In January 2002, Haliburton shares were $4.30 each. In May of 2008, they went up to $53.07 That is a 1200% increase in price.

So, that means if you had invested say 1 million into Haliburton shares at $4.30 a share, you would have made a very nice profit of 12 million in May 2008.

As for George Bush Jr himself - his own personal investments in oil is very revealing: he owned shares in Arbusto that nearly went bust. Arbusto was bought out by Spectrum 7 Energy. Spectrum 7 Energy also nearly collapsed. Spectrum 7 was then bought out by Harken. This is where it gets interesting:

Harken bought out Bush's Spectrum 7 shares and in exchange gave him Harken shares, directorship and consulting arrangement. Who was brought on board Harken? A sheik from Saudi Arabia who had ties to bin Laden. something else: According to SEC filings in 1991 - Bush violated federal securities laws at least 4 times by selling Harken stocks while serving as Director of Harken. This matter was quietly swept under the rug because his father was President of the US at the time.

Martha Stewart was accused of the same violations yet she went to prison.

Furthermore, Harken, MCI and Haliburton who received the biggest contracts in Iraq had all been found in violation or implicated in some of the biggest corporate scandals in US history.

All this to say, yeah, no wonder Bush didn't look surprised when he heard about the attacks on WTC. He knew long before the attacks happened that the Taliban were planning to use airplanes as weapons and he knew very very very well as an oil man what that meant in terms of profits for him, his friends and family. He did eventually either sell off his stocks or put them in a blind trust but it cannot be denied that cronyism was very much a huge huge part of the war on Iraq.

So, while your tax dollars funded this war, the top 1% said thanks for making us billions, sorry about your economy collapsing. If you're not happy about it, blame Obama. :)
 
rolling7 said:
I read/watch MM and then it becomes IMO. Is that not the way you and TWA also do it?
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nope not me. I do not draw a wild conspiracy theory to blame somebody.
 
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