What do you agree that Sex-offender parents pose dilemma for schools?

[jillio]

The court doesn't look at it that way. The court will ask: why didn't mom/dad help the daughter urinate? Is mom/dad/ shirking their responsibility of being parent?

The problem now a days is that people don't want to be held accountable for their own actions.

The simplest solution is don't break the law.

Mom and Dad shirking their responsibility does not make brother a sex offender. Charge the parents with neglect and child endangerment, if that is what is occurring.

 

[jillio]

If you don't like the system, then don't get in trouble with the system. It's that simple.

If you have been in trouble witht he system before and don't like it, how would you improve it? (Please use this question on the other thread.)

I have already stated what IMO needs to be done as a start.

It is not about me getting in trouble with the system. It is about me having concern for my fellow man, woman, and child that is unfairly and unjustly treated in the justice system. It is the simple fact that if it can happen to another, it can also happen to me. To sit back and say, "well, it isn't me so I don't need to worry about it" is exactly the kind of apathy that allows the inequities to continue. I make a concerted effort not to be so self involved and egocentric that I cannot see and relate to the difficutlies of others, and I make a concerted effort not to ignore that which is unfair and unjust simply because ignoring it is the easy thing to do.

 

[Bear]

You say simple dont get in trouble with the law right? What if trouble comes looking for you? Staying out of trouble is sometimes alot easier said than done.


Like you said the small town good ole boy mentatlity applies in almost any town.

The only reason why Rodney King got a fair trial was videotape evidence. And for OJ money is what got him off! Remember the Dream Team? If I had the *Dream Team* for my son, we may not be where we are now.

Byrdie, when it comes to you, I really don't know what to think? I have seen several of your posts here in AD, and from the moment you stepped foot in here, you were telling people what to do.

Are you really that self-involved that you can't see the heartache this justice system causes? Are you really that self-involved that you can't care for anyone but yourself?

This thread is not only about the justice system and sex-offender statuses, this thread is also about compassion. We as a society, are losing compassion for our fellow men. That is extremely sad to see that erosion taking place.

Everyone has the attitude, it's not my problem, let someone else take care of it. Well, sadly it is our problem. It affects society and the world we live in. If everyone got off the *it's not my problem* kick then we could be a great force in turning this world around.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Good movie but that is all it is: a movie.

The system is not racist.

Really?

Racism and Human Rights: Racism and the Administration of Justice

OJ Simpson got a fair trial. Rodney King got a fair trial.

I can´t say anything about Rodney King because I don´t know him.

I can say something about OJ Simpson because I know him. I guess they would sentence him to death if he is not rich and well-known. I do not agree with US justice system for let Jurors to decide either OJ Simpson is guilty or not. US Justice system should hire experts to help judge´s decision, not listen jurors´s decision.

 

[Angel]

You say simple dont get in trouble with the law right? What if trouble comes looking for you? Staying out of trouble is sometimes alot easier said than done.


Like you said the small town good ole boy mentatlity applies in almost any town.

The only reason why Rodney King got a fair trial was videotape evidence. And for OJ money is what got him off! Remember the Dream Team? If I had the *Dream Team* for my son, we may not be where we are now.

Byrdie, when it comes to you, I really don't know what to think? I have seen several of your posts here in AD, and from the moment you stepped foot in here, you were telling people what to do.

Are you really that self-involved that you can't see the heartache this justice system causes? Are you really that self-involved that you can't care for anyone but yourself?

This thread is not only about the justice system and sex-offender statuses, this thread is also about compassion. We as a society, are losing compassion for our fellow men. That is extremely sad to see that erosion taking place.

Everyone has the attitude, it's not my problem, let someone else take care of it. Well, sadly it is our problem. It affects society and the world we live in. If everyone got off the *it's not my problem* kick then we could be a great force in turning this world around.

Yeppers that what I'm seeing also. btw good posting as always Bear!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The court doesn't look at it that way. The court will ask: why didn't mom/dad help the daughter urinate? Is mom/dad/ shirking their responsibility of being parent?

The problem now a days is that people don't want to be held accountable for their own actions.

The simplest solution is don't break the law.

:jaw: I see nothing wrong to have siblings to help each other. I allow my boys to help each other. Its really nothing do with responsiblity but teach children to know what helpful is about.

I do not see anything that a brother broke the law but the neighor is paraniod when she saw him helped his sister urniated.

It´s parent´s business as long as they do not abuse or neglect their children. They want their children to know what helpful is about.

 

[Angel]

Liebling, he doesn't have children yet, so that's explains why..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's because George Holliday had a video recorder on hand to tape the beating on March 3, 1991 without the tape, King wouldn't have got a fair trial.

And for OJ Simpson, you think Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman got fair justice? There was so much DNA evidences proved that he was guilty but the cops didn't do procedures properly and one of them lied, Simpson took advantage and beat the system that's why he got away with the murders..

Yeah, true.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, he doesn't have children yet, so that's explains why..

Ah, that´s what I thought so...

All what I see from his posts is Justice System and law is most important than concern people´s feeling.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

A movie that tells a story about Canton, Mississippi in the 1960's,the Civil Rights era. The court system was merely reflecting America's mood at the time.

To base your opinion of one movie that happend in America during the 1960's on it's court system is ridiculous.

Really?

Again,

Racism and Human Rights: Racism and the Administration of Justice

How would you like it if I based my opinion of Germany on "Schindler's List"?

I don't as it merely is a one small snapshot of one's country history.

I do not deny what and how justice system during Nazi time did to people including Germans, Jews, etc. I accept the fact what Justice System during Nazi time did is very horrible and racist... I often said anything against Nazi and give ADers right.

I support the innoncent people, not Justice System.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Mom and Dad shirking their responsibility does not make brother a sex offender. Charge the parents with neglect and child endangerment, if that is what is occurring.

Yes, they are suppose to charge the parents for neglect their child, not cuffed an innoncent little boy for sex offender.

I personally disagree to charge the parents for neglect their child that´s because they beleive to let their children to learn what the helpful is about. It´s their form of discipline, not government. It would be different story if they abuse or neglect their child in bad way.

 

[jillio]

You say simple dont get in trouble with the law right? What if trouble comes looking for you? Staying out of trouble is sometimes alot easier said than done.


Like you said the small town good ole boy mentatlity applies in almost any town.

The only reason why Rodney King got a fair trial was videotape evidence. And for OJ money is what got him off! Remember the Dream Team? If I had the *Dream Team* for my son, we may not be where we are now.

Byrdie, when it comes to you, I really don't know what to think? I have seen several of your posts here in AD, and from the moment you stepped foot in here, you were telling people what to do.

Are you really that self-involved that you can't see the heartache this justice system causes? Are you really that self-involved that you can't care for anyone but yourself?

This thread is not only about the justice system and sex-offender statuses, this thread is also about compassion. We as a society, are losing compassion for our fellow men. That is extremely sad to see that erosion taking place.

Everyone has the attitude, it's not my problem, let someone else take care of it. Well, sadly it is our problem. It affects society and the world we live in. If everyone got off the *it's not my problem* kick then we could be a great force in turning this world around.

 

[jillio]

Yes, they are suppose to charge the parents for neglect their child, not cuffed an innoncent little boy for sex offender.

I personally disagree to charge the parents for neglect their child that´s because they beleive to let their children to learn what the helpful is about. It´s their form of discipline, not government. It would be different story if they abuse or neglect their child in bad way.

I don't think that asking an older child to help with younger siblings is neglectful, either, nor is it grounds for charges to be filed. But the previous poster had questioned why the parents weren't helping the child in the bathroom, so that's why I said, "if". So if a parent is being neglectful it is the parent that should be charged, not the child.

 

[jillio]

Liebling, he doesn't have children yet, so that's explains why..

Ahhh.....that explains a lot. Thanks for the information, Angel. Probably doesn't coem from a large family where older siblings changing diapers and taking younger brothers and sisters to the bathroom is done all the time, either.

 

[Byrdie714]

Oh, please! There are so many sociological factors underlying both of those trials that it would take a book to outline them. And you have brought up 2 black men whose trials hardly conform to the norms when you are looking at the trials of black men overall.

If the system is not inherently biased regarding race and SES when it comes to arrest, legal representation, and sentencing, then how is it that you explain that the number of incarcerated black men is far higher than the number of black men in the population as a whole?[/QUOTE]

Many judges nowadays are reluctant to allow the offenders--white or black--back into society for fear of flight. Many offenders have promised the court that they will return for their court date only to skip town. I don't blame the judges for keeping them in jail until court date.

Secondly, many of the people in prison who commit offenses in prison usually have more time tacked on.

 

[Byrdie714]

To defend your position using O.J.Simpson and Rodney King is the same thing.

Comparing the American court system from 40 years ago to the most recent shows how far America has come in terms of race and the court system.

Not bad.

 

[Byrdie714]

You say simple dont get in trouble with the law right? What if trouble comes looking for you? Staying out of trouble is sometimes alot easier said than done.


Like you said the small town good ole boy mentatlity applies in almost any town.

The only reason why Rodney King got a fair trial was videotape evidence. And for OJ money is what got him off! Remember the Dream Team? If I had the *Dream Team* for my son, we may not be where we are now.

Byrdie, when it comes to you, I really don't know what to think? I have seen several of your posts here in AD, and from the moment you stepped foot in here, you were telling people what to do.

Are you really that self-involved that you can't see the heartache this justice system causes? Are you really that self-involved that you can't care for anyone but yourself?

This thread is not only about the justice system and sex-offender statuses, this thread is also about compassion. We as a society, are losing compassion for our fellow men. That is extremely sad to see that erosion taking place.

Everyone has the attitude, it's not my problem, let someone else take care of it. Well, sadly it is our problem. It affects society and the world we live in. If everyone got off the *it's not my problem* kick then we could be a great force in turning this world around.

If trouble is coming your way, do what animals and humans have done for centuries. Fight or flight.

Rodney King not only have the one videotape evidence but 4 videotape evidence of what was being done to him.

I don't tell people what to do because I am not getting paid to tell people what to do. I tell my opinion and that is what I been doing ever since I been in AD in 2005. ( The reason why I haven't been posting for a long time was because I was out of the country.)

The "It's not my problem" attitude has been around for years, just because one person doesn't care about something doesn't mean another person does.

It's a shame that some of the members who are disagreeing about the court system are the same ones that are saying, "Pull out of Iraq!"

 

[Byrdie714]

Liebling, he doesn't have children yet, so that's explains why..

I had a child.

She is 6 feet under.

 

[Angel]

I had a child.

She is 6 feet under.

Oh dear, I'm really sorry, the reason why I say this is because of your post here

 

[jillio]

Oh, please! There are so many sociological factors underlying both of those trials that it would take a book to outline them. And you have brought up 2 black men whose trials hardly conform to the norms when you are looking at the trials of black men overall.

If the system is not inherently biased regarding race and SES when it comes to arrest, legal representation, and sentencing, then how is it that you explain that the number of incarcerated black men is far higher than the number of black men in the population as a whole?[/QUOTE]

Many judges nowadays are reluctant to allow the offenders--white or black--back into society for fear of flight. Many offenders have promised the court that they will return for their court date only to skip town. I don't blame the judges for keeping them in jail until court date.

Keeping them in jail until their court date doesn't have anything to do with my question. So far I've asked it twice, and neither time have you been able to answer it. You keep taliking all around it, but have to give any kind of answer that explains the discrepancies in the arrest, conviction, and incarceration rates.
Secondly, many of the people in prison who commit offenses in prison usually have more time tacked on.

And that doesn't answer the question, either.