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The title says it all, but the definition for this thread, would explain the "Two worlds" of deaf and hearing worlds.

I am about to write a story about my high school years until now, basically about the two worlds, inbetween deaf and hearing people and its culture.

But I would also like to discuss about this to to AD'ers - hearing members of the AD'ers are mostly welcome to discuss and that goes for the deaf people as well. Both are equal.

Questions are below:

Hearing - What was your thoughts when you stepped in the deaf world? Did it impact on you?

Deaf - did you have problems with hearing people during your high school years?

Please feel free to discuss, if you don't want to talk in this thread, please kindly leave the thread. I do not want to see any bashing here, we are here to share our experiences. Thank you!

Sorry mods, if this thread is not in the right section, and if it is a repost, please generously remind me!
 
jcklarke, I have lots to share with you regarding my entrance into the deaf community via my son, but am short on time right now. I will answer later, though.
 
jcklarke, I have lots to share with you regarding my entrance into the deaf community via my son, but am short on time right now. I will answer later, though.

No problem, look forward to hear all about it :)
 
Deaf - did you have problems with hearing people during your high school years?

Nah, I think I was treated better by hearing people than with deaf people during high school years. I think it depends on situation and people you are meeting so.
 
Deaf - did you have problems with hearing people during your high school years?

Nah, I think I was treated better by hearing people than with deaf people during high school years. I think it depends on situation and people you are meeting so.


Interesting..it was the total opposite for me.
 
For me, it wasn’t too bad at High school, even though I was the only deaf at both institutions. Had more friends there instead of Primary school where I had a couple of friends but they were always attending music lessons during lunch hour where I would just sit under the school twiddling my thumbs or play ball on my own. Primary-aged kids were at that age where they didn’t know better whereas in High School, they’re more aware so hence had 5 friends who included me in most things.

[To me, during those schooling years, it wasn’t the lack of involvement with the hearing, it was trying to lip-read the teachers & trying to understand the text-books. The wordings of the text-books were ‘over my head’ …. too deep to comprehend even though I just passed the exams.]
 
Interesting..it was the total opposite for me.


I know and I bet that is true for many deaf people.

Of course, for me, it depends on what era. He is referring to high school. If he said elementary school I would have said that it's deaf people. If it's college then I would have said it's about the same. Again, it's hard to tell because during college years I am not around people very much especially deaf people. I would assume it would be deaf people who treat me better if I returned to the deaf community again. It depends on who I am and what situation I am in of course. Life is not very predictable, huh?

Environment and people changes throughout the years. I love to be in both worlds and often I would feel torn trying to fit in either one. I felt that it's like deaf people want nothing to do with hearing people and hearing people doesn't care about deaf people. :dizzy:
 
Deaf - did you have problems with hearing people during your high school years?

Nah, I think I was treated better by hearing people than with deaf people during high school years. I think it depends on situation and people you are meeting so.
Same here.

When I was growing up, it was always the hearing students who treated me better than the deaf students.

Out of all the deaf students that I grew up with, there were very few who actually treated me with respect.
 
While I was mainstreamed in the public school it was overall a bad experience. The irony of it was that I was pretty popular with the kids and staff there - I worked and participated in many of the clubs, was on the honor roll and took GT (now I think it is called AP) courses, etc. I won lots of awards and scholarships, including a full scholarship to Harvard. On the surface I was the model student, deaf or hearing, and everyone seemed to receive me well - academically and socially. I was not permitted to use sign language, although my circle of friends made up signs to communicate with me when nobody was watching. Also, I used signing to participate in choir. Other than that I was strictly oral, in an all-oral environment. Even the TV wasn't captioned because they wanted me to use my oral skills and not depend on the captioning (pffft). But inside I was so hurt, frustrated, and very angry. I hated myself. I hated the world that I was thrushed into. I had to work so many hours just to keep up with the pace in the classroom. I worked so hard to be just like the hearing kids in my class. And I was failing even though people kept telling me how wonderful my speech and my grades were. To me those comments were like telling a girl she throws pretty good for a girl.

One day I was presenting a paper at this place to compete for a scholarship. All of the students were deaf, from across the state. I took the time to try to sign the paper for the benefit of the other students who were deaf, but it had been years since I used ASL so I was rusty. But something happened. After the presentations and when we all were seated to eat dinner before the annoucements, etc. I realized something. I actually understood what they were saying. And I wasn't trying so hard.

I am deaf. Like them. And I understood. I belonged, even for a moment. And when I laughed at a joke, it was real - not the fake laugh to pretend I knew what was being said.

I went back to my public school that week but everything was different. I realized that for the entire day I didn't understand one single person. Not one. I stopped fake laughing. I stopped trying so hard to read lips and to catch everything. The next week I was with a select group to fly to Washington, D.C. for one week to learn about the White House and all that. The organization roomed me with deaf students. And I got to use an interpreter for the workshops. I was astounded at how much I was finally able to understand and to finally fully participate in something. That Monday when we all came back to school, I didn't go to my first class. Instead, I emptied my locker. I took my books and walked into the counselor's office. "I quit." I told her flatly. She looked at me, shocked. She tried to reassure me, but I was adamant about my decision. I offiically dropped out of high school, with a GPA of 4.0. I quit not only school. I quit pretending to be hearing or to act like a hearing person.

My parents, teachers, and the poor shocked counselor decided it was a phase that I was going through, so they would give me a few days to get myself together. A few days became a week...then 2 weeks...and then a month. I was serious. Finally several of my teachers came to my house to meet with me, along with the counselor. They all were in tears, wanting to know what was wrong with me. So I explained to them about my perspective of a deaf student in all hearing school. I told them if they wanted me to get a dipolma, it must read *the name of the deaf school in my home state*. So finally I was admitted to the deaf school (which at first they didn't let me in because my grades were too good - I had to fight my way in) and those last two years were the best years of my life. I finally belonged. I was finally deaf. And it was okay. Ironically in spite of all the years of using my voice to speak, it was at the deaf school when I finally found my true voice.

(Sorry, this was a bit longer than I meant for it to be).
 
While I was mainstreamed in the public school it was overall a bad experience. The irony of it was that I was pretty popular with the kids and staff there - I worked and participated in many of the clubs, was on the honor roll and took GT (now I think it is called AP) courses, etc. I won lots of awards and scholarships, including a full scholarship to Harvard. On the surface I was the model student, deaf or hearing, and everyone seemed to receive me well - academically and socially. I was not permitted to use sign language, although my circle of friends made up signs to communicate with me when nobody was watching. Also, I used signing to participate in choir. Other than that I was strictly oral, in an all-oral environment. Even the TV wasn't captioned because they wanted me to use my oral skills and not depend on the captioning (pffft). But inside I was so hurt, frustrated, and very angry. I hated myself. I hated the world that I was thrushed into. I had to work so many hours just to keep up with the pace in the classroom. I worked so hard to be just like the hearing kids in my class. And I was failing even though people kept telling me how wonderful my speech and my grades were. To me those comments were like telling a girl she throws pretty good for a girl.

One day I was presenting a paper at this place to compete for a scholarship. All of the students were deaf, from across the state. I took the time to try to sign the paper for the benefit of the other students who were deaf, but it had been years since I used ASL so I was rusty. But something happened. After the presentations and when we all were seated to eat dinner before the annoucements, etc. I realized something. I actually understood what they were saying. And I wasn't trying so hard.

I am deaf. Like them. And I understood. I belonged, even for a moment. And when I laughed at a joke, it was real - not the fake laugh to pretend I knew what was being said.

I went back to my public school that week but everything was different. I realized that for the entire day I didn't understand one single person. Not one. I stopped fake laughing. I stopped trying so hard to read lips and to catch everything. The next week I was with a select group to fly to Washington, D.C. for one week to learn about the White House and all that. The organization roomed me with deaf students. And I got to use an interpreter for the workshops. I was astounded at how much I was finally able to understand and to finally fully participate in something. That Monday when we all came back to school, I didn't go to my first class. Instead, I emptied my locker. I took my books and walked into the counselor's office. "I quit." I told her flatly. She looked at me, shocked. She tried to reassure me, but I was adamant about my decision. I offiically dropped out of high school, with a GPA of 4.0. I quit not only school. I quit pretending to be hearing or to act like a hearing person.

My parents, teachers, and the poor shocked counselor decided it was a phase that I was going through, so they would give me a few days to get myself together. A few days became a week...then 2 weeks...and then a month. I was serious. Finally several of my teachers came to my house to meet with me, along with the counselor. They all were in tears, wanting to know what was wrong with me. So I explained to them about my perspective of a deaf student in all hearing school. I told them if they wanted me to get a dipolma, it must read *the name of the deaf school in my home state*. So finally I was admitted to the deaf school (which at first they didn't let me in because my grades were too good - I had to fight my way in) and those last two years were the best years of my life. I finally belonged. I was finally deaf. And it was okay. Ironically in spite of all the years of using my voice to speak, it was at the deaf school when I finally found my true voice.

(Sorry, this was a bit longer than I meant for it to be).



deafbajagal, I gotta say.....WOW! That's really incredible story you have to say! Some parts, has occured to me too. But my story will have to wait, it is pretty long than you think. But, that's some story, deafbajagal!
 
While I was mainstreamed in the public school it was overall a bad experience. The irony of it was that I was pretty popular with the kids and staff there - I worked and participated in many of the clubs, was on the honor roll and took GT (now I think it is called AP) courses, etc. I won lots of awards and scholarships, including a full scholarship to Harvard. On the surface I was the model student, deaf or hearing, and everyone seemed to receive me well - academically and socially. I was not permitted to use sign language, although my circle of friends made up signs to communicate with me when nobody was watching. Also, I used signing to participate in choir. Other than that I was strictly oral, in an all-oral environment. Even the TV wasn't captioned because they wanted me to use my oral skills and not depend on the captioning (pffft). But inside I was so hurt, frustrated, and very angry. I hated myself. I hated the world that I was thrushed into. I had to work so many hours just to keep up with the pace in the classroom. I worked so hard to be just like the hearing kids in my class. And I was failing even though people kept telling me how wonderful my speech and my grades were. To me those comments were like telling a girl she throws pretty good for a girl.

One day I was presenting a paper at this place to compete for a scholarship. All of the students were deaf, from across the state. I took the time to try to sign the paper for the benefit of the other students who were deaf, but it had been years since I used ASL so I was rusty. But something happened. After the presentations and when we all were seated to eat dinner before the annoucements, etc. I realized something. I actually understood what they were saying. And I wasn't trying so hard.

I am deaf. Like them. And I understood. I belonged, even for a moment. And when I laughed at a joke, it was real - not the fake laugh to pretend I knew what was being said.

I went back to my public school that week but everything was different. I realized that for the entire day I didn't understand one single person. Not one. I stopped fake laughing. I stopped trying so hard to read lips and to catch everything. The next week I was with a select group to fly to Washington, D.C. for one week to learn about the White House and all that. The organization roomed me with deaf students. And I got to use an interpreter for the workshops. I was astounded at how much I was finally able to understand and to finally fully participate in something. That Monday when we all came back to school, I didn't go to my first class. Instead, I emptied my locker. I took my books and walked into the counselor's office. "I quit." I told her flatly. She looked at me, shocked. She tried to reassure me, but I was adamant about my decision. I offiically dropped out of high school, with a GPA of 4.0. I quit not only school. I quit pretending to be hearing or to act like a hearing person.

My parents, teachers, and the poor shocked counselor decided it was a phase that I was going through, so they would give me a few days to get myself together. A few days became a week...then 2 weeks...and then a month. I was serious. Finally several of my teachers came to my house to meet with me, along with the counselor. They all were in tears, wanting to know what was wrong with me. So I explained to them about my perspective of a deaf student in all hearing school. I told them if they wanted me to get a dipolma, it must read *the name of the deaf school in my home state*. So finally I was admitted to the deaf school (which at first they didn't let me in because my grades were too good - I had to fight my way in) and those last two years were the best years of my life. I finally belonged. I was finally deaf. And it was okay. Ironically in spite of all the years of using my voice to speak, it was at the deaf school when I finally found my true voice.

(Sorry, this was a bit longer than I meant for it to be).

That is exactly what happend to all Deaf/HOH students who have struggle trying to understand what is being said in the classroom. That is why many hearing authorities just don't get it and we are very unhappy with the oral only method. You have just said it all in your thread.

:gpost: That really answer the question of "Do you have problems during high school years?".

As for me, I had a hard time trying to understand in the mainstream classroom with no interpreters and no notetakers. I did not get a good grades like A+ or B+. All I ever got is a D+ or D-. I tried with no avail to have the principal to let us have sign language teacher in the special education classroom and to have interpreters in our regular classroom. I don't remember making much friends with hearing students very well. I was pretty lonely and I have deaf friends who were students in our special education classroom. We, the Deaf students, want soooo badly to have English sign language and later ASL in our lives. No one should never let us suffer through the oral only methods. The hearing people never understand anything about how we feel and know what it is like to be deaf. They never talk with us or ask us questions about our feeling with the hearing school instead of Deaf school whether a Deaf institution or Deaf day school. When I went to Seattle Central Community College in Seattle, Washington with the Deaf program. That college really open door for me to be in the deaf community and to have intepreters for all of my classes including notetakers. I had a great time with Deaf friends at the dormitory. Those are good memories. Just a few hearing friends outside of the school. I think. :)
 
I was first officially introduced into the deaf culture when I started taking ASL classes a year ago. I had a really good teacher who has a lot of friends in the deaf community and works as an interpreter, etc. She not only taught us asl but also introduced us to the deaf culture. I had originally been taking classes at my church but didn't continue in them because they were geared toward small children, and I am in college. So I signed up for classes and haven't looked back!

I have realized, with the relatively little exposure I have had, that the deaf culture is much like the hearing in that each person is different. I can't be ignorant and think that if one deaf person feels a certain way then they must all feel that way too:) I realize that isn't so!

Jclarke, if you want to know anything else just ask:)
 
While I was mainstreamed in the public school it was overall a bad experience. The irony of it was that I was pretty popular with the kids and staff there - I worked and participated in many of the clubs, was on the honor roll and took GT (now I think it is called AP) courses, etc. I won lots of awards and scholarships, including a full scholarship to Harvard. On the surface I was the model student, deaf or hearing, and everyone seemed to receive me well - academically and socially. I was not permitted to use sign language, although my circle of friends made up signs to communicate with me when nobody was watching. Also, I used signing to participate in choir. Other than that I was strictly oral, in an all-oral environment. Even the TV wasn't captioned because they wanted me to use my oral skills and not depend on the captioning (pffft). But inside I was so hurt, frustrated, and very angry. I hated myself. I hated the world that I was thrushed into. I had to work so many hours just to keep up with the pace in the classroom. I worked so hard to be just like the hearing kids in my class. And I was failing even though people kept telling me how wonderful my speech and my grades were. To me those comments were like telling a girl she throws pretty good for a girl.

One day I was presenting a paper at this place to compete for a scholarship. All of the students were deaf, from across the state. I took the time to try to sign the paper for the benefit of the other students who were deaf, but it had been years since I used ASL so I was rusty. But something happened. After the presentations and when we all were seated to eat dinner before the annoucements, etc. I realized something. I actually understood what they were saying. And I wasn't trying so hard.

I am deaf. Like them. And I understood. I belonged, even for a moment. And when I laughed at a joke, it was real - not the fake laugh to pretend I knew what was being said.

I went back to my public school that week but everything was different. I realized that for the entire day I didn't understand one single person. Not one. I stopped fake laughing. I stopped trying so hard to read lips and to catch everything. The next week I was with a select group to fly to Washington, D.C. for one week to learn about the White House and all that. The organization roomed me with deaf students. And I got to use an interpreter for the workshops. I was astounded at how much I was finally able to understand and to finally fully participate in something. That Monday when we all came back to school, I didn't go to my first class. Instead, I emptied my locker. I took my books and walked into the counselor's office. "I quit." I told her flatly. She looked at me, shocked. She tried to reassure me, but I was adamant about my decision. I offiically dropped out of high school, with a GPA of 4.0. I quit not only school. I quit pretending to be hearing or to act like a hearing person.

My parents, teachers, and the poor shocked counselor decided it was a phase that I was going through, so they would give me a few days to get myself together. A few days became a week...then 2 weeks...and then a month. I was serious. Finally several of my teachers came to my house to meet with me, along with the counselor. They all were in tears, wanting to know what was wrong with me. So I explained to them about my perspective of a deaf student in all hearing school. I told them if they wanted me to get a dipolma, it must read *the name of the deaf school in my home state*. So finally I was admitted to the deaf school (which at first they didn't let me in because my grades were too good - I had to fight my way in) and those last two years were the best years of my life. I finally belonged. I was finally deaf. And it was okay. Ironically in spite of all the years of using my voice to speak, it was at the deaf school when I finally found my true voice.

(Sorry, this was a bit longer than I meant for it to be).

Wow! I wish I had fought harder to get into the deaf school when I expressed my desire to get in. I was told that I was too smart. I learned that it was a big lie to keep me in the mainstreamed program.

Everything u described was exactly what I did to "fake" thru my years as a hearing person.
 
I'm sorry you didn't get to get in. That is such a shame...but at least you got to go to Gally :). I fought very hard to get my foot in the door. They told me that I didn't fit their academic programming. I told them (I was a feisty 10th grader, lol) it was their job to meet the student's needs - not the student's job to meet the school's need. The woman gave me a long look and said, "Welcome to *** School for the Deaf." ;)
 
JDClark..I will post my experiences either tmw or Friday. Smile
 
Okay, here goes. Reflections on a hearing person's journey into Deaf Culture.

I began my journey nearly 22 years ago. Intially, it could be compared to Alice Through the Looking Glass. One day, I walked into The League for the Deaf and HOH, where there was a large gathering of deaf people hanging out, and my whole world was reversed.

My entry into this community was not eased by having a deaf friend to guide me or introduce me to others. I did not have benefit of having a few ASL classes under my belt. I knew absolutely nothing of the language or the people. All I knew was, I had a deaf son, and these people were the only ones that could explain to me what that meant. I walked in, completely exposed and vunerable, unsure of how I would make myself understood, walked up to a couple of deaf chatting on the other side of the room, and said, "Excuse me. I need help." Luckily, both had some oral skills, and they asked me what they could do for me. I explained that I had a young son that, at that moment, was at the preschool behind the league. I explained that I had no experience with deafness, and what I was being told by the professionals regarding his needs simply did not make sense to me. I told them that I wanted to know what it was to be a deaf child, and that they were the only people who could tell me about that, and that I was asking them to help me understand my child and what his world was like.

I remember being anxious and somewhat frightened because I had no idea what to expect, or how my request would be received. I only knew in my heart that this was someting I had to do for my child. It was what I had to do so that I would be able to be the mother my child needed me to be.

My fear did not last long. I was greeted with wide smiles, and a hug from one of the women I had approached. They took me to a table and we sat down to talk. Two hours later, I retrieved my son from preschool, and we returned. They invited me to come back as often as I wanted, and began, that very day, teaching myself and my son the language. I still remember the look on my son's face when he walked into the room, and everyone was signing. His exposure to sign prior to that had been the few signs I had taught myself from a dictionary, and then in turn, taught him. To see the amazement on his face when he realized that there was a place where everyone talked about all kinds of things in a language that was natural for him told me that I had made the right decision.

For a long time afterward, I felt like a child when I went to the league, and the deaf community there were my very patient teachers. I was full of questions. They taught me not just a new language, but about the hearts and the minds of the deaf, and explained to me the experiences that had shaped those hearts and minds. They taught me to see things from a new persepctive.

I have never experienced the rejection from the deaf community that so many hearing parents say they have experienced. I was welcomed with open arms, and was shown patience and understanding for my own lack of understanding. I was the one in the minority in their world. Perhaps it is because I sought to enter their world that I was received so well. I was not asking them to come into my world, but asking that I be allowed into their world. I didn't arrive with answers, I arrived with questions. I didn't seek to justify my own perspective, but to understand from their persepctive. Rather than telling them that they needed my help to get by in this world, as a hearing person, I admitted that I needed their help to get by in a world that I was just discovering through my child.

I have made mistakes on my journey. I have not always been able to place my hearing status aside and not allow it to bias me. But I have been blessed with some patient and understanding deaf friends who have corrected me when I was wrong. In the end, we have ended up meeting each other half way.

After 22 years, I no longer feel like Alice walking through the looking glass. I am quite comfortable within the deaf community. I am still, by all rights, a visitor there, as I am still hearing. I am not deaf, and I will not pretend to know what it is to be deaf. I have only learned to let go of what I know to be true in order to better understand the truth of another. That has been a valuable lesson that carries over into all aspects of my life, and it is a lesson taught me by the deaf community. While I am not deaf, deafness is, in a very real way, a part of my daily existence through my contact with, and friendships with others. And it is a part of my life that I treasure, because it enriches my life in a way that is difficult to describe. I have been blessed with the opportunity to widen my world, to experience things from a perspective that allows me to see more than just what is on the surface. And the deaf community is responsible for helping me to learn that.
 
While I was mainstreamed in the public school it was overall a bad experience. The irony of it was that I was pretty popular with the kids and staff there - I worked and participated in many of the clubs, was on the honor roll and took GT (now I think it is called AP) courses, etc. I won lots of awards and scholarships, including a full scholarship to Harvard. On the surface I was the model student, deaf or hearing, and everyone seemed to receive me well - academically and socially. I was not permitted to use sign language, although my circle of friends made up signs to communicate with me when nobody was watching. Also, I used signing to participate in choir. Other than that I was strictly oral, in an all-oral environment. Even the TV wasn't captioned because they wanted me to use my oral skills and not depend on the captioning (pffft). But inside I was so hurt, frustrated, and very angry. I hated myself. I hated the world that I was thrushed into. I had to work so many hours just to keep up with the pace in the classroom. I worked so hard to be just like the hearing kids in my class. And I was failing even though people kept telling me how wonderful my speech and my grades were. To me those comments were like telling a girl she throws pretty good for a girl.

One day I was presenting a paper at this place to compete for a scholarship. All of the students were deaf, from across the state. I took the time to try to sign the paper for the benefit of the other students who were deaf, but it had been years since I used ASL so I was rusty. But something happened. After the presentations and when we all were seated to eat dinner before the annoucements, etc. I realized something. I actually understood what they were saying. And I wasn't trying so hard.

I am deaf. Like them. And I understood. I belonged, even for a moment. And when I laughed at a joke, it was real - not the fake laugh to pretend I knew what was being said.

I went back to my public school that week but everything was different. I realized that for the entire day I didn't understand one single person. Not one. I stopped fake laughing. I stopped trying so hard to read lips and to catch everything. The next week I was with a select group to fly to Washington, D.C. for one week to learn about the White House and all that. The organization roomed me with deaf students. And I got to use an interpreter for the workshops. I was astounded at how much I was finally able to understand and to finally fully participate in something. That Monday when we all came back to school, I didn't go to my first class. Instead, I emptied my locker. I took my books and walked into the counselor's office. "I quit." I told her flatly. She looked at me, shocked. She tried to reassure me, but I was adamant about my decision. I offiically dropped out of high school, with a GPA of 4.0. I quit not only school. I quit pretending to be hearing or to act like a hearing person.

My parents, teachers, and the poor shocked counselor decided it was a phase that I was going through, so they would give me a few days to get myself together. A few days became a week...then 2 weeks...and then a month. I was serious. Finally several of my teachers came to my house to meet with me, along with the counselor. They all were in tears, wanting to know what was wrong with me. So I explained to them about my perspective of a deaf student in all hearing school. I told them if they wanted me to get a dipolma, it must read *the name of the deaf school in my home state*. So finally I was admitted to the deaf school (which at first they didn't let me in because my grades were too good - I had to fight my way in) and those last two years were the best years of my life. I finally belonged. I was finally deaf. And it was okay. Ironically in spite of all the years of using my voice to speak, it was at the deaf school when I finally found my true voice.

(Sorry, this was a bit longer than I meant for it to be).

I truly admire your courage, defbajagal. You are an amazing person.
 
jillio and defbajagal, what an amazing stories!

jillio something about your story made me think a bit. I am curious about the word "visitor." Does that means you will never be part of deaf community or what?

I would think you have become something more than just a "visitor."

What difference is that from people who weren't born in US but become a citizen of US? So when something terrible happened to the country, those people would feel the pain that all other Americans born in US would have.

So when something terrible happened to the deaf community, don't hearing people who love them dearly feel the pain and outrage that deaf people have felt as well?

I understand that a hearing person can't experience what it is like to be deaf person, but I think it's different when compared to deaf community itself. An adopted child may still be adopted child but that doesn't mean the family he have isn't his real family. That's what I am trying to say I guess?

Sorry, I am trying to understand this, but...more I think the more I get confused.
 
jillio and defbajagal, what an amazing stories!

jillio something about your story made me think a bit. I am curious about the word "visitor." Does that means you will never be part of deaf community or what?

I would think you have become something more than just a "visitor."

What difference is that from people who weren't born in US but become a citizen of US? So when something terrible happened to the country, those people would feel the pain that all other Americans born in US would have.

So when something terrible happened to the deaf community, don't hearing people who love them dearly feel the pain and outrage that deaf people have felt as well?

I understand that a hearing person can't experience what it is like to be deaf person, but I think it's different when compared to deaf community itself. An adopted child may still be adopted child but that doesn't mean the family he have isn't his real family. That's what I am trying to say I guess?

Sorry, I am trying to understand this, but...more I think the more I get confused.

I consider myself, after all these years, to be a part of the deaf community, but I will always be a visitor as I am not deaf. I can understand to a great degree, but it is a world that I do not live in the way a deaf person does. I can only seek to understand and share that world.

And, absolutely, I feel the pain and outrage. That community is my son's community, and that community is my friends' community.

I guess by visitor, I meant that I can only share the experiences, but I can't actually live them without being deaf. That doesn't mean that I am any less affected by the discrimination and the prejudice I see directed at the community, nor that I feel any less sadness when I see a deaf child having to struggle without the support of their langauge and their community.
 
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