Trying to find the best school for my Daughter.

[MasterofJune]

It is imperative that my daughter be in a deaf school.

She needs her culture. I also like the BI BI approach that Indiana School for the Deaf institutes.

Until today, I have never heard of cued speech and the definition of it looks strange. It seems to me that she would have to learn a new language? This kind of linguistic immersion would be a possible setback on her education right now, which she doesn't need.

I appreciate looking at all options, and thank Loml for the post. We have looked at all options since she was born. We have looked at deaf schools all over the country, and it seems that Indiana School for the Deaf has the best options, but you never know until you get there and get her going for a semester or so.

Thanks for all the information, and any other suggestions will be appreciated.

 

[jillio]

It is imperative that my daughter be in a deaf school.

She needs her culture. I also like the BI BI approach that Indiana School for the Deaf institutes.

Until today, I have never heard of cued speech and the definition of it looks strange. It seems to me that she would have to learn a new language? This kind of linguistic immersion would be a possible setback on her education right now, which she doesn't need.

I appreciate looking at all options, and thank Loml for the post. We have looked at all options since she was born. We have looked at deaf schools all over the country, and it seems that Indiana School for the Deaf has the best options, but you never know until you get there and get her going for a semester or so.

Thanks for all the information, and any other suggestions will be appreciated.

Bi-Bi is, in my opinion, the best way to go both educationally and for psycho-social development. My son attended St. Rita in Cincinnati and I wa very pleased with the quality of education he received. While it is a Catholic school--not sure of your feelings on a parochial school--they do accept non-Ctholic enrollment. In fact, they accept out of country enrollment, and have a great reputation. Just another suggestion.

 

[rockdrummer]

rockdrummer - Have you ever looked through greatschools.net?

Thanks loml. I checked that site but it includes all schools and not just deaf schools which is what I believe MOJ is looking for. I mentioned the Illinois school because it's in the midwest. I would also be curious if anyone knows about that school. Good or bad it would be nice to know.

 

[Sunshine1]

Hello rockdrummer

Ofc I heard of Illinois school for the deaf but that was many years ago and it was okay. Nowdays I don't know about it then. Have you had tour there to check it out ?

I don't know how old your son is or what grade is he in but what's about Hinsdale South High School in Darien? haha that's where I went for four years and graduated there. It was a very good mainstream school.

does anyone know if the Illinois school for the deaf is any good.

| Illinois School for the Deaf |

 

[deafdyke]

It is obvious that MaterofJune has looked at the Indiana School for the Deaf.

Yes, but what about the OTHER educational options like TC programs, magnet programs etc? It's not surprising that you recommend Cued Speech programs, since you seem to think its a pancea for Deaf education. But yet, previously you said that you're informing parents of ALL the options. Informing MasterofJune of only the Cued Speech programs seems kinda biased.

 

[shel90]

Thanks loml. I checked that site but it includes all schools and not just deaf schools which is what I believe MOJ is looking for. I mentioned the Illinois school because it's in the midwest. I would also be curious if anyone knows about that school. Good or bad it would be nice to know.

According to many people, it is a good school. I wish I can give my own opinion but I have never personally visited it befoe. I heard that the ASL specialist there is very good in creating activities relating literacy combining ASL and English.

 

[Reba]

...Until today, I have never heard of cued speech and the definition of it looks strange. It seems to me that she would have to learn a new language? This kind of linguistic immersion would be a possible setback on her education right now, which she doesn't need....

Cued speech is not a language. It's a technique used in conjunction with oral and aural training, to give a visual "cue" or hint to oral production.

In my opinion, cued speech can be helpful in developing phonetic oral skills. It is not a substitute for acquiring language.

Cued speech can be used as part of a speech reading program. But it shouldn't be used as a replacement for ASL. ASL is a language; cueing is a technique.

That is my opinion.

My advice? If possible, do some field research. Visit a Bi-Bi program, a cued program, etc., and see each program "in action."

The internet is a good resource for getting basic information but there is nothing like seeing the schools "in the flesh".

Best wishes to you.

 

[rockdrummer]

According to many people, it is a good school. I wish I can give my own opinion but I have never personally visited it befoe. I heard that the ASL specialist there is very good in creating activities relating literacy combining ASL and English.

Thanks Shel. I appreciate your time.

 

[rockdrummer]

Hello rockdrummer

Ofc I heard of Illinois school for the deaf but that was many years ago and it was okay. Nowdays I don't know about it then. Have you had tour there to check it out ?

I don't know how old your son is or what grade is he in but what's about Hinsdale South High School in Darien? haha that's where I went for four years and graduated there. It was a very good mainstream school.

He is 11 sunshine currently enroled in mainstream with special classes. I asked the teachers if they had any bi-bi programs and they looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said what is a bi-bi program. I was shocked that they never heard of such a thing,

 

[jillio]

He is 11 sunshine currently enroled in mainstream with special classes. I asked the teachers if they had any bi-bi programs and they looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said what is a bi-bi program. I was shocked that they never heard of such a thing,

That's pretty typical for the mainstream. They are woefully ignorant regarding the needs of the deaf student and of the intracies of education for the deaf.

 

[loml]

Cued speech is not a language.

This is true Reba, nor has it ever claimed to be a language.

It's a technique used in conjunction with oral and aural training, to give a visual "cue" or hint to oral production.

This again is true Reba. If the speech therapist and the AVT etc. personel are familiar with CS, they may incoporate it into the programme. Please realise that this was not the intent of Dr. Cornett, as his focus was reading skills of deaf children. If deaf children whose parents have chosen an oral approach benefit from the system of CS, then I do not see how this could be a negative.

In my opinion, cued speech can be helpful in developing phonetic oral skills.

This again is true, Reba.

It is not a substitute for acquiring language.

Reba, this is where I do not agree and know from experience that the system does give the deaf child visual access to spoken language, and they do aquire that language. Have you ever met a Cued Speech user or had the opportunity to take a workshop, to experience how the system can and is used without voice? Cued speech gives the child a multi-model approach to acquiring the language of their family.

Cued speech can be used as part of a speech reading program.

Again this is true, Reba.

But it shouldn't be used as a replacement for ASL. ASL is a language; cueing is a technique.

Cueing is a system used for making spoken languages visible.

 

[jillio]

This is true Reba, nor has it ever claimed to be a language. This again is true Reba. If the speech therapist and the AVT etc. personel are familiar with CS, they may incoporate it into the programme. Please realise that this was not the intent of Dr. Cornett, as his focus was reading skills of deaf children. If deaf children whose parents have chosen an oral approach benefit from the system of CS, then I do not see how this could be a negative.

This again is true, Reba. Reba, this is where I do not agree and know from experience that the system does give the deaf child visual access to spoken language, and they do aquire that language. Have you ever met a Cued Speech user or had the opportunity to take a workshop, to experience how the system can and is used without voice? Cued speech gives the child a multi-model approach to acquiring the language of their family.

Again this is true, Reba. Cueing is a system used for making spoken languages visible.

Spoken langauges are already visable through writing. However, this still presents inforamtion in a linear syntax. Simply making that which is normally processed by the ear visable does not insure comprehension. The eye process information in a spatial and time oriented manner. That is why simply making a spoken language visable does not automatically correct literacy problems. If CS was able to accomplish that simply by making English visable, then it would be used on a widespread basis, and would be incorporated into all teaching methodologies in deaf ed. As it stands, there are but a handful of cuers and even fewer transliterators, despite a 40 year history.

 

[Reba]

... Reba, this is where I do not agree and know from experience that the system does give the deaf child visual access to spoken language, and they do aquire that language. Have you ever met a Cued Speech user or had the opportunity to take a workshop, to experience how the system can and is used without voice? Cued speech gives the child a multi-model approach to acquiring the language of their family....

Yes, I have attended a regional workshop on cueing that included a training session on how to use cueing.

I haven't met a cued speech user. A few years ago, our state set up one school for deaf and hoh students that focused on cued speech but I haven't met any of them in the local Deaf community.

I'm not opposed to using cueing techniques as a tool in oral training. I was just trying to explain to MasterofJune that cueing is not a language. Spoken and written English is a language. American Sign Language is a language.

My opinion is that cueing has a place in academic and therapeutic settings. I'm not convinced that it helps a child acquire language. I think it helps a child improve speech reading skills and pronunciation but that's not the same thing as acquiring language comprehension and expression.

But if a parent wants to establish communication with a deaf child at the earliest possible age, then sign language is the way to go.

Just my opinions. I expect MasterofJune will check these things out himself.

 

[jillio]

Yes, I have attended a regional workshop on cueing that included a training session on how to use cueing.

I haven't met a cued speech user. A few years ago, our state set up one school for deaf and hoh students that focused on cued speech but I haven't met any of them in the local Deaf community.

I'm not opposed to using cueing techniques as a tool in oral training. I was just trying to explain to MasterofJune that cueing is not a language. Spoken and written English is a language. American Sign Language is a language.

My opinion is that cueing has a place in academic and therapeutic settings. I'm not convinced that it helps a child acquire language. I think it helps a child improve speech reading skills and pronunciation but that's not the same thing as acquiring language comprehension and expression.

But if a parent wants to establish communication with a deaf child at the earliest possible age, then sign language is the way to go.

Just my opinions. I expect MasterofJune will check these things out himself.

I would expect MasterofJune has already checked things out for himself, given his leaning toward Bi-Bi education and his statement regarding his daughter's need for not just education, but her culture, as well.

 

[Sunshine1]

haha ... well you better look at me like a deer in the headlights too!!! haha I'm not familair with Bi-Bi program but only saw those word in all deaf but I didn't look up and study what does that mean "yet". Ofc I'm old and behind what's going on! I know some friends who teach at HSHS and one of them is my very good friend, I will email her and ask her about bi-bi program. Would you care explain what is that? I'm curious what school does your son attending? I went to several grammer schools.

He is 11 sunshine currently enroled in mainstream with special classes. I asked the teachers if they had any bi-bi programs and they looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said what is a bi-bi program. I was shocked that they never heard of such a thing,

 

[shel90]

Cued speech is not a language. It's a technique used in conjunction with oral and aural training, to give a visual "cue" or hint to oral production.

In my opinion, cued speech can be helpful in developing phonetic oral skills. It is not a substitute for acquiring language.

Cued speech can be used as part of a speech reading program. But it shouldn't be used as a replacement for ASL. ASL is a language; cueing is a technique.

That is my opinion.

My advice? If possible, do some field research. Visit a Bi-Bi program, a cued program, etc., and see each program "in action."

The internet is a good resource for getting basic information but there is nothing like seeing the schools "in the flesh".

Best wishes to you.

I agree with you on that one. I have personally observed oral/mainstreamed programs, BIBI programs and TC programs so I can give my opinions on them but since I have never really observed a Cued program for a significant period of time, I still dont know enough about it. Only just that I know it is not a language.

 

[shel90]

He is 11 sunshine currently enroled in mainstream with special classes. I asked the teachers if they had any bi-bi programs and they looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said what is a bi-bi program. I was shocked that they never heard of such a thing,

Honest with u, I am not surprised that they have no idea what it is.

 

[shel90]

haha ... well you better look at me like a deer in the headlights too!!! haha I'm not familair with Bi-Bi program but only saw those word in all deaf but I didn't look up and study what does that mean "yet". Ofc I'm old and behind what's going on! I know some friends who teach at HSHS and one of them is my very good friend, I will email her and ask her about bi-bi program. Would you care explain what is that? I'm curious what school does your son attending? I went to several grammer schools.

A bi-bi program uses two languages and incorporates cultural awareness into the curriculm as well.

In other words, in a deaf ed program, that would be the use of ASL and English stimulately while promoting Deaf culture awareness. In my opinion, I think it is the best approach but there are still many programs that dont use it correctly.

 

[Sunshine1]

Wouldn't it also be called TC (Total Communications)???

A bi-bi program uses two languages and incorporates cultural awareness into the curriculm as well.

In other words, in a deaf ed program, that would be the use of ASL and English stimulately while promoting Deaf culture awareness. In my opinion, I think it is the best approach but there are still many programs that dont use it correctly.

 

[shel90]

Wouldn't it also be called TC (Total Communications)???

Nope cuz TC uses whatever method , SEE, ASL, Sim-Com, oral, or CS. Sometimes, several methods are being used in the same program. I have seen a TC program..it is too confusing for some children and I dont believe in using SEE and Sim-Com for language development.