Trayvon Case Investigation

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Waterboy said:
Lying is a part of the legal process? :shock: Okay. Mind finding something in the legal codes to show that lying is a part of the legal process?
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More a set of guidelines than actual rules, after all, the law is decided by common men and women who, in the time of a trial, can scarcely be schooled in the intricacies of law.

Call it an omission if you don't like the word lie, but it is what it is.

At the end of the day, two sides are going to tell two mostly fictitious or loosely accurate stories and a group of people are going to decide whose is better. Because, of the people who know the truth, one is no longer around and the other is facing life in prison.

To answer Robins' question, "and?", they are both innocent and both guilty. Just as it is possible that you can do everything right in life and still fail because, that is, in fact, life.
 
rolling7 said:
Only two choices? Would you consider that the judge will leave it as is?
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Possible. Also just as possible that he will raise it or revoke it. He wouldn't have to be making a decision about it at all if George had just been honest about the money in the Paypal accounts to start with. But then, if he had been honest, his bail probably would have been a lot higher. Pretty good reason to not tell his lawyer or the judge about how much money he really had.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
More a set of guidelines than actual rules, after all, the law is decided by common men and women who, in the time of a trial, can scarcely be schooled in the intricacies of law.

Call it an omission if you don't like the word lie, but it is what it is.

At the end of the day, two sides are going to tell two mostly fictitious or loosely accurate stories and a group of people are going to decide whose is better. Because, of the people who know the truth, one is no longer around and the other is facing life in prison.

To answer Robins' question, "and?", they are both innocent and both guilty. Just as it is possible that you can do everything right in life and still fail because, that is, in fact, life.
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People who tell false stories to a court of law go to jail for perjury.

In this case, the one is dead and the other is facing prison. That isn't all cases.

Yeah, who has more reason to lie? The one facing prison. Who needs the jury to believe his story? The one facing prison. Getting caught in lies and failures to provide information is not the way to show a jury that you are honest. It is the way to show them you are a liar. So, not a smart move on Zimmerman's part. But, neither was getting out of his car to chase down an unarmed kid.
 
Waterboy said:
People who tell false stories to a court of law go to jail for perjury.
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For the record:
Bill Clinton: Nope
Oliver North: Nada
Barry Bonds: Not happening
Richard Nixon: Ya think?
Rapheal Palmiro: Care to guess?

There are people who go to prison for it, yes, but it usually accompanies another charge.

If you want someone to say Zimmerman lied, I'll say it, he lied. However, it still doesn't answer the question of whether he had a right to defend himself, does it?
 
Waterboy said:
Possible. Also just as possible that he will raise it or revoke it. He wouldn't have to be making a decision about it at all if George had just been honest about the money in the Paypal accounts to start with. But then, if he had been honest, his bail probably would have been a lot higher. Pretty good reason to not tell his lawyer or the judge about how much money he really had.
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Got any proof GZ was not being honest? The judge is looking into it wisely but you, unwisely, have already declared him guilty. Somehow you appointed yourself the law of the land.
 
Unless you have access to all of the facts at hand saying a person is guilty is only but an opinion which is no greater or less than any other opinions out there.
 
rolling7 said:
Got any proof GZ was not being honest? The judge is looking into it wisely but you, unwisely, have already declared him guilty. Somehow you appointed yourself the law of the land.
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Exactly!...It's as if the OP wants us to think...GZ lied!....Has no credibility, etc., etc. ...credibility is the last thing some people should talk/harp about when they need to clean up their own backyard!
 
Part of deal with Reba, I rather to stay away from situation with George Zimmerman until court, so why are you bother to discuss about George Zimmerman and attacking other members whoever disagree with them.

Attacking members to get agree or understandable about situation isn't making any better and you can be banned for violation of forum rule. It is better to walk away if you disagree with them and the side probably have strong opinion against George Zimmerman.

When I say something about George Zimmerman leading some members to be upset and took too personality.
 
kokonut said:
Unless you have access to all of the facts at hand saying a person is guilty is only but an opinion which is no greater or less than any other opinions out there.
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Oh, I don't know.........seems that some think their opinion carries far much weight than others.
 
Waterboy said:
In this case, we are talking about lying on a sworn statement and deceiving the court.
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I still don't see what's funny about that.

Have you seen a copy of the sworn statement? Do you know the exact timeline of all the events pertaining to the statement?

We'll see how the judge decides. It's up to him.
 
Waterboy said:
Since this is a case where he is asking the judge and the jury to believe his story on no more than his word, he really doesn't look good on his credibility.
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The jury isn't present for the bail hearing and arraignment.

We don't even know if he will testify in court.

The defense attorney usually presents more than just "his story" or "his word." They will most likely include other witnesses and forensic evidence, too.
 
Waterboy said:
The judge is deciding whether to raise or revoke bail. I haven't commented on that.
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Is that what the judge said? He might decide to do neither, right?
 
Foxrac said:
...Attacking members to get agree or understandable about situation isn't making any better and you can be banned for violation of forum rule....
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Some people don't care about the AD rules. It's just a game for them. They have no respect for forum rules or for forum members.
 
Jiro said:
lying in court is a perjury.
lying to police is an obstruction to justice.

in a murder case, it's not in Zimmerman's best interest to lie in any matter.
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It wouldn't be in the best interest of the prosecutor to lie either.
 
Jiro said:
so.... how did he pay for bond before he got out of jail? if someone took $5,000 out of PayPal account to pay for bond partially... Zimmerman didn't question it?

Zimmerman got out of jail and spent some of it on living expenses so about $150,000 remains. and he didn't bother to disclose it much earlier?

$54,000 has been spent in a very short time. very suspicious.
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Ah ... I see you are becoming familiar with what the internet can do ....
 
Waterboy said:
People who tell false stories to a court of law go to jail for perjury.

In this case, the one is dead and the other is facing prison. That isn't all cases.

Yeah, who has more reason to lie? The one facing prison. Who needs the jury to believe his story? The one facing prison. Getting caught in lies and failures to provide information is not the way to show a jury that you are honest. It is the way to show them you are a liar. So, not a smart move on Zimmerman's part. But, neither was getting out of his car to chase down an unarmed kid.
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You forgot the skittles and iced tea part.
 
Steinhauer said:
Protective custody is expensive. He is in protective custody because of people like you.
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:laugh2: He's not in protective custody. He is being monitored so he doesn't run off. Just like anyone on community control. And he is on a curfew and can't have a weapon so he doesn't kill anyone else.
 
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