Trayvon Case Investigation

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Police are investigating the beating of a 27-year-old man who said he was attacked by several men who shouted “Trayvon.” | Gainesville.com

By Chad Smith
Staff writer



Published: Monday, April 9, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.

Last Modified: Monday, April 9, 2012 at 10:26 p.m.


Police are investigating the “racially motivated” beating of a 27-year-old man who was walking home from midtown bars early Saturday when he said he was jumped by five to eight men who shouted “Trayvon” before the attack.


The exclamation was an apparent reference to Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old from Miami who was shot and killed in February walking back to his father’s girlfriend’s house in Sanford.

His shooter, George Zimmerman, has not been charged.

The case of Martin, an unarmed black teenager who was killed by Zimmerman, a Hispanic crime-watch volunteer, has stirred conversations across the country about race, crime and profiling.

Investigators believe that case was the catalyst for the beating Saturday in Gainesville.

“We do believe that the crime was racially motivated,” Gainesville Police Department spokeswoman Cpl. Angelina Valuri said.

The assailants were black, while the victim is white, Valuri said.

She said the victim had been drinking and could not provide a description of the attackers or their vehicle, only that it was a mid-size vehicle.

But Valuri said his injuries were consistent with being jumped by a group.

During what he told police was a five-minute beating, he sustained injuries to the left eye, abrasions to his palms and a cut on his right kneecap, and Valuri said he would likely have “permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face.”

He was taken to Shands at the University of Florida for treatment.

The attack occurred at about 2:45 a.m. in the 3200 block of Southwest 23rd Terrace.

The victim told police that a vehicle was coming east on Southwest 32nd Place when it stopped at 23rd Terrace.

A group of men got out and told him he was walking too slowly, the victim told police.

They then yelled “Trayvon,” according to a GPD report, and proceeded to beat him.
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Steinhauer said:
Was your question directed at Jiro prompted by the Zimmerman investigation?
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It was prompted by Jiro's post about citizens should leave it to the cops to handle suspicious neighborhood activities. You'll have to ask Jiro if he meant only Zimmerman should leave it to the cops, or if all citizens should leave everything to the cops. But I asked Jiro directly if he would leave it to the cops, himself.

I really don't want to get between you and Jiro in a debate. I like you both, and you both make good points in this thread.
 
Another one:

Suspects in Seneca attack charged with lynching; hate crime charge possible - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com


On March 17th, three white men were leaving an Applebees restaurant after midnight in Seneca, South Carolina. One of the men, Terry Moore, 32, of Macon County, NC, went to the bathroom while his two friends went straight to their car. When Moore walked to the car alone, he encountered between 15 and 20 black men. The men allegedly yelled racial slurs at him like "tree honkey" and "cracker," then brutally attacked him.

Moore's friends say that he was zapped with a tazer and then stomped on after he fell to the crowd. The victim suffered several serious head injuries including a fractured eye socket and a dislocated jaw.

The attack ended when Moore's friends rushed to his aid. The victim is from out of town and did not know any of the attackers.

Seneca police, working with the county sheriff's department and SLED, has apprehended six of the suspects. They are facing state charges for assault and battery by a mob, which is also more commonly known as second degree lynching in South Carolina. The official name of the statute was changed in 2010 over complaints by black racial activists that the term "lynching" was offensive to black people. The statute was originally passed in 1951 at the request of the NAACP.


Yesterday, March 28th, Seneca Police Chief John Covington released a statement saying he believes the attack was racially motivated. He has forwarded the case to the FBI for possible Federal hate crime charges. South Carolina's anti-lynching law allows for judges to give harsher sentences when an assault is part of a mob attack.

​Those charged are Teryn L Robinson, 18; Tray Devon Holland, 19; Justin Dimon Alexander, 20; Derick Lee Williams, 22; Kino Martinez Jones, 25; and Montrez Obrian Jones, 22.

Last June prosecutors charged four suspects in the attack on Carter Strange with second degree lynching. Carter Strange was assaulted at random by eight young black males in the Five Points area of Columbia, SC. He barely survived the attack. The assault is believed to have been motivated purely by racial hatred.
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Tree honkey is a term used for a white guy wearing camo.

NAACP
Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson
NBPP

this is your fault.
 
TXgolfer said:
Never a doubt.... So, what is your answer?
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huh? I'm not even going to bother answering this when I already answered this already in a great detail. You even included my post in your reply.
 
Reba said:
It was prompted by Jiro's post about citizens should leave it to the cops to handle suspicious neighborhood activities. You'll have to ask Jiro if he meant only Zimmerman should leave it to the cops, or if all citizens should leave everything to the cops. But I asked Jiro directly if he would leave it to the cops, himself.

I really don't want to get between you and Jiro in a debate. I like you both, and you both make good points in this thread.
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my answer's in Post #402 and Post #406.

of course... there's no easy yes or no answer. it depends on circumstance. and it's probably best to let the cop handles it because of risk of accidental shooting or getting killed by thug. beside... in here, cops respond immediately within less than 2 minutes.

if I see some suspicious guy scoping out my neighbor's house and there's no service vehicle, I'd come out and say "hey there! may I help you?" I'd of course keep a note of everything - description of subject, vehicle, etc. and forward it to my neighbor.

but in Zimmerman's case, looking at transcript between Zimmerman and 911 dispatcher, he should have left it to cops to handle it.
 
Jiro said:
huh? I'm not even going to bother answering this when I already answered this already in a great detail. You even included my post in your reply.
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This...

so if I see something "suspicious".... I should walk over to my neighbor w/ a shotgun?

I hope my neighbor doesn't get freaked out and mistakenly shot me or other neighbor frantically calling cop on me because he/she sees a "suspicious person" holding a shotgun, checking out a house. I'm pretty sure it will end quite ugly.
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This is not really an answer to "What WOULD you do?" However you did answer in post #450 I see. :cool2:

Now, what if you were returning home and armed when you saw this suspicious person? Would you run inside and stow your firearm before approaching this suspicious person to say "may I help you?"
 
TXgolfer said:
This...

This is not really an answer to "What WOULD you do?" However you did answer in post #450 I see. :cool2:

Now, what if you were returning home and armed when you saw this suspicious person? Would you run inside and stow your firearm before approaching this suspicious person to say "may I help you?"
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see Post #450 especially 2nd paragraph. It all depends on your common sense, training, and circumstance to make a best judgment possible.
 
Shotguns are basically used in rural areas....and if you are a "stranger" walking around in a rural area, especially at night....I'm sure any home owner would grab his shotgun to check it out. And most likely, confront that person and ask what they are doing out there, and with your shotgun. And you more than likely might get an azz full of buck shot (in rural areas), because the Police would take a very long time to get to your property...if you don't have a "good excuse" that sets right with the property owner.

Even here in the city, if a stranger is walking around at night in my neighborhood, I would become suspicious, especially if there had been a lot of robberies. And if that strange person was randomly walking around my neighborhood wearing a hoodie to cover his face, gives me all the more "suspicion", especially at night. That's factual.
 
Jiro said:
see Post #450 especially 2nd paragraph. It all depends on your common sense, training, and circumstance to make a best judgment possible.
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That doesn't really answer the question. It's pretty simple..... would you stow your weapon in your home before asking the person "may I help you?"
 
TXgolfer said:
That doesn't really answer the question. It's pretty simple..... would you stow your weapon in your home before asking the person "may I help you?"
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See Post #142. I reiterate - there's no easy yes or no answer. it depends on circumstance so I'll know when I'm there.
 
rockin'robin said:
Shotguns are basically used in rural areas....and if you are a "stranger" walking around in a rural area, especially at night....I'm sure any home owner would grab his shotgun to check it out. And most likely, confront that person and ask what they are doing out there, and with your shotgun. And you more than likely might get an azz full of buck shot (in rural areas), because the Police would take a very long time to get to your property...if you don't have a "good excuse" that sets right with the property owner.
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shotgun is the easiest and best home defense weapon. all you gotta do is point and shoot and you will definitely hit the target. and the sight of your shotgun is the biggest fear factor so you'll most likely won't have to use it :lol:

rockin'robin said:
Even here in the city, if a stranger is walking around at night in my neighborhood, I would become suspicious, especially if there had been a lot of robberies. And if that strange person was randomly walking around my neighborhood wearing a hoodie to cover his face, gives me all the more "suspicion", especially at night. That's factual.
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well.... it's a city! everybody is suspicious. :lol:
 
TXgolfer said:
Ah, I see. :ty:
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keep in mind that when it comes to guns, it's never simple. you cannot expect a simple yes or no answer. there's no guidelines or flow chart for most scenarios. all we can do is hope that armed citizens especially CCW holders have a better sense of common sense and judgement than regular folks. that's called being a responsible law-abiding armed citizen.

Most CCW holders have had additional weapon trainings and they do participate in competition like IDPA here and there. For those who didn't and felt no need for it, that would raise a serious concern for us because one's action can adversely impact our self-defense rights.
 
Jiro said:
keep in mind that when it comes to guns, it's never simple. you cannot expect a simple yes or no answer. there's no guidelines or flow chart for most scenarios. all we can do is hope that armed citizens especially CCW holders have a better sense of common sense and judgement than regular folks. that's called being a responsible law-abiding armed citizen.

Most CCW holders have had additional weapon trainings and they do participate in competition like IDPA here and there. For those who didn't and felt no need for it, that would raise a serious concern for us because one's action can adversely impact our self-defense rights.
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No doubt....
 
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