The history of Mary Kay Letourneau

[The*Empress]

Mary Kay is no different than your average sex offender, and she shouldn't be treated any differently. Doesn't matter if she has children or not. Wrong is wrong.

she knows that.... she knows what she did was wrong,
we don't have to keep punishing her forever.
if we want world peace, we have to do what Jesus do.
Forgive.

 

[Brian]

I agree with several posters here!

She still is a sexual offender/child rapist and will be one as long as she lives! She is registered in Washington (state) as sexual offender. She might have asked for forgiveness but most people won't forget what she did. I wouldn't be surprised if she does this again. Sexual offenders usually are repeaters!

Here is Letourneau, Mary Katherine listed as sexual offender (Level II) in Seattle, King County, Washington. I think she deserves being a level III sexual offender!

 

[Oceanbreeze]

she knows that.... she knows what she did was wrong,
we don't have to keep punishing her forever.
if we want world peace, we have to do what Jesus do.
Forgive.

That's the problem. No, she doesn't know it. Sex offenders rarely admit that they have done wrong.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well Mary and her now husband created LIFE, they have 2 children...
and they have to raise them right.... that is just a low key crime...

I am talking about perverts who created Aids, raping kids after kidnapping them, or burying them alive, or forcing themselves on kids, perverts who have sex with animals, pervs who have sex with siblings... those kind of wrongdoing, going to hell kinda way.

Mary won't go to hell for that, as long as she asked forgiveness...
and face Karma... not by people, but her to have her own self guilt,
and try to do the right thing... because children are important.

she knows that.... she knows what she did was wrong,
we don't have to keep punishing her forever.
if we want world peace, we have to do what Jesus do.
Forgive

and AMEN

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I agree with several posters here!

She still is a sexual offender/child rapist and will be one as long as she lives! She is registered in Washington (state) as sexual offender. She might have asked for forgiveness but most people won't forget what she did. I wouldn't be surprised if she does this again. Sexual offenders usually are repeaters!

Here is Letourneau, Mary Katherine listed as sexual offender (Level II) in Seattle, King County, Washington. I think she deserves being a level III sexual offender!

Ha, It´s law system who label Mary as Sex Offender or Child Rape. Forget it because Mary did not force a boy to have sex with her.

I know the difference between "want to being love" and "feel being force to have unwant sex".
Let me say something about myself.
I was in love with 20 years older divorced man when I was 16 years old student. I do not consider him as child rapist or sex offender BECAUSE he did not force me to do something what he want. I would call him child rapist or sex offender if I feel being force by him but he didn´t. I know the difference.
Would you still call him as sex offender because he dated 16 years old student like me?

Anyway, here is link of debate between Chris Hale and Hugh Faulkner. I´m agree with Chris Hale totally. It´s very interesting debate, worth to read.

The Great Mary K. Letourneau Debate
Hugh Faulkner vs. Chris Hale

http://goinside.com/98/5/debate.html

 

[Opal]

Having sex with minor under 16 (depend on your country law) is called statutory rape. Not matter if underage want to have intercourse, and the parents can press charge for it. They are in deep trouble because of the law.

Over 16 is okay.

 

[The*Empress]

This world is full of shit anyway...

We got war and we don't know why we are fighting about...

And we won't ever have world peace at all...
That is why I am staying at home, being on the internet and watching tv...
and don't want anybody to bother me...

I am more scare of self righteous, judgemental, and goody two shoes people than I am scare of Christians and Criminals.

I Was On AOL CHatroom... And Chatting with a gay 18 YEARS OLD MAN, and he told me he never DONE it with a woman.
AND HE said HIS first time sex was with A boy AT A summer camp.

AND I Saw ON Oprah THAT 13 years OLD Girl and other TEENS ARE Sexually Active....
IT isn't THEIR Fault That THEY Can't CONTROL their HORMONES.


sO WHEN IS too young to have sex?

I think the boy allowed the teacher to touch him...
so how can that be statory rape?

I think Americans want to force kids to stop having sex...
and focus on career and things like that.

I know that this is off topics...

Bush can put 18 years old people in Iraq...
And stuff.... :roll:

 

[Maria]

I wonder if, MK and Billy will allow their children to follow their steps when their kids become teen agers ? I know that Billy was the first person that changed the world when he was 12 years old, not MK.

Children learn from the adults/parents and, the adults/parents are the children's teachers.

 

[Reba]

...Would you still call him as sex offender because he dated 16 years old student like me?

He was 36 and you were 16? Yes, I would say there was something wrong with that man. I don't know what you mean by "date", and I really don't need to know (not my business). But if any man 36 has sexual relations with a girl 16, then he is a predator, and at the very least at risk for a charge of statutory rape.

BTW, not all "force" is just physical; it can also be emotional or mental.

 

[Banjo]

He was 36 and you were 16? Yes, I would say there was something wrong with that man. I don't know what you mean by "date", and I really don't need to know (not my business). But if any man 36 has sexual relations with a girl 16, then he is a predator, and at the very least at risk for a charge of statutory rape.

BTW, not all "force" is just physical; it can also be emotional or mental.

In Canada, it's 14. :-/

 

[Reba]

I hate to say that but I have to disagree with you. She did served her time in the jail. In other words, she already accepted the consequence for her actions.

That doesn't mean she accepted the consequences. The legal consequences (imprisonment) were forced upon her. She did not voluntarily admit wrongdoing, she did not repent.

Hmmm. I reread others' posts and I don't see anywhere in this topic that AD'ers were implying that they don't mind to let their children near the teachers like Kay.

Many ADers seem quite willing to forgive and forget Mary Kay's transgressions. They see nothing wrong with her behavior because it is justified by "love". They say that Mary Kay did not "force" Billy to do anything. So I guess if a teacher did the same thing with one of their kids, it would be OK. If their young son or daughter comes home from school and says, "Mom, my teacher and I love each other," they can't complain, right? Nothing wrong with that, right? Or is it OK for teachers to molest other people's kids, but not ADer kids?

I just find it amazing that people want to defend predatory teachers but very few want to defend children.

 

[Reba]

It is very interesting that in other threads, some of the same people who get all upset about the sexual attacks and murders of kids in Florida, find nothing wrong with people like Mary Kay. People rant on and on about how DSS didn't do anything, how neighbors ignored problems, how predators aren't registered, etc. Well, duh! People do try to stop predators and sexual offenders, but then other people say, "Oh, please, he did his time, forgive and forget." You can't have it both ways. Either put the safety and innocence of the children first, or else put the "rights" and feelings of the perverts first. Which is more important?

 

[The*Empress]

if a 36 years old man wants to marry your 14 years old daughter,
would you let him?

Even though he is a millionaire?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

It is very interesting that in other threads, some of the same people who get all upset about the sexual attacks and murders of kids in Florida, find nothing wrong with people like Mary Kay. People rant on and on about how DSS didn't do anything, how neighbors ignored problems, how predators aren't registered, etc. Well, duh! People do try to stop predators and sexual offenders, but then other people say, "Oh, please, he did his time, forgive and forget." You can't have it both ways. Either put the safety and innocence of the children first, or else put the "rights" and feelings of the perverts first. Which is more important?

Thank you, Reba. You are absolutely right. I wish I was as articulate as some others here, but I'm not. That's my shortcoming. I've been trying to point out that it makes no difference that she is a female. It also makes no difference that they are "in love". What Mary Kay did is still wrong.

I am not one who "forgives" her. Perhaps, that is my shortcoming. Maybe, if she got out of prison and took it upon herself to stay away from Billy, I would be alittle more willing to accept her? But, she didn't. I just hope those two prescious INNOCENT children don't suffer for the sins of their Mother.
What a sick world we live in.

 

[Cheri]

It is very interesting that in other threads, some of the same people who get all upset about the sexual attacks and murders of kids in Florida, find nothing wrong with people like Mary Kay. People rant on and on about how DSS didn't do anything, how neighbors ignored problems, how predators aren't registered, etc. Well, duh! People do try to stop predators and sexual offenders, but then other people say, "Oh, please, he did his time, forgive and forget." You can't have it both ways. Either put the safety and innocence of the children first, or else put the "rights" and feelings of the perverts first. Which is more important?

This is a whole different situation here, You are not looking at the whole picture, the whole situation between Mary and Vili, You only attacking on Mary alone. It takes two to tango "get married" correct? And Vili is above the age of 18 he has his every right to marry who ever he please. If Vili doesn't think Mary is some sex offender to him then why is it our right to judge? If you don't agree with the marriage why attack us? Go complain to Vili how you feel, Because I am not here to judge because he already married her, he loves her there is nothing for anyone on this earth can do about it. If you want to keep going on ranting about the same thing over and over go ahead but it not going to change the fact that he already married her.

 

[Eve]

Whether or not Villi considers her a pedophiliac is irrelevant. She was a sexual predator the moment she engaged in sexual intercourse with a child, whether he consented to the act or not doesn't matter. He was a CHILD. She should carry the title she so richly earned.....registered sex offender. Yes, he is of legal age to marry her and he is capable of making that decision without our input, but that doesn't change who she is. I know I wouldn't want her being my son's teacher.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Whether or not Villi considers her a pedophiliac is irrelevant. She was a sexual predator the moment she engaged in sexual intercourse with a child, whether he consented to the act or not doesn't matter. He was a CHILD. She should carry the title she so richly earned.....registered sex offender. Yes, he is of legal age to marry her and he is capable of making that decision without our input, but that doesn't change who she is. I know I wouldn't want her being my son's teacher.

No person with a IQ higher than 60 would.

 

[Vance]

That doesn't mean she accepted the consequences. The legal consequences (imprisonment) were forced upon her. She did not voluntarily admit wrongdoing, she did not repent.

Uhhh, she served her time in the jail. What do you want from her? Label her as a terrorist and send her away to other countries where CIA can torture or rape her? Or what? And... how do you know that she did not repent? Who are you to determine like that anyway? Any chance, are you a God?

Many ADers seem quite willing to forgive and forget Mary Kay's transgressions. They see nothing wrong with her behavior because it is justified by "love". They say that Mary Kay did not "force" Billy to do anything. So I guess if a teacher did the same thing with one of their kids, it would be OK. If their young son or daughter comes home from school and says, "Mom, my teacher and I love each other," they can't complain, right? Nothing wrong with that, right? Or is it OK for teachers to molest other people's kids, but not ADer kids?

I just find it amazing that people want to defend predatory teachers but very few want to defend children.

Sarcasm noted but you stuffed your words down in our mouths. I repeat: I reread others' posts and I don't see anywhere in this topic that AD'ers were implying that they don't mind to let their children near the teachers like Kay. I honestly would think that conservative christians would practice what God preach; forgive and forget... But seem not. Oops, did I say it aloud? Aw, darn it... the gate is open and dog is out running.

Seriously, I seem have to say few more so that's the way anyone cannot put their words in my mouth from now:

I don't approve what Kay did. I will not allow any teachers like Kay to go anywhere near my future child(ren). Period. The End. Game over. Just that she served her time in the jail and she is married to a guy who is over 18 years (in other words, offically adult). We are not his parents so it is completely out of our hands. If the boy like Fualaau is able to forgive and forget what she did, who are you to tell him to do or say otherwise? In my own words: I did not consider her behavior harmless because it is justified by "love". I was implying that Fualaau is 22 years old and he have the rights to make a decision for himself and his life as much as you allowed your daughter to make the decisions for herself and her life or are you still making the decisions for her?

It is very interesting that in other threads, some of the same people who get all upset about the sexual attacks and murders of kids in Florida, find nothing wrong with people like Mary Kay. People rant on and on about how DSS didn't do anything, how neighbors ignored problems, how predators aren't registered, etc. Well, duh! People do try to stop predators and sexual offenders, but then other people say, "Oh, please, he did his time, forgive and forget." You can't have it both ways. Either put the safety and innocence of the children first, or else put the "rights" and feelings of the perverts first. Which is more important?

Well, I didn't say anything in these topics, that's a reason why I have been keeping my opinions to myself in these topics. It is a win-win situation for me.

 

[Reba]

Uhhh, she served her time in the jail. What do you want from her? Label her as a terrorist and send her away to other countries where CIA can torture or rape her? Or what?

Label her as a sex offender, and keep her away from school kids. That's all.

And... how do you know that she did not repent? Who are you to determine like that anyway?

Did she say she repented? Has she changed her ways? To repent means to admit doing wrong, feel sorry for doing wrong, and then turning away from that wrong (quite doing wrong). Has she done that?

I reread others' posts and I don't see anywhere in this topic that AD'ers were implying that they don't mind to let their children near the teachers like Kay.

Why wouldn't they mind a teacher like Mary Kay? She is just a loving teacher. If they really think the boy was not taken advantage of, then the same situation would be OK for their kids, too.

I honestly would think that conservative christians would practice what God preach; forgive and forget...

Only God and the parties directly hurt can forgive. None of us has the right to forgive someone who didn't hurt us.

Society has the right and responsibility to protect the weaker members, such as children, handicapped adults, and elderly people. If society accepts sexual offenders taking advantage of those weaker members, then there is no protection or hope for them.

God told Christians to take care of the widows and orphans, not the killers and rapists.

... If the boy like Fualaau is able to forgive and forget what she did, who are you to tell him to do or say otherwise?

I am not telling him anything. Just giving my opinion, and speaking up for the kids.

In my own words: I did not consider her behavior harmless because it is justified by "love".

Good!

I was implying that Fualaau is 22 years old and he have the rights to make a decision for himself and his life as much as you allowed your daughter to make the decisions for herself and her life or are you still making the decisions for her?

Fualaau can do whatever he wants now. Just don't expect me to "bless" it.

My daughter has been making all her decisions since she was 18. While she was a minor, and living at home, Hubby and I were responsible for her well-being. If any teacher had made moves on her while she was a minor, we would have called the police.

 

[Vance]

Label her as a sex offender, and keep her away from school kids. That's all.

I would think that they already did (label her as a sex offender)? I don't think that school would hire her to work as teacher... Well, I didn't keep up with Kay news so correct me if I make a wrong guess.

Did she say she repented? Has she changed her ways? To repent means to admit doing wrong, feel sorry for doing wrong, and then turning away from that wrong (quite doing wrong). Has she done that?

Maybe she did. Maybe she did not. That's what I was trying to say, how do we know that she did or not? Corporate News cannot cover everything, just reported as what it can be interesting to the public.

Why wouldn't they mind a teacher like Mary Kay? She is just a loving teacher. If they really think the boy was not taken advantage of, then the same situation would be OK for their kids, too.

Nice sarcasm.

Society has the right and responsibility to protect the weaker members, such as children, handicapped adults, and elderly people. If society accepts sexual offenders taking advantage of those weaker members, then there is no protection or hope for them.

Interesting perception but I must admit that I agree with you however we don't have to protect the 'weaker members' only... society is supposed to protect its own citizens, not only the 'weaker members'.

God told Christians to take care of the widows and orphans, not the killers and rapists.

Jesus did take care of the whore, how does that make any difference? What is your definition of 'killer'?

My daughter has been making all her decisions since she was 18. While she was a minor, and living at home, Hubby and I were responsible for her well-being. If any teacher had made moves on her while she was a minor, we would have called the police.

Exactly. That's why Kay served her time in the jail when she did that to Fualaau. Beside the fact that Fualaau is a adult now and he made the decision whether it is wrong or right thing to do, he is able to forgive and forget what Kay did to him.

However you have a point that you don't have to 'bless' Kay, I wouldn't force or urge you to do so and I will not 'bless' her for what she did to Fualaau either.