Tasteless or Not?

sallylou said:
Grummer, do you know who banned it? I thought that the mainstream media CEOs made that decision but I can't find confirmation of that.
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honesty i dont know

if not the best, its one of the better forums online, where they discussed 'who banned this image'...
herethe falling man 9-11 (they didn't want you to see)

there is probably hundreds in the internet google, it but it seems you'd never find out who exactly, but all i DO know (not from internet, and my source withheld here) is the texan newspaper published this 'sensational' photograph the next morning then, it received many angry phone calls to the office, so a decision was made to withdraw this particular photo immediately.
That's all I know. I believe it was covered in the documentary , but i need to watch it again at full length , and i can get the DVD no problems here (not banned in my country)
 
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I have stumbled on an interesting comment of one persons opinion after upon viewing the falling man here is the excerpt;

I found this a disturbing film , not for the subject matter as such but more for the reaction of the families who seemed to have this insane idea that there might be something unpatriotic or cowardly about jumping. It bordered on insanity and I ended up having no sympathy for the families. In fact I would quite seriously be more frightened of their attitude that that of any terrorist.They even had the flag outside their house !!!

I’m sure that if you were to sit down with these people and try to explain that quite possibly they actually voted for the foreigh policy that made this inevitable they would not be even be capable of understand a word. It was of course a dreadfull thing to happen and an awfull way to die but it didn’t happen for no reason and in an age of univeral suffage just how innocent can someone be if they choose of their own free will to work in the twin towers. God only know how many how many people were murders over the years in the name of US capitalsm gone mad.

from this i can just see the glimpse of how this tasteless comment came about, as this is the thread's main topic, having a discussion revolving around the two different sided dissapprovals. Sorry I dont mean to offend, just showing another angle on a very unpopular POV. (not mine, except I do fear the 'patriotic attitude' that americans have - that bit I can give weight to but I do not have no sympathy, i do empathise the loss, its horrific, but getting more patriotic to me, is going too far. just my 3 cents. (3 cents is my copyright slogan ok? lol)
 
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sallylou said:
It's a very powerful story. My heart went out the loved ones who were trying find out what happened to their family member. Many people were found on the concrete below the tower. Some of the loved ones hoped that the person in the image was their loved one just because they wanted to know what happened. They were disappointed when they found out it was not their family member.

The man in the picture was never positively identified. The experts narrowed it down to two men who worked in the restaurant on the top floor.

The tone of the film is to honor the jumpers, believing that ignoring their story is disrespecting their experience and death. One person pointed out that deciding to jump may have been the only way that the jumpers would have had control over their own fate. It would have been a desperate act to take control over the manner of their imminent death.

One jumper had spoken with her husband immediately before she jumped and she had to hang up because she could not breathe. Jumpers may have desired to hasten their deaths and avoid asphyxiation. Their choice should be understood and honored.
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and also the smoke was very hot. nobody wants to be burned alive
 
Grummer, that's what I read, too. Not very clear really.

Part of the problem with the video is that some people (including some family members of the jumpers) have religious issues with suicide, even in this extreme case. In some religions, to commit suicide is an unforgivable sin (most notably, in the Roman Catholic Church). One of the families in the film could not even discuss the possibility with the reporter. This family said that the man in question would not have "abandoned" them (I found that confusing.) I'm not sure that viewers caught that religion was a big factor with the Catholic family because I wasn't explained fully in the video.

Any one who suggested that US policy lead to the disaster was a traitor following the attack. I can understand that because it was a very emotional event and immediatelyt after the event was not the time to discuss public policy. It seemed disrespectful of the victims' families at that time. After the shock wore off of the tragedy, I believe that it was appropriate to discuss the public policy implications.

Saying that grieving family members are whiners is never appropriate. It makes me think that the guy lacks empathy and has serious mental health issues. Maybe he's not close enough to anyone to imagine what it's like to lose a loved one. Pathetic.
 
Apparently this famous jumper (in the image) is from a Catholic background.
 
sallylou said:
Grummer, do you know who banned it? I thought that the mainstream media CEOs made that decision but I can't find confirmation of that.
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It's usually an editorial decision made by the news editor of a publication, or a news director of a TV news program. The wire services, such AP, UPI, and Reuters, also have editors who decide what they will distribute.
 
Grummer said:
...Moreso, the documentary subtley showed -if not directly- how stupid religion is, it has no say in how we to make meanings of people's death, especially in this highly unusal situation.
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The documentary was very prejudicial if it showed "how stupid religion is". Not all religions teach that suicide is an unforgivable sin.
 
Reba said:
The documentary was very prejudicial if it showed "how stupid religion is". Not all religions teach that suicide is an unforgivable sin.
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I may phrased it with a slight lack of tact, the main thing was highlighted in the documentary was not religion, it focus more on how trauma was depicted and providing an oppurtunity to really see how it affected those close to the event which the mainstream media had robbed people by rash censoring. Religion aspect was a small part of it, in one way it could be seen that distortion of the masses's understanding of war and politics are not confined to the East/Middle East. In so saying this, this is to realise western 'civilisation' isnt the most advanced, bestest and most 'modern' or most 'understood' as our western media claims. Kind of like realising mass confusion and anger does not just happens in Iraq, but right there in USA and other related 'western countries' sharing similar vantage points looking at war and other related issues. Another way to understand this is that to realise deep emotions can become an extremely potent political tool, which is why some people fear the mentality of patriotism. Being a patriot isnt about being a saint for governments or politics, its an act of whole heartly willing to die for those in power, nothing more and nothing less, in other words, go to war and killing another men with guns or whatever. A strong beliefs that they are doing the right thing and indeed those on the other side, would be thinking exactly the same. Both sides have been had untold lies, indoctrination ingrained deeply into their consciousness which robs the power of reasoning ultimately leads to hate and war.
 
Nationalism?

Philosophers have been worried about the power of nationalism and ethnic pride (both are form of patriotism) since the start of the Manchester Industrial Revolution.
 
The film did not depict any religion in any certain way. It glossed over the religious issues with the Catholic family. It didn't address religion directly at all. If someone was not familiar with the Catholic teachings, she wouldn't have understood the underlying religious issues. I think that the producers didn't want to bring religion into the film. The theme of the film was about finding the truth.

**I'm not Catholic and I don't profess to be an expert on Catholic teachings. I only know that traditionally suicide was considered a bad sin. Teachings may vary by nation or sect, or they may have changed.
 
i dont understand how anyone could view the jumpers as committing suicide. I assumed they were experiencing so much pain from being burned alive, they instinctively did what ever they could to get away from it. That is was an involuntary movement with no thought involved. Like when you touch a hot stove your arm automatically jerks back.
 
I think that people are so disturbed by that idea that they can't even think about it.
 
I agree with Doug5. I 'll bet those people didn't want to die but it was either die a slow and painful way or go out quickly. If there was a fire about to burn me up, I probably would be in scuh a state of mind that I would do anything to escape it.
 
Doug5 said:
i dont understand how anyone could view the jumpers as committing suicide. I assumed they were experiencing so much pain from being burned alive, they instinctively did what ever they could to get away from it. That is was an involuntary movement with no thought involved. Like when you touch a hot stove your arm automatically jerks back.
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In History class and Philosophy, we call that "hindsight bias" or "Historian's fallacy," in which we criticize people in the past of their mistakes because we know things that people in the past might have not known or couldn't refrain themselves from acting upon their pre-existing information.

I don't think the people who jumped out had suicidal intentions.
 
If I'm correct, Beck is a mormon.. and from what I understand, some mormons believe in work based salvation .

So I guess suicide is a sin for some. But the guy who fell was in panic, I doubt it was suicide.

anyway, i never had watch beck or Rush or many of the Republican on TV. And I've always felt that Fox was more for catholics than anything else (no offense).
 
Yes, the people were hanging out trying to breathe.

I didn't know that Beck is mormon. Then again, I turn off the tv whenever he comes on.
 
Beck is an entertainer who sez shocking things to get himself noticed. Talking about him on this thread is like a free commercial for him. It gets his name out there and people curious about him.
 
I am impressed with how we all are able to talk about these things, religions, politics, trauma and media in a rational manner. Lets keep it that way, lightly on the heavy subject is a delicate balancing act. Maintaining civility has became a matter of being able to see the horrors of 'jumpers' past the censorship. Its amazing, I'm glad for you (some) Americans, I am from New Zealand. I know nothing about Beck, sounds as so he's is a self-serving git. (<<that is not a swear word, google it if you must)
 
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