Taliban executes a 7-years old boy for spying

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kokonut said:
How about just say that executing a 7 year old kid is unacceptable and be off with that instead of appearing to lend support and justification that execution is ok?
Is it, or is it not?
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like I said - spying is punishable by death..... regardless of age and gender. That's how war is.
 
Beowulf said:
How about saying that executing a 7 year old kid is acceptable to SOME cultures but not to ours, and let it go at that?
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Yes, but do you find it acceptable to see a 7 year old kid get executed? That's my point.
 
kokonut said:
Yes, but do you find it acceptable to see a 7 year old kid get executed? That's my point.
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do you find it acceptable to see a 7 years old kid spying for others especially when it's extremely dangerous?
 
Jiro said:
correction - we trained and supported Mujahideen, not Taliban. Taliban was formed at around 90's.
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Mujahideen and Taliban are two terms that can't be used to describe two different groups. The mujahideens that US trained back then, are now fighting under Taliban. Taliban is a group of mujahideens. So you basically created the army that call themselves Taliban.
 
flip said:
Mujahideen and Taliban are two terms that can't be used to describe two different groups. The mujahideens that US trained back then, are now fighting under Taliban. Taliban is a group of mujahideens. So you basically created the army that call themselves Taliban.
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let me make it clear for you -

1. Taliban was created by Mullah Omar in mid 90's to take over Afghanistan because after war against USSR, America & allied nations left them.. didn't care about them. Afghanistan, a war-torn country, plunged into years-long of tribal wars and poverty. Afghans supported Taliban's original view and thought it would bring stability to country - the strictest interpretation of Sharia law. Later - Taliban got corrupted and abusive. Now the Afghans do not want Taliban to come back.

2. Al Qaeda was created by Osama bin Laden and Abdullah Azzam in around 1988. Its mission was to wage a jihad against those who attack Arab nations

3. Both are Sunni Islamist fundamentalists

4. Taliban is consisted of Pashtun tribes in Afghanistan
5. Al Queda is consisted of mujahideen from several Arab nations

6. The mujahideen that we trained & funded to fight against USSR in Afghanistan... they were from all Arab countries as volunteers. After the war - many returned to their home countries. The remaining few hundreds (or thousands) stuck around to stay with Osama bin Laden.

7. Saudi Arabia government exiled Osama bin Laden and Taliban offered him to come in

8. since Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar shared same agendas - they became allies but Mullah Omar wasn't too pleased about Osama bin Laden coming in and taking control but hey - what can he do about it? Osama bin Laden has what Mullah Omar doesn't have - thousands of well-seasoned, highly-trained soldiers, global connections, and money. lots lots lots of money.
 
Jiro said:
let me make it clear for you -

1. Taliban was created by Mullah Omar in mid 90's to take over Afghanistan because after war against USSR, America & allied nations left them.. didn't care about them. Afghanistan, a war-torn country, plunged into years-long of tribal wars and poverty. Afghans supported Taliban's original view and thought it would bring stability to country - the strictest interpretation of Sharia law. Later - Taliban got corrupted and abusive. Now the Afghans do not want Taliban to come back.

2. Al Qaeda was created by Osama bin Laden and Abdullah Azzam in around 1988. Its mission was to wage a jihad against those who attack Arab nations

3. Both are Sunni Islamist fundamentalists

4. Taliban is consisted of Pashtun tribes in Afghanistan
5. Al Queda is consisted of mujahideen from several Arab nations

6. The mujahideen that we trained & funded to fight against USSR in Afghanistan... they were from all Arab countries as volunteers. After the war - many returned to their home countries. The remaining few hundreds (or thousands) stuck around to stay with Osama bin Laden.

7. Saudi Arabia government exiled Osama bin Laden and Taliban offered him to come in

8. since Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar shared same agendas - they became allies but Mullah Omar wasn't too pleased about Osama bin Laden coming in and taking control but hey - what can he do about it? Osama bin Laden has what Mullah Omar doesn't have - thousands of well-seasoned, highly-trained soldiers, global connections, and money. lots lots lots of money.
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1. Taliban wasn't created by a single man. Look up US army, CIA, ISI, mujahideens.

2. Al Qaeda has nothing to do with Taliban killing children.

3. Again, Al Qaeda...

4. Every mujaideens come from one or another family. What's the big deal about some of them beeing pashtuns?

5. Again, Al Qaeda...

6. Pashtun mujahideens was trained by US. They are the mujahideens that got best served by the US as well. They were choosed by US and Pakistan to take over Afghanistan during the civil war.

7. Again, Al Qaeda...

8. Taliban makes much much much more money from opium trading than some few dollars from a single person. Your calims are very unrealistic, and only a guy like Bush would belive that. Al Qaeda is loosely organized and is more of an ideology than a real mafia organization, like Taliban.

You guys also learned the pashtun mujahideens to trade drugs. You did a good job ;)
 
naisho said:
I feel you because I get the same feeling. Can't deny I think a real kid's life should be different.

The difference between my thought from yours is that I try not to impose our culture on theirs, if they want to then they can adapt ours.. but it's their freedom and their choice etc. I'm sure some kids would love to live an american lifestyle but the choice is theirs to make first.

If we say "this is how you must live" then we are no different from imperialist America.
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Too bad the children and women there do not have a choice. :(

Sad indeed.
 
I hope to see this thread is going to be locked. everyone said it all and done.
 
naisho said:
People will do anything in war. If the boy really signed up for it, can't say he didn't have it coming..
Now if his parents forced him to spy then that's a different story.
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A 7-year-old cannot truly "sign on" to spying. There's no way he would seriously know the implications of taking on a spy mission. There is no justification for what the Taliban did.
 
Jiro said:
war's hell :(

any form of spying by a person of any age and gender... it's an automatic death penalty :(
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No, it isn't an automatic death penalty. It depends on the laws of the country being spied upon.
 
Jiro said:
the mentality of 7 years old in Afghanistan is different from 7 years old in America.
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Executing a 7-year-old is wrong no matter what "mentality" is ascribed to them.

Besides, it wasn't an execution. It was murder. The Taliban is not a legal government entity.
 
Reba said:
A 7-year-old cannot truly "sign on" to spying. There's no way he would seriously know the implications of taking on a spy mission. There is no justification for what the Taliban did.
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Exactly. They are animals. I'm not saying we should be in Afghanistan now, or ever should have been there in the first place, but the Taliban and what they stand for do not get the "cultural relativism" protection, IMO. They are a disgrace to humanity. The problem is, we cannot fight injustice with unjust wars. Change must come from expelling ignorance, not human bodies.
 
naisho said:
Right, that's what it is.
The people who proclaim this is outrageous need to respect other country's cultures first before arguing.
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The Taliban are not an ethnic or national "culture". There is no need to respect a gang of thugs.
 
naisho said:
I feel you because I get the same feeling. Can't deny I think a real kid's life should be different.

The difference between my thought from yours is that I try not to impose our culture on theirs, if they want to then they can adapt ours.. but it's their freedom and their choice etc. I'm sure some kids would love to live an american lifestyle but the choice is theirs to make first.
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No one is saying the boy should "live an American lifestyle" but that he shouldn't be killed. That's a big difference.

If we say "this is how you must live" then we are no different from imperialist America.
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That's ridiculous. Speaking out against the murder of children is not American imperialism.

Afghan people are speaking out and condemning the murder of this child, too. It's extremely insulting to the Afghan people to imply that murdering 7-year-old boys for political reasons is accepted by their national culture.

The Taliban kill women and children in order to maintain their power over people thru intimidation and fear. It has nothing to do with practicing a culture.
 
Aghori said:
There is no age restriction for execution.
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Says who?

Also, it wasn't a lawful execution; it was murder by a rogue group, not a legal entity.
 
UPDATE

Afghanistan
Afghan Taliban Hang 7-Year-Old Boy to Punish Family

Published June 11, 2010
| Times of London

A 7-year-old boy was murdered by the Taliban in an apparent act of retribution this week. Afghan officials said that the child was accused of spying for U.S. and NATO forces and hanged from a tree in southern Afghanistan.

Daoud Ahmadi, the spokesman for the provincial governor of Helmand, said that the killing happened days after the boy's grandfather, Abdul Woodod Alokozai, spoke out against militants in their home village.

Ahmadi said: "His grandfather is a tribal elder in the village and the village is under the control of the Taliban. His grandfather said some good things about the government and he formed a small group of people to stand against the Taliban. That's why the Taliban killed his grandson in revenge."

Shamsuddin Khan Faryie, an elder in the boy's home village of Heratiyan, said that the victim was seized as he played in his garden. He was found hanged from a nearby tree.

The killing of children to punish their families has echoes of Western mafia-style violence. Under Pashtunwali, the ancient honor code of the Pashtuns, it is likely to provoke more vendettas and blood-letting.
 
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