for that, honey... my answer is-
(this is me at range today)
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Do you think it's easy to do that if the attacker is behind your back unexpectly/suddenly?
Well, yeah, of course. Our police aren't sexist.
You said this for a first time.
This is an exactly what I am trying to say. Accord investigation either it's self-defense or not.
Where have I say that Police bring their firing range? I only know what I said is Police advised us to come to them if we want to question about self-defense... if we want to become gunowner... etc. how to shoot to wound, not kill... Police would be happy because they prefer to shoot to wound the people, not kill... If happeend suddenly/unexpectly then is a different story.
Train to make sure that no gun should go to chest (which I mean is heart) and to head (which I mean is brain) because it would kill them real fast... Get it?
Do you have any experience to shoot an attacker/intruder? If yes, I would love to hear your story what you experienced.
Why do I have repeat this to you? I already said that I DECIDE that gun is not one for me after learn pros/cons over gun issues... because I KNOW I am bad shooter and would kill them... Get it?
Your posts make me wondering because you often say about chest, etc., kill is okay, not wound... Many police officers prefer to shoot to wound the people to stop them from threat... Shoot to wound them to make them fall down which easy for police officer to catch them... that's why I said "I guess that America and Germany is different.
Not always... I watch original criminal TV once a month (not film)... like document to ask us for help them to search crimes... They said accord statistic that many attackers/intruders leave us alone alive if we do what they say than run off to get gun or any weapons... they would kill us first if we try to run off to get something...
Can you? I can't image that you prefer to run to get gun than do something to defense your life.
Yes, it's true. I only say because many people use weapon under their pillow which is not good.
Yes, but what if some people do not like to own gun? I remember from read the article somewhere that a lady cries for the help because her estrangle husband beat her up... Police advised her to get gun. A lady refused and said that she do not like a gun. Police said: "Ok, it's your choice"... It sound not much solution for her if she do not want to own a gun?
Re-read your own word...
"You can't possibly be saying that self-defense is not legal in Germany." after quoted me post saying "I didn't know that we are allow to kill anyone accord self-defense". I can see that you misinterpreted my post.
I replied: "who says that self-defense is an illegal in Germany? I do not see anything that I say" that's because I suggest that Germany and America gun law is different which mean is it's okay for Americans to shot to kill no matter what either intruder do not have weapons or not... call it as self-defense... which here in Germany doesn't. We are being trained how to do self-defense because it's not easy for court when it affect "self-defense". It would be good if police's confirm that it's self-defense if I kill an attacker to defense my life.
Nice try...
It make me look like that you think it's okay because I know your response in your previous posts... example like this.
I questioned you about Cleared: family man who killed a 'burglar' | News - Your replied to my question to ignore this link, I provided about drunk neighbor.... AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Supreme Court to consider D.C. Handgun Ban
AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Supreme Court to consider D.C. Handgun Ban
I would say the same as well... Please ask first if you are not sure instead of misinterpret my post.
Huh? My friend is not an ignorant. She learn to focus and respect the law. Yes, I'm the same as her as well because we want to respect the law. Yes she told me many thing is almost same as here in Germany which is different what I read some posts here.
Anyone can sue for anything; it doesn't mean they will win.
Again, Please stay focused on my post... I said: "the family of intruder would sue you for shoot him IF he is OUT of your properly" which mean an intruder ran from our house property to out of our house property. Get it?
Now you talked about outside which far away from your house... Yes, you have the right to defend yourself.
Yes, it prove them that you defend for your own life.
FYI: I do not have experience with them before... I watched police criminal TV once a month... Accord them, rarely killed and most leave them survived with injury by intruders... Most attackers are outside of houses like park, car park, bank, etc...
Yes I know you QUESTIONED me. I only want to make that your question is hypocrisy or not. Your question made me wondering because it look like that you had any experience from know the people like that or learn from the news or whatever... or just hypocrisy...? I want to make sure first before jump too quickly...Now I got your answer... It's just question... Ah it's just hypocrite question.
wow interesting! I thought sign the ticket mean that I am guilty of the charge... We often were being advised to NEVER sign if we doubt... but go direct to lawyer.
Here in Germany, the police do not need to stop us for over-speeding driving but the speed camera. We got flashed by speed camera when we are over-speeding limit. Few days later we got a letter from police to see how much we have to pay speeding fine with how many points, they add in my driving liescne if my speeding limit is more than 15 ..., if under 15, no points. This is a simple.
Police only arrest drunk drivers after check alochol...
for advice... I will zip my mouth shut when any happen to me in America.
Well, I would like to share my posts of last year at other thread...
My post # 84 over my British and American friend whom we met last year... He had bad experienced with police officer in Florida. - AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Why do people call America FREE when it's not?
From most posts #94 to 117 over my co-worker and speeding drive in US caserne on that same thread.
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/45129-why-do-people-call-america-free-when-its-not-4.html
to official update of my post over my co-worker.
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/45129-why-do-people-call-america-free-when-its-not-9.html
I would agree if they use foul language or disrespect on Police Officer but... why can't they open their mouth when they want to say something to Police Officer?
Another link over deaf American who was being beat up by cop because he get paper & pen out from his pocket and try to tell him that he is deaf.
http://www.alldeaf.com/current-even...-police-when-pulling-over-local-deaf-man.html
Deaf man was being taser by Police officer
Deaf Man Tased in the Bathroom
http://www.kwch.com/global/story.asp?s=7446220
Oh please.... :roll:
See the links above, I posted. I know from someone that a driver did not do anything to Police Officer but tried to tell him to check speed limit sign... and ask him to read him and his right... that's it. Police Officer handle incorrectly.
How? I only do what the Police Officer require is my driving liesce and papers, ID... All what I have is in my purse... They would arrest me for disobey him if I put my purse away?... How? I alway carry driving liescne, papers and ID in my purse to everywhere... case the police ask for my ID... Police do ask me for my ID sometimes to the public or in the car.
Very sad, that Police Officer did not use their good judgment... when they ask for ID...
Not just them but everyone do have familly, parents, etc. We all risk our life to attackers/intruders, road accident, etc. etc. etc. This kind of world we live, always have risk everyday like that.
Yes I can understand each person have different feeling after view which self-defense is right for him/her.
Accord google, many people killed by taser.
people were being killed by taser - Google-Suche
the proof of those video... If they know they did nothing wrong to him then they would not pay $40,000 to him and let him to file lawsuit against them, don't they?
A driver and his wife were going to file a lawsuit against them. They were being negioated and accept $40,000 from Police Department (state) to drop lawsuit against Police Officer.
To me, I disagree with Police officer's action because a driver did nothing. He did not disobey Police Officer but tried to explain him about speed limit sign... and ask him to read him and his rights...
Again - I told you... do NOT argue with the police and you can fix this ticket at the court. SIMPLELiebling:-))) said:
No no - For example.... you have already shown your ID and papers to officer. And then the officer will tell you what's the charge. "I pulled you over because you ran that STOP sign." and then you started being argumentative to him that the tree was obstructing the view or whatsoever. And then you suddenly reached into your purse to get your cell phone to call your lawyer. THAT IS RED FLAG. The cop will think you're reaching for gun in your purse!Liebling:-))) said:
You can... in a CALM professional manner. If the cop still thinks he is right, JUST ACCEPT IT. You can argue and defend your case AT COURT! Many people argued with the officer, thinking it will change everything...Liebling:-))) said:
As I said - signing the ticket (only in USA so I don't know about other country) does not mean you are admitting the guilt. It only means you pledged to appear at court.Liebling:-))) said:
Big Brother at work....Liebling:-))) said:
I wonder - How does police know whose license to add points to? What if it were your friend driving the car? Police Officers in USA are NOT ALLOWED to shoot at UNARMED people. They are NOT ALLOWED to shoot at leg/arm to stop them from running.Liebling:-))) said:
oh no no you misunderstood. Alarm Security System is not government-run. You pay monthly fees to some security companies. Are you saying your friend is using security system monitored by police department?Liebling:-))) said:
No No - it HELPS to identify who the target is. That means I won't be ACCIDENTALLY shooting my neighbor or a teen.Liebling:-))) said:
In Germany - criminals know nobody is carrying guns therefore everybody is an easy target! 
But a shot in the arm or leg doesn't IMMEDIATELY STOP an attacker. That's the important difference. If he's conscious and alive even another 20 minutes with a leg wound, he can still shoot back and do other damage to you.
wow... I zip my mouth... Here in Germany, we can argue with Police in manner way.
No no... I am trying to say that ID and papers is IN my handbag (purse)... You suggested that I should leave handbag away... I asked you HOW? because ID and papers is IN my handbag... It would "disobey" to them if I didn't go to get handbag for ID and papers ... How? If I am not allow to try to explain him that ID and papers in my handbag? They would taser me for try to explain him...????
Yes, yes, I know what you are saying before about get cell phone to call lawyer... I am trying to tell you about ID and papers IN my handbag... How about that?
You can... in a CALM professional manner. If the cop still thinks he is right, JUST ACCEPT IT. You can argue and defend your case AT COURT! Many people argued with the officer, thinking it will change everything...
wow...
Yes, you explained in previuos post... I find interesting which many countries including Germany doesn't.
Big Brother at work....
It's good to identify the driving number if any stolen?
Simple: Vehicle plate number... - it helps to search the lost and stolen cars... The police installed the speed camera on different time to collect their money from us... Police don't care either my friend use my car because it's my problem, not their. Police only care if I report missing and stolen vehicle... that's it.
All vehicle plate numbers go to police criminal department.
What you do if your car are missing and stolen?
Accord many links, they did.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh I see... no, my friend order and let company to install security system and contact/inform the police. I will ask her bit more for clarify. I only know from her that she do not need to pay month fees.
Oh I got it... that's why I want to make sure first before I say something... Yes, I agree with you on this... it's good!
You talked about your 2 incidents about when you were alone. Well how about this - what if it was a "norm" to carry a gun (only lawful citizens)? Nobody's going to hurt you and you can jog alone at night.
about the bike incident where you almost hit him... have you considered that the biker may be scared because you are probably reaching for gun in your purse?
I will answer on this later.
I can't get the video to play, so I don't know what your point was for that.
No where in the linked article did it say that the police officer aimed at the woman's leg. It said that she was shot in the leg. How do you know where the officer was aiming? He might have been aiming for the chest and missed. We don't know. The article doesn't say anything about training or aiming for the leg.Aurora officer shoots woman with gun in the leg
Aurora officer shoots woman in the leg : Updates : The Rocky Mountain News
IAurora police officer!
I would suggest police officers from different states should go to Aurora to train them how to shoot to stopl, not kill ..
Here's another quote from your link:
If someone is struck in the femoral artery it is very easy to die from blood loss. Google "femoral artery death", and you'll see how many pop up.
I had been attacked at officer in 1994 when I was 6 years old, I was start wild and attack at bus keeper, that where women who take care of handicapped kids in special bus, she showed a point the police car to me at bus's window and I just feel disgusted then almost attacked her, yelled so loudly then bus driver had call police via CB radio and stopped the bus, officer got in bus and grabbed my arm so hard and got out of bus, I was punched at his chest and kick at leg, nearly to body until other officer had stopped to tight my body down and 1st officer was slapped my face so hard then arrested with handcuff and drove to police station then put me in jail alone, several min later then sat in office after calm down and I was act like very wild kid, just had wait until my parent picked me up, that's not funny but it happens when some young child are bad.
There's no taser gun at this time, even can't point the gun at unarmed child like me but slapping isn't right, it can considered as child abuse but I don't have enough mind to report at this time, I just looks like special education, really not basic knowledge, even I had been raised at bad preschool, just nothing to learn and not know how to fully communicate until when I was 8 or 9 years old.
