substituting or is this what he hears?

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Deafguy25 said:
So....yes?

None of the parents claim to have the one right way to educate a deaf child, they simply say that they are making the choices for their own child. But you claim to know what is right for every single deaf child.

Guess you should have come and yelled at my family! :giggle:
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Giving them both worlds is not the right way? From my understanding, you got both so why should I yell at your parents?

Are you tripping or what?

I have supported the concept of giving all deaf children BOTH. :roll:
 
shel90 said:
Giving them both worlds is not the right way? From my understanding, you got both so why should I yell at your parents?

Are you tripping or what?

I have supported the concept of giving all deaf children BOTH. :roll:
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I was in a mainstream school for my whole school career. I was in the exact "limited" environment you are talking about. I was forced to interact with hearing peers and use my weakest sense for learning :shock: Did my parents signing at home negate that?
 
Deafguy25 said:
I was in a mainstream school for my whole school career. I was in the exact "limited" environment you are talking about. I was forced to interact with hearing peers and use my weakest sense for learning :shock: Did my parents signing at home negate that?
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Huh?

Try being in an environment with no signing 24/7 and no access to other deaf children growing up. Then, we can talk.
 
Deafguy25 said:
Right, so anyone who chooses anything besides ASL is wrong.

(I consider a bi-bi magnet school just another version of a Deaf school.)
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I wonder what people would think if you put a hearing child in a classroom then put very dark, barely see-through blindfolds over their eyes and then sign to them. Parents would be saying "what a dumbass thing to do. What's the point of this?"

That's essentially what it's like for a deaf child in a hearing classroom, being forced to use lack of hearing to hear and somehow its supposed to make sense. it really doesn't. Parents can yell about their rights all they want, it's still a bad choice to make for a child who does not have access to decent enough hearing to put them in hearing classes.
 
shel90 said:
:eek3:

You got me mixed up with someone else that is for sure!
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I'm going by your statement here that your then-10yo daughter had been signing SEE for the previous 5 years, at that time. You can usually tell more by someone's actions than by their words.

shel90 said:
My daughter is not fluent in ASL because I became fluent at it when she was about 5 years old and started using it with her. She signs in SEE..
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DeafCaroline said:
I wonder what people would think if you put a hearing child in a classroom then put very dark, barely see-through blindfolds over their eyes and then sign to them. Parents would be saying "what a dumbass thing to do. What's the point of this?"

That's essentially what it's like for a deaf child in a hearing classroom, being forced to use lack of hearing to hear and somehow its supposed to make sense. it really doesn't. Parents can yell about their rights all they want, it's still a bad choice to make for a child who does not have access to decent enough hearing to put them in hearing classes.
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Oh, the person who does that to a hearing child would be locked away forever!

That is what these people dont get. Fine whatever..
 
shel90 said:
Countless others on AllDeaf have learned ASL after they have became adults as well. Even the late deafened. We can ask them for their input. :)

All honest here, I'd appreciate their input more than the medical professionals that have never experienced a footstep in our world.

Same here...

So many newcomers who are deaf or late deafened come in here saying they wish they could belong to the Deaf world but are afraid to try due to not knowing ASL. It is a shame, isnt it?
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*SO* true! Feel like big weight lift off shoulders from so many years of carrying around 'hearie' identity that never fit with who *I* thought I was.

But, audist parents do not want to *hear* (pun intended) so simply give up and wait until adult to start embracing true identity. Deaf woman and proud of it!
 
GrendelQ said:
I'm going by your statement here that your then-10yo daughter had been signing SEE for the previous 5 years, at that time. You can usually tell more by someone's actions than by their words.
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Wow What a WAY to twist my words!!!

Oh my god!!! How dare you!

Anyone who knows me knows the reason for it. It was BECAUSE I WAS LEARNING ASL AT THE TIME SHE WAS BORN AND I MADE THE FREAKING MISTAKE OF SIM-COM WITH HER HENCE SHE DIDNT HAVE EXPOSURE TO ASL SO SHE IS NOT AROUND IT AS SHE WAS FLOATING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MY HEARING EX HUSBAND AND I IN A BAD SITUATION.

ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS HOW MUCH I REGRET NOT TURNING MY VOICE OFF WITH HER!!!

WANT TO GO LOW...LETS GO!

MY HEARING SON IS FLUENT IN ASL BECAUSE I DIDNT REPEAT MY MISTAKE WITH STUPID SIM-COM
 
shel90 said:
GrendelQ said:
Faire Jour's family became bilingual, she raised her daughter with ASL-only for the first, what, 5-6 years of her life? And then added spoken language, while continuing ASL. Her daughter continues to use both ASL and English, from what I read.

Read this once again and tell me where you see that Rick says oral-only is the only way to go.



And Shel, you've tried different approached with your children, haven't you? When I first joined, you were a SEE advocate.[/QUOTE]

:eek3:

You got me mixed up with someone else that is for sure!
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YOU a SEE avocate? I sure don't recall you ever advocating that and I joined before GrendelQ.
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Deafguy25 said:
I was in a mainstream school for my whole school career. I was in the exact "limited" environment you are talking about. I was forced to interact with hearing peers and use my weakest sense for learning :shock: Did my parents signing at home negate that?
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You have implants. Completely different. do not compare yourself to kids who did NOT have access to decent hearing in mainstream settings and whose parents did NOT use ASL at home.
 
shel90 said:
Wow What a WAY to twist my words!!!

Oh my god!!! How dare you!

Anyone who knows me knows the reason for it. It was BECAUSE I WAS LEARNING ASL AT THE TIME SHE WAS BORN AND I MADE THE FREAKING MISTAKE OF SIM-COM WITH HER HENCE SHE DIDNT HAVE EXPOSURE TO ASL SO SHE IS NOT AROUND IT AS SHE WAS FLOATING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MY HEARING EX HUSBAND AND I IN A BAD SITUATION.

ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS HOW MUCH I REGRET NOT TURNING MY VOICE OFF WITH HER!!!

WANT TO GO LOW...LETS GO!

MY HEARING SON IS FLUENT IN ASL BECAUSE I DIDNT REPEAT MY MISTAKE WITH STUPID SIM-COM
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Grendel knows this already - she's just being a ....
 
DeafCaroline said:
Grendel knows this already - she's just being a ....
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I dont use her daughter against her...using my daughter against me after all the trauma I went through with her. That is SICK.
 
DeafCaroline said:
You have implants. Completely different. do not compare yourself to kids who did NOT have access to decent hearing in mainstream settings and whose parents did NOT use ASL at home.
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But Shel is saying that the only right way to raise a deaf child is with ASL at home and school, implants or not. But I have yet to see one parent who claims that their way is the only right way to educate a deaf child. Look at Grendel's signature!
 
Deafguy25 said:
But Shel is saying that the only right way to raise a deaf child is with ASL at home and school, implants or not. But I have yet to see one parent who claims that their way is the only right way to educate a deaf child. Look at Grendel's signature!
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again, go back 5 years...
 
Deafguy25 said:
But Shel is saying that the only right way to raise a deaf child is with ASL at home and school, implants or not. But I have yet to see one parent who claims that their way is the only right way to educate a deaf child. Look at Grendel's signature!
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they may not say their way is the only right way yet the majority of them put deaf kids in mainstream settings. actions talk louder than words.
 
DeafCaroline said:
they may not say their way is the only right way yet the majority of them put deaf kids in mainstream settings. actions talk louder than words.
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Not the parents here....

And just because you think that a choice is right for one specific child doesn't mean you think that it is true for all kids.
 
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