substituting or is this what he hears?

[GrendelQ]

Long history with these parents...he is not doing as an insult but making a point about their needs for the oral-only approach.

You do realize that no one has proposed that the only possible method is an oral-only approach, right? It's as though some people are battling their imaginary demons and swiping at bystanders in the process.

 

[shel90]

You do realize that no one has proposed that the only possible method is an oral-only approach, right? It's as though some people are battling their imaginary demons and swiping at bystanders in the process.

Rick is a strong advocate for it. I haven't seen any of you oppose to it, except for Jillio. FJ has pulled her daughter out of a BIBI program to go the oral-only program. Pls don't talk about us being loony...we aren't stupid.

 

[AlleyCat]

You do realize that no one has proposed that the only possible method is an oral-only approach, right? It's as though some people are battling their imaginary demons and swiping at bystanders in the process.

yowza. talk about about blinders. The very cronie you're trying to defend has done exactly that. He's openly admitted his daughter had an oral-only raising.

 

[AlleyCat]

Rick is a strong advocate for it. I haven't seen any of you oppose to it, except for Jillio. FJ has pulled her daughter out of a BIBI program to go the oral-only program. Pls don't talk about us being loony...we aren't stupid.

Exactly. I don't know what we're being taken for, but it's apparently a laughing matter to them.

 

[shel90]

Just as wearing hearing aids or a CI doesn't mean that ASL is a 'failure', neither does learning ASL mean that CIs or hearing aids are a 'failure'. Attending NTID or Gallaudet doesn't mean that hearing aids are a 'failure.' It's a very odd way of putting things to suggest that these things are somehow mutually exclusive.

Maybe we should revist the imaginary demons?

PFH is not saying that. Why do you attempt to twist everything he says?

 

[Deafguy25]

yowza. talk about about blinders. The very cronie you're trying to defend has done exactly that. He's openly admitted his daughter had an oral-only raising.

Does he say that his way is the only right way to raise a deaf child? Is he advocating for shutting down Deaf schools? Asking for Deaf schools to be required to switch to spoken language and insist that they have 51% hearing teachers, hearing administration? Going to the NAD picketing and protesting their conferences?

 

[shel90]

Does he say that his way is the only right way to raise a deaf child? Is he advocating for shutting down Deaf schools? Asking for Deaf schools to be required to switch to spoken language and insist that they have 51% hearing teachers, hearing administration? Going to the NAD picketing and protesting their conferences?

Oh, I wish you were here 5 years ago.

 

[AlleyCat]

Shel, where did we keep the troll spray can?

 

[shel90]

Shel, where did we keep the troll spray can?

I think Jillio has it but she is still in jail.

 

[Deafguy25]

Shel, where did we keep the troll spray can?

Because someone disagrees with you, that makes them a troll? :roll:

 

[Deafguy25]

Oh, I wish you were here 5 years ago.

You are claiming that the parents here all think that oral only is the only option, right? I am just looking for a reason for that belief. Grendel appears to have her child in a bi-bi school, Csign obviously uses sign with her son, and Rick, yeah he raised his kid mainstreamed but where do you get the idea that he believes it is the only right way. YOU have actually stated numerous times that your way (ASL, Deaf school) is the only right way.

 

[DeafCaroline]

You do realize that no one has proposed that the only possible method is an oral-only approach, right? It's as though some people are battling their imaginary demons and swiping at bystanders in the process.

Guys, let's get back to the debate at hand. PFH is not wrong when he says many hearing parents do opt for oralism and mainstreaming and that deprivation of ASL, especially for a non-implanted deaf child, has negative consequences.

PFH has never talked about his child, at least no that I'm aware of. His daughter is raised oral only? Really?

 

[shel90]

You are claiming that the parents here all think that oral only is the only option, right? I am just looking for a reason for that belief. Grendel appears to have her child in a bi-bi school, Csign obviously uses sign with her son, and Rick, yeah he raised his kid mainstreamed but where do you get the idea that he believes it is the only right way. YOU have actually stated numerous times that your way (ASL, Deaf school) is the only right way.

ASL and English....

never said Deaf schools ...I have stated in the past that I support strong deaf programs in public schools that support ASL as well.

See, what I mean? You really have no idea of the history behind some of us and with these parents. Feel free to go back to the many threads dating back to 2006 to catch up.

 

[DeafBadger]

Personally, I can't hear the difference between "d" "b" or "g" and "t", unless I'm lipreading (even then, not easy). I pronounce them "correctly" because of years of speech training in grade school. I don't actually hear them distinctively.

I'm guessing your son has the same thing.

 

[deafskeptic]

I think Jillio has it but she is still in jail.

I thought I lost it!

 

[Deafguy25]

ASL and English....

never said Deaf schools ...I have stated in the past that I support strong deaf programs in public schools that support ASL as well.

See, what I mean? You really have no idea of the history behind some of us and with these parents. Feel free to go back to the many threads dating back to 2006 to catch up.

Right, so anyone who chooses anything besides ASL is wrong.

(I consider a bi-bi magnet school just another version of a Deaf school.)

 

[shel90]

Right, so anyone who chooses anything besides ASL is wrong.

(I consider a bi-bi magnet school just another version of a Deaf school.)

Using the deaf child's weakest sense to acquire language, to understand anything in the academic setting, and to interact with only hearing peers is just wrong.

They all should be provided with both not one or the other.

So, accuse me all you want but I stand by my beliefs when it comes to deaf children. Hearing children arent subjected to those kinds of risks but deaf children are....that doesnt make it ok in my book.

maybe for you and the others, it does. Doesnt mean I have to agree with you.

Call me stupid or whatever, but I have always stood by my beliefs in the past 6 years since joining AD. Not gonna change it and for a very good reason....the children.

 

[GrendelQ]

Rick is a strong advocate for it. I haven't seen any of you oppose to it, except for Jillio. FJ has pulled her daughter out of a BIBI program to go the oral-only program. Pls don't talk about us being loony...we aren't stupid.

Faire Jour's family became bilingual, she raised her daughter with ASL-only for the first, what, 5-6 years of her life? And then added spoken language, while continuing ASL. Her daughter continues to use both ASL and English, from what I read.

Read this once again and tell me where you see that Rick says oral-only is the only way to go.

dhn121,

That is both the good and bad thing about studies: there is one to support every method, the oral only has their studies, the sign only methodology has their studies to show you they are right and the bi-bi their studies and so on and so on....

Remember this, your child is not a study but a unique individual with his own needs and what works for some will not for others and visa versa. Focus on what works best for your child and be wary of those who say their method is the best. My daughter was raised orally and fully mainstreamed as were many others we know but what made it work well for her and for them was the fact that they had very good spoken/oral skills. I am not saying that having them is a guarantee or one cannot have a positive mainstream experience without them but based on my personal observations there is a high correlation between having those skills and a positive mainstream experience. Likewise, there are several people here who have already expressed the fact that even with good oral/spoken language skills they did not have a positive mainstream experience. Just further support for the fact that there is no one or "best" way to educate or raise a deaf child.

Just remember whatever method or educational setting you choose, to keep flexible and to constantly monitor and re-evaluate. These are not decisions that are set in stone and you very well may find that later on a different method and/or educational setting may be the best for your son at that time.

Good luck and best wishes.
Rick

And Shel, you've tried different approached with your children, haven't you? When I first joined, you were a SEE advocate.

My daughter is not fluent in ASL because I became fluent at it when she was about 5 years old and started using it with her. She signs in SEE..It will be interesting if my son will be more fluent in ASL at the age she is now (10 years old) because he has been exposed to it since birth. We'll see. My work is having an open BOT forum in May to discuss opening a daycare or admit hearing kids in pre-school. If it gets approved, I will put my son there so fast!

 

[Deafguy25]

Using the deaf child's weakest sense to acquire language, to understand anything in the academic setting, and to interact with only hearing peers is just wrong.

They all should be provided with both not one or the other.

So, accuse me all you want but I stand by my beliefs when it comes to deaf children. Hearing children arent subjected to those kinds of risks but deaf children are....that doesnt make it ok in my book.

maybe for you and the others, it does. Doesnt mean I have to agree with you.

Call me stupid or whatever, but I have always stood by my beliefs in the past 6 years since joining AD. Not gonna change it and for a very good reason....the children.

So....yes?

None of the parents claim to have the one right way to educate a deaf child, they simply say that they are making the choices for their own child. But you claim to know what is right for every single deaf child.

Guess you should have come and yelled at my family!

 

[shel90]

Faire Jour's family became bilingual, she raised her daughter with ASL-only for the first, what, 5-6 years of her life? And then added spoken language, while continuing ASL. Her daughter continues to use both ASL and English, from what I read.

Read this once again and tell me where you see that Rick says oral-only is the only way to go.



And Shel, you've tried different approached with your children, haven't you? When I first joined, you were a SEE advocate.[/QUOTE]



You got me mixed up with someone else that is for sure!