Spokane NAACP President; white or black?

Jezie said:
But how is she being dishonest when she is, by way of ancestry, 20 percent African American?
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How could she have 20 percent African American ancestry if her parents don't? I can't find any source for that 20 percent allegation. Can you please give us the link for that source?
 
Reba said:
How could she have 20 percent African American ancestry if her parents don't? I can't find any source for that 20 percent allegation. Can you please give us the link for that source?
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I am still looking for it...ran a cross it earlier this week...but have to point out another link that I cannot help but to post...a does account for her honesty that you have questioned....

http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/12/if-rachel-dolezal-isnt-black-how-is-caitlyn-jenner-a-woman/
 
I think Rachel Dolezal put a lot of tan lotion to make looks like black.

Remind me of John Boehner.

Oh wait... we have first black, republican man in house speaker. :lol:
 
Jezie said:
I am still looking for it...ran a cross it earlier this week...but have to point out another link that I cannot help but to post...a does account for her honesty that you have questioned....

http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/12/if-rachel-dolezal-isnt-black-how-is-caitlyn-jenner-a-woman/
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Yes, it does.

". . .Which brings us right back to Rachel Dolezal. She’s no hero. She’s a fraud, and likely one in need of serious mental help. She deliberately lived out a charade. At least in this instance, society seems to recognize that you cannot change who you are merely by playing dress-up and declaring that white is now black...."
 
Reba said:
Yes, it does.

". . .Which brings us right back to Rachel Dolezal. She’s no hero. She’s a fraud, and likely one in need of serious mental help. She deliberately lived out a charade. At least in this instance, society seems to recognize that you cannot change who you are merely by playing dress-up and declaring that white is now black...."
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Of all that you nit pick ...sad... I will hand it to you on the 20 percent...i could have miss read somewhere because I cannot refind it in a Reliable Source....
Honesty is questioned by calling her on her son...yet she attwmpted to legally adopt and then her parents gave guardianship over, what is that of not a son.
...also, another note i have noticed in trying to refind the article that states the 20 percent (have noticed this 20 percent of whatever also changes but none is by her some say native some say black may keep looking for a reliable source) ... is that she never says she is black....she says she identifes as black... only actual lie I see her in so far is she claimed a black man as her father in a Twitter post.... Hmm yet Jenner is a woman .... with no surgery
How she isn't black even though she has culturally emersered herself.... for the last 10 or 20 years depending on how you look at it?

Sorry this girl is black if that is what she wants to be... we as a society need to leave people alone and stop judging all the time....what difference does this make?

Again the NAACP does not care, why attack this woman? She has done more for the African American community than Jenner has done for woman anywhere.... she has lived, worked, went to school, etc as a black woman... does what her estranged parents say really matter...let the woman be. I find it intereating that this comes out by the parents during yet another legal issue....


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/
 
Elizabeth Warren got a job at Harvard by claiming she is Native American
this was in the news awhile ago .
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Elizabeth Warren got a job at Harvard by claiming she is Native American
this was in the news awhile ago .
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True...but that one keeps floating around....I just do no see the big deal about her race? But I guess I am weird like that...
 
Actually, the DNA would support the case of her being African. In fact, if you believe the, "Out of Africa" theory that Africans pushed out other hominids to evolve into homo sapiens, (or even if you don't, multiregional theory starts there are well)we are all Africans.

She might have a pretty good case. Just sayin...
 
I don't care if she is white or black, but she lied on the application, saying that she is African American or black which is a red flag. She could lose her job, and the whole world will know who she is, the more harder for her to find another job. Media is powerful.
 
authentic said:
I don't care if she is white or black, but she lied on the application, saying that she is African American or black which is a red flag. She could lose her job, and the whole world will know who she is, the more harder for her to find another job. Media is powerful.
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But how did she lie...she listed white, black, and native American....two she is the other she identifies as....so technically she never lied about it....
 
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Jezie said:
Of all that you nit pick ...sad…
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Well, it was your link.

I will hand it to you on the 20 percent...i could have miss read somewhere because I cannot refind it in a Reliable Source….
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OK.

Honesty is questioned by calling her on her son...yet she attwmpted to legally adopt and then her parents gave guardianship over, what is that of not a son.
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She told people that he was her son by birth from her relationship with her husband.

...also, another note i have noticed in trying to refind the article that states the 20 percent (have noticed this 20 percent of whatever also changes but none is by her some say native some say black may keep looking for a reliable source) ... is that she never says she is black....she says she identifes as black…
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"Dolezal's application for appointment to Spokane's new police ombudsman commission was signed by Dolezal and submitted in May 2014. The application was acquired by The Press through a public record request.

. . . On the application for the oversight committee is a section to declare ethnicity. On Dolezal's application, she indicated that she was white, African-American, Native American and two or more races."

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only actual lie I see her in so far is she claimed a black man as her father in a Twitter post....
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More than a Twitter post:

"In a February issue of the Easterner, EWU's student-run newspaper, Dolezal reportedly told a reporter that the man who raised her with her mother is her stepfather. In January, a photo of Dolezal and a black man appeared on the Spokane NAACP's Facebook page with the message: 'President Dolezal's father announced today that he will be coming to town for January 19th ribbon-cutting ceremony for the NAACP office ... and is expected to speak at the 7 p.m. MLK tribute membership meeting.'

But the man in the photo is not her father. The person in the photo is Albert Wilkerson - a black man who lived in North Idaho and volunteered at the Human Rights Education Institute several years ago when Dolezal was in charge of the organization's education programs. A similar picture was posted on Dolezal's personal Facebook page in December, with a comment made from Dolezal's account on the social media platform: 'L-R: Me, my oldest son Izaiah, and my Dad.'

Dolezal's mother said she has never met Albert Wilkerson and Rachel does not have a stepfather. She said her daughter's father is Larry Dolezal, a former Lincoln County Commissioner in Montana. Ruthanne and Larry just celebrated their 41st wedding anniversary on Monday, she said."

Also, there is still the case of the questionable allegations of racial hate mail.

Hmm yet Jenner is a woman .... with no surgery
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Jenner is still a man; he just looks like a woman when he's fixed up with a lot of make-up, good lighting, and the right photo software. Picking a new name doesn't change anything either. You can call me the Little Mermaid but I won't be able to live underwater.

How she isn't black even though she has culturally emersered herself.... for the last 10 or 20 years depending on how you look at it?
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Part of the black experience is growing up black from birth. She didn't have that experience.

However, if she wants to live the fantasy of being black then I guess she can. What's questionable is her using a fake racial identity to get a scholarship and career positions.

Sorry this girl is black if that is what she wants to be... we as a society need to leave people alone and stop judging all the time....what difference does this make?
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It makes a difference when this 37-year-old girl misrepresents herself on job applications. It's like putting a fake degree down on a resume.

Again the NAACP does not care, why attack this woman? She has done more for the African American community than Jenner has done for woman anywhere….
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Jenner is irrelevant. If Jenner didn't even exist, Dolezal would still be judged by her own actions. One has nothing to do with the other.

she has lived, worked, went to school, etc as a black woman... does what her estranged parents say really matter...let the woman be. I find it intereating that this comes out by the parents during yet another legal issue....
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The parents have rights, too. Maybe they don't like lies being told about them.
 
Jezie said:
But how did she lie...she listed white, black, and native American....two she is the other she identifies as....so technically she never lied about it....
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From what I've read, the form asked for origins, not identification. That's not the same thing.
 
Reba said:
Well, it was your link.


OK.


She told people that he was her son by birth from her relationship with her husband.


"Dolezal's application for appointment to Spokane's new police ombudsman commission was signed by Dolezal and submitted in May 2014. The application was acquired by The Press through a public record request.

. . . On the application for the oversight committee is a section to declare ethnicity. On Dolezal's application, she indicated that she was white, African-American, Native American and two or more races."

CDAPress Local News


More than a Twitter post:

"In a February issue of the Easterner, EWU's student-run newspaper, Dolezal reportedly told a reporter that the man who raised her with her mother is her stepfather. In January, a photo of Dolezal and a black man appeared on the Spokane NAACP's Facebook page with the message: 'President Dolezal's father announced today that he will be coming to town for January 19th ribbon-cutting ceremony for the NAACP office ... and is expected to speak at the 7 p.m. MLK tribute membership meeting.'

But the man in the photo is not her father. The person in the photo is Albert Wilkerson - a black man who lived in North Idaho and volunteered at the Human Rights Education Institute several years ago when Dolezal was in charge of the organization's education programs. A similar picture was posted on Dolezal's personal Facebook page in December, with a comment made from Dolezal's account on the social media platform: 'L-R: Me, my oldest son Izaiah, and my Dad.'

Dolezal's mother said she has never met Albert Wilkerson and Rachel does not have a stepfather. She said her daughter's father is Larry Dolezal, a former Lincoln County Commissioner in Montana. Ruthanne and Larry just celebrated their 41st wedding anniversary on Monday, she said."

Also, there is still the case of the questionable allegations of racial hate mail.


Jenner is still a man; he just looks like a woman when he's fixed up with a lot of make-up, good lighting, and the right photo software. Picking a new name doesn't change anything either. You can call me the Little Mermaid but I won't be able to live underwater.


Part of the black experience is growing up black from birth. She didn't have that experience.

However, if she wants to live the fantasy of being black then I guess she can. What's questionable is her using a fake racial identity to get a scholarship and career positions.


It makes a difference when this 37-year-old girl misrepresents herself on job applications. It's like putting a fake degree down on a resume.


Jenner is irrelevant. If Jenner didn't even exist, Dolezal would still be judged by her own actions. One has nothing to do with the other.


The parents have rights, too. Maybe they don't like lies being told about them.
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I have not seen where she claims him from birth while she did misrepresent herself too much...at 37 and from a young age she identified as black...a lot of people claim native american and no one jumps on them yet this woman is? As for what races she chose... looking up for legal requirement I found nothing....yet what i did find does state and/or show to chose what you identify with and says nothing of actual blood...Jenner is just a common one in news right now and you can take him or leave him....the race queation is one that is uncomfortable for many....this woman feels she is black and from a young age has submerged herself..."black experience" meh how about trying human experience .... people for us too much on race....let her claim whatever she wants...
 
:popcorn: I haven't seen this much action since the last exodus...

It's interesting how much movement there seems to be between groups; you don't have to be deaf for the Deaf Community, and you don't have to be black for the black community.

Lines? What lines? I don't see any lines...
 
VacationGuy234 said:
:popcorn: I haven't seen this much action since the last exodus...

It's interesting how much movement there seems to be between groups; you don't have to be deaf for the Deaf Community, and you don't have to be black for the black community.

Lines? What lines? I don't see any lines...
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um.... there's a big difference between being part of it and misinterpreting yourself.

it's ok for a hearing person to be part of deaf community but it's not ok for a hearing person to misinterpret himself as a deaf person.
it's ok for a white person to be part of Asian community but it's not ok for a white person to misinterpret himself as an Asian person.

in this case... many people were unaware of her true background. that's dishonesty on her part.
 
If your disposition doesn't matter, what does misrepresentation have to do with it? By that logic, one has not broken any rules. By that logic, she is a member of the Black Community; she is also member of the NAACP. That, according to the stated logic, does not change due to the fact that she lied about something else.

The fact is, based on those rules, she didn't lie about anything that had to do with any of those associations. She is member. She lied about her own ethnicity which is not a component of membership(apparently).

I disagree with this.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
If your disposition doesn't matter, what does misrepresentation have to do with it? By that logic, one has not broken any rules. By that logic, she is a member of the Black Community; she is also member of the NAACP. That, according to the stated logic, does not change due to the fact that she lied about something else.

The fact is, based on those rules, she didn't lie about anything that had to do with any of those associations. She is member. She lied about her own ethnicity which is not a component of membership(apparently).

I disagree with this.
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you're seeing this as being a member of something. that's not an issue. if somebody has a problem with that... well too bad. the big issue is Rachel Dolezal lying about her background. She lied and got a scholarship that's exclusively for "ethnicity black people". a big problem. a fraud. what else else she lied about?

When Rachel applied to Howard University to study art with a portfolio of “exclusively African American portraiture,” the university “took her for a black woman” and gave her a full scholarship.
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Jiro said:
are you ok with a hearing person "identifying" himself as a deaf person?
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No. That's my point. I do not believe that person is a member of that community. Dolezal is not a member of the Black Community; nor is she a member of Howard College. She may still be a member of the NAACP, at this point in time, but I'm sure that will change. These are not two separate issues.
 
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