Sound and Fury

Bebonang said:
You are still dreaming and going overboard. I have watched some of the videos about the miracle of having a children using a CIs and I noticed that young children are really suffering with being trying to talk and to be made to listen. Their faces are in pain and not happy at all. If you think that children rely on listening with spoken language and think that it will work like a miracle which is not true at all. Many hearing parents and professionals like Doctors, and Speech therapists are trying to force them to do this and the deaf children suffer the most. The hearing people do not understand how they have suffer with this. To me it is just a device putting into the Cochlear and if the implant is not working, then how do the child or young teenager get the Cochlear Implant out of their head? It is just surgery and it is not a miracle. To you and many other hearing people, It is always hoping and finding a way for a cure for the deaf children to be able to hear and to listen with spoken words and there is no guarantees at all. If you want your daughter to hear with only sounds from the hearing aids, but not listen as it is impossible even when young toddlers. They will be happy with it without the hassle. We can rely on using the hearing aids just for sounds only the sounds are not always clear. To some of the Hard of Hearing people, they can hear the sounds clear but not be able to pick up the words clearly. We have gone through experiences and it is very difficult to get the messages and explained our situations that it is bad enough not to be able to use ASL and forced us to do what you all wanted us to do. You all hearing people think that you all know all about deafness but you have never experience being deaf. We are all very proud to be DEAF. SO STOP!!!!
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News flash! A parent getting a cochlear implant for their child has nothing to do with you. No parent deciding whether to give their child the benefits of a cochlear implant cares whether you are proud of being deaf. They are trying to determine what is in the best interests of their child. Once again, you are not the issue so get over it!

It is patently obvious from your posts that not only are you ignorant about cochlear implants but you are just a bitter person.

BTW what experience do you have being hearing?
Rick
 
AlleyCat said:
Sorry, but I disagree. I do know of deaf people (several, in fact) who speak quite well and they've NEVER had any hearing. It is an exaggeration that anyone without a CI or without any hearing will be unable to learn to speak.
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Alleycat,

Faire jour was referring to her daughter and not to all deaf people. Yes, there are those who are profoundly deaf who have good oral language skills and no implant but they are not the norm and certainly their numbers pale in comparison to those profoundly deaf individuals who have delveloped oral language skills with cochlear implants.

There are many, and some on this board, who having been implanted later in life have related their personal experiences that the cochlear implant has given them so much more access to sound than they had previously experienced with HAs.
Rick
 
Two issues are being blurred here. There is the issue of how well does the CI work and the indirect effects of having a CI (such as being treated like a hearing). Those two are completely different to me. The anti-CI people are angry about how the CI is treated like a cure (which I've never experienced btw.) and the kid gets screwed because he gets treated like a hearing. However, some of them combine the two issues together and say that the CI doesn't work and makes children miserable. If the child is miserable, it has nothing to do with the CI, but rather the parent's high expectations of the child. It's no different from a child who is miserable because he cannot get A's, making his parents disappointed in him. I am not saying that ALL CIs work, but it's not fair to say that it's the CI's fault if a child seems to be miserable with the CIs.
 
faire_jour said:
Without a CI my daughter would be unable to learn to speak or understand spoken languge. That is no exaggeration.
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I commented your "they" statement, but now you change your claim and are talking about one single deaf person instead. Please make up your mind, are we talking about all deaf children or your daughter only?
 
rick48 said:
News flash! A parent getting a cochlear implant for their child has nothing to do with you. No parent deciding whether to give their child the benefits of a cochlear implant cares whether you are proud of being deaf. They are trying to determine what is in the best interests of their child. Once again, you are not the issue so get over it!

It is patently obvious from your posts that not only are you ignorant about cochlear implants but you are just a bitter person.

BTW what experience do you have being hearing?
Rick
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Waking up on the wrong side of the bed?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Two issues are being blurred here. There is the issue of how well does the CI work and the indirect effects of having a CI (such as being treated like a hearing). Those two are completely different to me. The anti-CI people are angry about how the CI is treated like a cure (which I've never experienced btw.) and the kid gets screwed because he gets treated like a hearing. However, some of them combine the two issues together and say that the CI doesn't work and makes children miserable. If the child is miserable, it has nothing to do with the CI, but rather the parent's high expectations of the child. It's no different from a child who is miserable because he cannot get A's, making his parents disappointed in him. I am not saying that ALL CIs work, but it's not fair to say that it's the CI's fault if a child seems to be miserable with the CIs.
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The pressure on a deaf child to become hearing from the environment when people realize it's implanted can be huge. Some deaf adults have reported that their families have stopped using sign language after they was implanted. The deaf adult had to explain their family that CI was not a "cure", but still some family members tries to keep on talking. You perhaps haven't experienced that, but it does happen.

Of course, we can't blame the CI itself. It's not guns that kills, but the finger that pulls the trigger.
 
Bebonang said:
You are still dreaming and going overboard. I have watched some of the videos about the miracle of having a children using a CIs and I noticed that young children are really suffering with being trying to talk and to be made to listen. Their faces are in pain and not happy at all. If you think that children rely on listening with spoken language and think that it will work like a miracle which is not true at all. Many hearing parents and professionals like Doctors, and Speech therapists are trying to force them to do this and the deaf children suffer the most. The hearing people do not understand how they have suffer with this. To me it is just a device putting into the Cochlear and if the implant is not working, then how do the child or young teenager get the Cochlear Implant out of their head? It is just surgery and it is not a miracle. To you and many other hearing people, It is always hoping and finding a way for a cure for the deaf children to be able to hear and to listen with spoken words and there is no guarantees at all. If you want your daughter to hear with only sounds from the hearing aids, but not listen as it is impossible even when young toddlers. They will be happy with it without the hassle. We can rely on using the hearing aids just for sounds only the sounds are not always clear. To some of the Hard of Hearing people, they can hear the sounds clear but not be able to pick up the words clearly. We have gone through experiences and it is very difficult to get the messages and explained our situations that it is bad enough not to be able to use ASL and forced us to do what you all wanted us to do. You all hearing people think that you all know all about deafness but you have never experience being deaf. We are all very proud to be DEAF. SO STOP!!!!
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Good post, but I think we are talking to deaf ears.. :)
 
:gpost:QUOTE=Daredevel7;1287423]Two issues are being blurred here. There is the issue of how well does the CI work and the indirect effects of having a CI (such as being treated like a hearing). Those two are completely different to me. The anti-CI people are angry about how the CI is treated like a cure (which I've never experienced btw.) and the kid gets screwed because he gets treated like a hearing. However, some of them combine the two issues together and say that the CI doesn't work and makes children miserable. If the child is miserable, it has nothing to do with the CI, but rather the parent's high expectations of the child. It's no different from a child who is miserable because he cannot get A's, making his parents disappointed in him. I am not saying that ALL CIs work, but it's not fair to say that it's the CI's fault if a child seems to be miserable with the CIs.[/QUOTE]


"The pressure on a deaf child to become hearing from the environment when people realize it's implanted can be huge. Some deaf adults have reported that their families have stopped using sign language after they was implanted. The deaf adult had to explain their family that CI was not a "cure", but still some family members tries to keep on talking. You perhaps haven't experienced that, but it does happen."

Personally, this was not the case. In fact, it was my SON who dropped his signs- not us. And no, not because he is embarrassed, but because he doesn't need them anylonger to communicate with us. As I have said earlier- he also was given the opportuninty recently to not be re-implanted (his choice- I would support anything that he wanted- he's old enough now to make a decisiion) and guess what?????HE WANTED IT! He said he LOVED hearing music with his iPod, being able to talk on his cell phone...
 
Some people need an attitude adjustment. If u don't like what I have to say, oh well. Not everyone is always going to like what everyone says at all times but no excuse for some of the attitudes here.
 
doubletrouble said:
Two issues are being blurred here. There is the issue of how well does the CI work and the indirect effects of having a CI (such as being treated like a hearing). Those two are completely different to me. The anti-CI people are angry about how the CI is treated like a cure (which I've never experienced btw.) and the kid gets screwed because he gets treated like a hearing. However, some of them combine the two issues together and say that the CI doesn't work and makes children miserable. If the child is miserable, it has nothing to do with the CI, but rather the parent's high expectations of the child. It's no different from a child who is miserable because he cannot get A's, making his parents disappointed in him. I am not saying that ALL CIs work, but it's not fair to say that it's the CI's fault if a child seems to be miserable with the CIs.
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"The pressure on a deaf child to become hearing from the environment when people realize it's implanted can be huge. Some deaf adults have reported that their families have stopped using sign language after they was implanted. The deaf adult had to explain their family that CI was not a "cure", but still some family members tries to keep on talking. You perhaps haven't experienced that, but it does happen."

Personally, this was not the case. In fact, it was my SON who dropped his signs- not us. And no, not because he is embarrassed, but because he doesn't need them anylonger to communicate with us. As I have said earlier- he also was given the opportuninty recently to not be re-implanted (his choice- I would support anything that he wanted- he's old enough now to make a decisiion) and guess what?????HE WANTED IT! He said he LOVED hearing music with his iPod, being able to talk on his cell phone...
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So? I am just telling different stories, since some of you seems to think that what happen so far to your child, does happen to all deaf children. Why this panic and fear when a post with a different experience and perspective show up?
 
Rick, you're right. I didn't pick up on that she was talking about just her daughter. My concern is that some parents (I'm not referring to anyone specific here, just talking in general, which is how I try to keep my responses to) think that a CI is a cure-all. I am absolutely not opposed to a CI - I was even looking into this for myself last fall. I could launch into a long discussion here about how deaf children learn things such as speech, (whether aided, or with a CI, or with nothing) but I won't because it really varies for everyone. I just get the feeling that some parents think their kids will turn into nothing if they don't get a CI, and that doesn't have to be the case. Whether they get a HA, or a CI, or work to learn sign, or work with a speech therapist (you all can choose what you want to go with), ultimately I think the end result requires WORK.
 
shel90 said:
Some people need an attitude adjustment. If u don't like what I have to say, oh well. Not everyone is always going to like what everyone says at all times but no excuse for some of the attitudes here.
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I vote for more research on AI, attitude implants! Oh, I was a bit nasty, guess I need an AI, myself..
 
AlleyCat said:
Rick, you're right. I didn't pick up on that she was talking about just her daughter. My concern is that some parents (I'm not referring to anyone specific here, just talking in general, which is how I try to keep my responses to) think that a CI is a cure-all. I am absolutely not opposed to a CI - I was even looking into this for myself last fall. I could launch into a long discussion here about how deaf children learn things such as speech, (whether aided, or with a CI, or with nothing) but I won't because it really varies for everyone. I just get the feeling that some parents think their kids will turn into nothing if they don't get a CI, and that doesn't have to be the case. Whether they get a HA, or a CI, or work to learn sign, or work with a speech therapist (you all can choose what you want to go with), ultimately I think the end result requires WORK.
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Great post and very true. It's not a CURE, you still have a deaf child. And yes, it's true, there are some parents who do implant with the false understanding that it's a cure- but these parents (from my own personal experiences) are far and few between. These are the same parents who implant and then do no follow up (i.e. mapping, speech therapy, etc) and then scream that the implant doesn't work. And it ia a lot of work and the parent has to be committed. And while there are some CI uers who do very well, there are some that don't. Hey I was just happy when my son was able to ear the birds chirp outside.... anything else to me was a bonuse.

You are right- there is the attitude of parents and others who think of the CI as a cure- it's definitely not a cure and it doesn't hold all the answers. But there are others out there as well that say the CI is a sham and it' doesn't work. While the CI may not work for some- there are many external factors that play into that failure. It's not so black and white.
 
I have to be honest that I almost feel guilty about starting this thread. All I really wanted to accomplish was to have a few people read the start of my paper and give me some feedback. In no way did I intend for such animosity to result from this and even though they don't need my permission, I feel the moderators would be within their right to pull this thread.

Please people, remember that CI implantation is an individual or family decision and while there are going to be people sitting on both sides of the issue, can't everyone agree to disagree? In other words, present your information and opinions for others to peruse, debate the issue, even play devil's advocate, but please don't start beating up on each other for differing opinions.
 
Dorothy, I don't think there's anything wrong with you starting this thread. Everyone has different opinions on CIs, and hearing (or lack of -- and aided or unaided,) and end results. It doesn't seem as if we've been beating up each other tremendously in this thread- you should see some other threads that have been locked! ;)
 
flip said:
I vote for more research on AI, attitude implants! Oh, I was a bit nasty, guess I need an AI, myself..
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:lol: U have a great sense of humor!

Gosh, in this kind of topic, not everyone is always not going to like what everyone has to say ....life goes on.

I love that..."attitude implants"!
 
I agree CI threads have been much worse. :pissed: This one isn't that bad. It's great to see that threads have improved, and hope it continues.

Hope we don't get raging threads if someone invents AI. :ty:
 
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