Sotomayor's views on guns prompt questions

[Jiro]

I shared the Hilter´s history.

And what´s your point?

Perhaps you should try sharing history dating starting from thousand years ago.

see my re-edit - "are you telling me that you failed to see such a simple, obvious concept? That same concept happened over again and again and again for thousand of years. That's why the founding fathers built this country with that in mind as well. It prevents the government from becoming a dictator."

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, I don't think everyone on this planet should have a gun, so I also don't think everyone has a right to nuclear weapons. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution applies only to people in the United States. Each sovereign nation has to determine its own laws. Our laws don't apply to other countries.

Exactly that´s what I am trying to tell you at other thread.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

really?

Yes

 

[Jiro]

Liebling - I understand your POV and unfortunately - you can't understand our POV. That's why we always have this long debate. Your POV is formed because you live in Germany too long. So long that the atmosphere in Germany fostered and shaped your POV that you should trust and believe in government to take care of you.

We don't. The American way is that you should take care of yourself first - PRIMARILY. Government is there to help - SECONDARILY.

There's nothing wrong with German way or American way but we simply have difficult culture, different POV, different etc. That's why your POV (and Americans with your POV) will never work in America. It never have. That's why majority of Clinton's gun laws were struck down/appealed.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Perhaps you should try sharing history dating starting from thousand years ago.

see my re-edit - "are you telling me that you failed to see such a simple, obvious concept? That same concept happened over again and again and again for thousand of years. That's why the founding fathers built this country with that in mind as well. It prevents the government from becoming a dictator."

I thought we are talking here about Sotomayor´s view on gun issues at present, not thousands years ago?

I answered/responsed ADers´s :topic: posts over Hilter which does not relate this thread here in poliite way. If you want to talk about gun history then create a new thread, not here.

 

[Jiro]

I thought we are talking here about Sotomayor´s view on gun issues at present, not thousands years ago?

I answered/responsed ADers´s :topic: posts over Hilter which does not relate this thread here in poliite way. If you want to talk about gun history then create a new thread, not here.

precisely my point. In order to make a ruling on gun laws, you must look at the history, no matter how far you look back.

Posts regarding Hitler are very much related to this thread so I'm sorry you failed to see the simple concept - the empowerment of citizens.

 

[Reba]

Reba--

When there are many guns lying around or floating around, it's easier for a person to do more greater damage.

Hubby and I own several guns but they aren't "lying around or floating around." They are kept locked in a gun safe when not in use. I don't think the number of guns a person owns corelates with how they are used by crazed killers.

Ever heard of hand grip Id tagging? I don't know if exit today or not, but from what I've heard when a gun is registered to a buyer, the buyer's palm prints will be on the gun, and only that buyer can fire that gun, if someone else tries to fire that buyer's gun, it won't fire, even if the gun had been stolen, the gun will no longer be any good to fire.

No, I hadn't heard of that. I don't know anyone who uses it. I agree with Jiro; in theory it sounds good but practically speaking, it has too many potential problems of reliability.

The system had a 90 percent recognition rate, said Donald H. Sebastian, senior vice president for research and development at the institute . . . "Now, in the worst case, the system fails in one out of 10 cases," he said.

I don't think I'd be interested in getting that.

Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/technology/circuits/06next.html?_r=1

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling - I understand your POV and unfortunately - you can't understand our POV. That's why we always have this long debate. Your POV is formed because you live in Germany too long. So long that the atmosphere in Germany fostered and shaped your POV that you should trust and believe in government to take care of you.

We don't. The American way is that you should take care of yourself first - PRIMARILY. Government is there to help - SECONDARILY.

There's nothing wrong with German way or American way but we simply have difficult culture, different POV, different etc. That's why your POV (and Americans with your POV) will never work in America. It never have.

Yes I am agree with you on this.

Yes, you are right due our difference culture, background, mentatily, etc. I am open mind to difference cultural of different countries.

Yes you are right that I can´t understand some Americans´s POV over gun control since I know a lot of innocent people including teenagers/children were being shoot by senseless gun owners and police officers and often use those "accidently" as an excuse... and also many school shooting as well. Yes, I can´t understand why Americans still support gun control which they knew very well that it´s unsafety...

This AllDeaf Forum is an international Forum. I as an European am welcome to share my POV openly why I disagree or agree..

That's why majority of Clinton's gun laws were struck down/appealed.

Not really, shooting was being gain since Bush loose the gun control, Clinton fixed during his president time.

 

[Reba]

'Smart gun' still hasn't hit the mark


this was developed at NJIT - a technology university in Newark, NJ - one of the highest crime rates in NJ along with Camden. this is still developing for 9 years and even Newark police (and NJIT police) don't even trust it!!!

if cops don't trust it, yea... then how can you expect us to trust it too?

I have a technical question that wasn't addressed in the links I could find. Suppose you have more than one shooter in the family, or you share guns at the shooting range--how would that work with the hand grip recognition?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Hubby and I own several guns but they aren't "lying around or floating around." They are kept locked in a gun safe when not in use. I don't think the number of guns a person owns corelates with how they are used by crazed killers.

Question: What you do if the intruder suddenly stand front of you in your house?

 

[Reba]

I never say that anyone should not have any gun.

I am saying that the people should be examine and common sense test before they are allow to be the gun owner like driving test before own driving liescne.

The problem with that is who will determine what is "common sense"? There could come a day when authorities decide that anyone who is a Bible-believing Christian is not using "common sense", or anyone who has conservative beliefs is not using "common sense." Also, other restrictions and limitations could be added on. Before long, Americans would lose all their 2nd Amendment rights. That's the problem.

 

[Jiro]

Question: What you do if the intruder suddenly stand front of you in your house?

use your common sense, silly. Do you always open the door for anybody who knock on your door? I never do. I look at the peephole (or security door camera or window). I must know who is answering the door before opening the door.

We all do. Beside - this hypothetical scenario has nothing to do with gun. Gun is an option. First line of defense is your common sense. Gun is the last resort on the list. Only paranoid people answer the door with guns on their hands. :Ohno:

I would prefer a guard dog because it can protect me faster than the gun if I got suddenly attacked in my own home. ruff ruff!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The problem with that is who will determine what is "common sense"? There could come a day when authorities decide that anyone who is a Bible-believing Christian is not using "common sense", or anyone who has conservative beliefs is not using "common sense." Also, other restrictions and limitations could be added on. Before long, Americans would lose all their 2nd Amendment rights. That's the problem.

No, not that what I mean.

I mean theory.

Example:

I answered over 200 questions on driving theory and pass it because I use good common sense and then take driving lesson and then pass and get driving liescne to become to be responsible driver. It´s an exactly same example for the gun owners.

It´s not very easy with driving theory test but I beleive it´s good for the gun owners because therére many senseless gun owners shoot children and people and keep saying... "I thought... " etc. They jump too quicky and shoot without ask them question first and then keep saying... "I thought...." This is lack of common sense.

 

[Reba]

Question: What you do if the intruder suddenly stand front of you in your house?

It would depend on the variables of the circumstance.

What would you do?

 

[Jiro]

That's one kind of system. That could also be dangerous if a child got hold of the gun and the bracelet.

The system that I read about doesn't use a chip token. It measures the pressure points of the person's grip.


That would mean that no other person could use the gun, as far as I can tell.

ah interesting! grip characteristic pattern.... I can see so many margin of errors with this. No wonder this program is failing and the federal government is cutting off the fund.

You know what would help a lot? Michael L. Recce should try to be an avid shooter for starter and try participating in IDPA (assuming he hates guns )

 

[Jiro]

Yes I am agree with you on this.

Yes, you are right due our difference culture, background, mentatily, etc. I am open mind to difference cultural of different countries.

Yes you are right that I can´t understand some Americans´s POV over gun control since I know a lot of innocent people including teenagers/children were being shoot by senseless gun owners and police officers and often use those "accidently" as an excuse... and also many school shooting as well. Yes, I can´t understand why Americans still support gun control which they knew very well that it´s unsafety...

This AllDeaf Forum is an international Forum. I as an European am welcome to share my POV openly why I disagree or agree..

yes

Not really, shooting was being gain since Bush loose the gun control, Clinton fixed during his president time.

source please? If I recall correctly - Reba has proved you (or other ADer) wrong with statistic, facts, and findings in other thread.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

use your common sense, silly.

You didn´t answer my question for Reba

Again, I questioned Reba because she said that her gun are kept locked in a gun safe.They are kept locked in a gun safe when not in use

Do you always open the door for anybody who knock on your door? I never do. I look at the peephole (or security door camera or window). I must know who is answering the door before opening the door.

Yes I know how to use my common sense when I open the door for anyone instead of point gun front of their faces :roll:.

We all do. Beside - this hypothetical scenario has nothing to do with gun. Gun is an option. First line of defense is your common sense. Gun is the last resort on the list. Only paranoid people answer the door with guns on their hands. :Ohno:

Sorry, I see different because there´re tooo mannnyyyyy shoot due lack of common sense since January 2009.

I would prefer a guard dog because it can protect me faster than the gun if I got suddenly attacked in my own home. ruff ruff!

[/QUOTE]

BINGO!!!! Guard dog is the best and faster than the gun.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It would depend on the variables of the circumstance.

What would you do?

Check Jiro´s last sentence... GUARD DOG and my response to him.

 

[Reba]

Check Jiro´s last sentence... GUARD DOG and my response to him.

Do you have a trained guard dog?

 

[Jiro]

You didn´t answer my question for Reba

Again, I questioned Reba because she said that her gun are kept locked in a gun safe.They are kept locked in a gun safe when not in use

I'm answering this question anyway. She can answer it for herself as well. So can any other gun owners. We all are different but we both are in same situation - our guns are kept locked (I hope majority does! lol).

Yes I know how to use my common sense when I open the door for anyone instead of point gun front of their faces :roll:.

Like I said - only paranoid stupid people do that. Not us. Fortunately - a very very very small percentage of gun owners are very stupid.

Sorry, I see different because there´re tooo mannnyyyyy shoot due lack of common sense since January 2009.

I see differently. In my news, we have tooooooooooo many happy news that armed household were saved because of guns.

BINGO!!!! Guard dog is the best and faster than the gun.

What if people are allergic or afraid of dogs? These days - too many people in here are allergic to dogs. For me - I prefer guard dog but I want gun too. Beside guard dog is very expensive. You need to have it trained by the professionals from birth. You need to maintain it otherwise the guard dog will be useless for you over time. Guard dog is not for everybody. it's certainly not for you either. It can attack you or family members as well. Guard dog requires a firm owner with authoritative personality.

Simple prevention and common sense - Install flood light and camera (or fake if you want) on outside too. That will scare intruders away. Use your common sense and be smart - always think of gun as last resort on the list.