Sotomayor's views on guns prompt questions

[Jiro]

Check Jiro´s last sentence... GUARD DOG and my response to him.

are you sure about that? Ever seen what the guard dog can do to a man? It's as bad as pitbull attack. It can kill too. The only major difference is that the gun is "cleaner" (no mauled face, torn skin, ripped body part, etc) and it's under your control 100%. Guard dog is unpredictable.

I don't mean to offend you but your personality is not right for guard dog. You are too nice.

 

[Foxrac]

I never say that anyone should not have any gun.

I am saying that the people should be examine and common sense test before they are allow to be the gun owner like driving test before own driving liescne.





I am sorry to say that you are a very difficult person to accept others´ POV.

Please accept the fact that each person entitle its view differently as you.

You made alot of negative impact about our country, you need worry about your country because you never live in America, it means you don't have much experience as us does then straight it up yourself.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

No, not that what I mean.

I mean theory.

Example:

I answered over 200 questions on driving theory and pass it because I use good common sense and then take driving lesson and then pass and get driving liescne to become to be responsible driver. It´s an exactly same example for the gun owners.

It´s not very easy with driving theory test but I beleive it´s good for the gun owners because therére many senseless gun owners shoot children and people and keep saying... "I thought... " etc. They jump too quicky and shoot without ask them question first and then keep saying... "I thought...." This is lack of common sense.

we have driver license exams here as well and yet there are accidents everyday because of ignorant drivers who passed the test

 

[C.C.Sinned]

For Jews, other races and anti-Hitler only.
Yes, it´s his opinion for jews, other races and German anti-Hitler, anti-politicans and homosexually only and support German citizens, that who support Hilter.

yes, he took the names and address with mandatory gun registration.

Hitler than went to all their homes and took there guns...

and well the genocide that followed doesn't pertain to the thread. my focus was about a "ban & gun grab"

No, I use good common sense and know how to handle the debate with agree to disagree without take posters´s posts personally.

you always seem to take the mention of Hitler personally

I thought we are talking here about Sotomayor´s view on gun issues at present, not thousands years ago?

yes

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~George Santayana

I answered/responsed ADers´s :topic: posts over Hilter which does not relate this thread here in poliite way.

the subject of guns were brought up on this thread and we are discussing it.
Hitler's mandatory gun registration is a prime example guns restrictions being used to the extreme

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If you want to talk about gun history then create a new thread, not here.

no :roll:

 

[KarissaMann05]

It look like what anti-gun people view pro-gun people as if they have no common sense and are too stupid to own a gun. =/

If you don't trust gun, I won't trust you either. =/

 

[Reba]

the subject of guns were brought up on this thread and we are discussing it.
Hitler's mandatory gun registration is a prime example guns restrictions being used to the extreme

Exactly.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you have a trained guard dog?

No, it´s not about me but about my first question to you.

You answered my first question but Jiro´s answer is the better one...

Jiro´s post

"I would prefer a guard dog because it can protect me faster than the gun if I got suddenly attacked in my own home. ruff ruff!"

 

[Reba]

No, it´s not about me but about my first question to you.

You answered my first question but Jiro´s answer is the better one...

Why do I have to answer your questions if you don't answer mine?

I explained that it depends on the situation. Daytime v. nighttime, which room/floor of the house, is the other person armed or not, etc.

I did once see a strange man in my back yard (which has a 6-ft wood privacy fence). I saw him from my sliding glass doors at the back of the house, so I ran out the front door, to the street. Some other people had already called the police, so I just waited out front until they came and took care of the situation. That's the closest I've come to your scenario.

I've owned large dogs in the past. They were very protective of us but they weren't trained guard dogs. I wouldn't want to depend on them for protection. Besides, they spent a lot of their time out in the back yard, so they wouldn't be any help inside the house at any given time.

So, what would you do?

 

[shel90]

Why do I have to answer your questions if you don't answer mine?

I explained that it depends on the situation. Daytime v. nighttime, which room/floor of the house, is the other person armed or not, etc.

I did once see a strange man in my back yard (which has a 6-ft wood privacy fence). I saw him from my sliding glass doors at the back of the house, so I ran out the front door, to the street. Some other people had already called the police, so I just waited out front until they came and took care of the situation. That's the closest I've come to your scenario.

I've owned large dogs in the past. They were very protective of us but they weren't trained guard dogs. I wouldn't want to depend on them for protection. Besides, they spent a lot of their time out in the back yard, so they wouldn't be any help inside the house at any given time.

So, what would you do?

If I had an actual gun, I dont know if I would have the guts to pull the trigger on someone.I cant fathom the idea of taking a life but gotta do what I gotta do. I hope I never get into a situation like that.

 

[Jiro]

No, it´s not about me but about my first question to you.

You answered my first question but Jiro´s answer is the better one...

Jiro´s post

"I would prefer a guard dog because it can protect me faster than the gun if I got suddenly attacked in my own home. ruff ruff!"

No. My solution is not better than anyone else. It's only for me. Beside - what's the difference between guard dog and gun if both can kill a person?

 

[shel90]

No. My solution is not better than anyone else. It's only for me. Beside - what's the difference between guard dog and gun if both can kill a person?

Maybe it is knowing that the dog, not yourself, killed the person would not be as traumatic?

 

[Cheri]

are you sure about that? Ever seen what the guard dog can do to a man? It's as bad as pitbull attack. It can kill too. The only major difference is that the gun is "cleaner" (no mauled face, torn skin, ripped body part, etc) and it's under your control 100%. Guard dog is unpredictable.

I don't know where did you get the idea that guns are cleaners, they are not. A bullet from a firing gun can rip through skin, muscles, bones, organs which can permanently leave a person cripple or handicapped or killed.

 

[Jiro]

I don't know where did you get the idea that guns are cleaners, they are not. A bullet from a firing gun can rip through skin, muscles, bones, organs which can permanently leave a person cripple or handicapped or killed.

On most cases regarding home self-defense? nope! it's just a small round hole in the gut where blood will be coming out. You must be thinking about wars. Those are different because it's a high-powered weapon. Now that's the nasty gun wounds.

Which one do you prefer - a small round hole in the gut (while suffering possible massive internal injury) or horrifying mauled body parts and face by guard dog?

 

[Jiro]

Maybe it is knowing that the dog, not yourself, killed the person would not be as traumatic?

not really. You will still get traumatic when watching your own dog mauling the person - the screaming, fighting, growling, mauling. Same as the person who will get traumatic when witnessing the horrible accident, murder, etc. After witnessing the event - you will see your own dog differently and it is possible that the relationship will be changed and more distant. That's why I said guard dog is not for everybody especially Liebling. you need to be physically and mentally strong to command the dog to stop the attack. If you are not - it will continue to maul thus resulting in death of the intruder. You may be held criminally-liable for it.

Guard Dog is specifically trained to aim for limbs (either legs or arms) but you never know. It's still unpredictable. The intruder would hit and throw him around, causing the dog to get angrier and more aggressive. It can get into red zone aka rage - the most dangerous mind set for dogs..... an uncontrollable dog.

See below for unpredictably. (mind you - they're police dogs) - I could not find 2nd video but it's the one where the police dog suddenly bit its own master

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[Cheri]

On most cases regarding home self-defense? nope! it's just a small round hole in the gut where blood will be coming out. You must be thinking about wars. Those are different because it's a high-powered weapon. Now that's the nasty gun wounds.

Which one do you prefer - a small round hole in the gut (while suffering possible massive internal injury) or horrifying mauled body parts and face by guard dog?

I was not thinking of wars, it had happened, what about the guy that got killed in my hometown? a bullet went through his hand to his heart and he was pronounced dead. He was shot at a close range. So in a home self-defense cases, there are people who had been shot at a close range that had left some temporary or permanently paralyzed.

 

[Jiro]

I was not thinking of wars, it had happened, what about the guy that got killed in my hometown? a bullet went through his hand to his heart and he was pronounced dead. He was shot at a close range. So in a home self-defense cases, there are people who had been shot at a close range that had left some temporary or permanently paralyzed.

So? Why are you so concerned for these thugs? Ever seen what the thugs did to innocent? rape? murder? Makes me wonder that you let them in and take whatever they want. Meanwhile - did you offer them a milk and cookie? :roll:

Mind you - it's not people. It's thugs.

btw - tell me more about that guy who got killed in your hometown. Was it the case of home self-defense or some gang fight?

 

[Cheri]

btw - tell me more about that guy who got killed in your hometown. Was it the case of home self-defense or some gang fight?

You know the story, I posted about it a while back. The gas station shooting. He wasn't some "thug" he was a victim.

 

[Jiro]

You know the story, I posted about it a while back. The gas station shooting. He wasn't some "thug" he was a victim.

oh yea - that I remember. well - we're not talking about victim. we're talking about thugs in home self-defense case.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What if people are allergic or afraid of dogs? These days - too many people in here are allergic to dogs. For me - I prefer guard dog but I want gun too. Beside guard dog is very expensive. You need to have it trained by the professionals from birth. You need to maintain it otherwise the guard dog will be useless for you over time. Guard dog is not for everybody. it's certainly not for you either. It can attack you or family members as well. Guard dog requires a firm owner with authoritative personality.

Yes, there´re cons and pros about guard dog but most of my friends have family dogs who protect them... The burglar was tried in my friend´s house after midnight. Her family dog bark, wake my friend & her boyfriend up. The burglar tried to hit dog but lucky is my friend´s boyfriend is too fast and catched him and called the police on him. to her family dog.

Simple prevention and common sense - Install flood light and camera (or fake if you want) on outside too. That will scare intruders away. Use your common sense and be smart .

Yes I personally prefer it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

are you sure about that? Ever seen what the guard dog can do to a man? It's as bad as pitbull attack. It can kill too. The only major difference is that the gun is "cleaner" (no mauled face, torn skin, ripped body part, etc) and it's under your control 100%. Guard dog is unpredictable.

Yes I have seen pictures of intruders/burglars after pitbull attack few weeks ago via emails. The intruders should read "Beware Of Dog Warning" sign before they want to break in house owner´s property. It´s their own responsible for ignore the warning sign.

I don't mean to offend you but your personality is not right for guard dog. You are too nice.

No offence taken.

yes, guard dogs are not for me.