Sotomayor's views on guns prompt questions

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I understand what you said and have a point, indeed. Well, your post is sound you are probably anti-guns and want to make it illegal or something. But if your post is, I'm sorry that I have to disagree. If there is a problem with 'guns control' while it is legal, then they need to do the fixing to resovle a confict in it. Rather than make it illegal...

That's a common reaction answer that I would expected from a person who believes and supports the Second Amendment law.

Where did I stated that I want guns to be banned in America? All I had stated was that we need laws restricting access to guns and tougher gun control laws. I do fully suports guns that people uses to be secure in their homes, to protect themselves.

I do have a question for you, Do you care about the public safely? If you do, then you would have support the gun control law, it is to keep guns out of the wrong hands of the people. Since you said you don't support gun control, I'm guessing you don't care for the public safely. :dunno:
 
That's a common reaction answer that I would expected from a person who believes and supports the Second Amendment law.

Where did I stated that I want guns to be banned in America? All I had stated was that we need laws restricting access to guns and tougher gun control laws. I do fully suports guns that people uses to be secure in their homes, to protect themselves.

Oh, wow. O_o?? No, I said your post is sound like you are, that does not mean you are really one. Okay, since you said you support guns and now I know. :)
I do have a question for you, Do you care about the public safely? If you do, then you would have support the gun control law, it is to keep guns out of the wrong hands of the people. Since you said you don't support gun control, I'm guessing you don't care for the public safely. :dunno:

So, I won't give you an answer by then, since you throw a nice assumption of me... =/
 
I do, and we need laws restricting access to guns, tougher gun-control laws. Let me tell you a short story, There was a story that someone in Ohio brought 87 handguns--- the same make, the same model all at one time from one place a gun dealership. OK? Then within a couple months later those same 87 guns had ended up being used in New York, some of those guns were used in homicides and robberies.

My question is why a gun dealership at one place sold that many guns in one day to the same person? Didn't he ever thought this person might is planning on doing something illegal with those guns? The gun dealer showed lack of common sense.

And this is what we need in America, we need a common sense approach to keep the public safe.

those are the some of the flaws that do need to be fixed. post 17
shady dealers, both licensed and street, are a huge part of the problem.

laws very from state to state. in some like Ohio there are not any restrictions on that type of purchase. there are not 5 day waiting periods in some states...

other guns end up on the street after being stolen from homes. a gun on the nightstand in a locked bedroom, is not secure. gun cabinets with glass door and wood locking brace are not secure.

900 lbs gun safe with trigger locks are secure.


And this is what we need in America, we need a common sense approach to keep the public safe.
yes that statement is true. it can be possible if we fix the flaws
I'm so tired of people saying, "we don't understand guns, and if we don't like guns, then don't own a gun." That's not the point, the whole point is to keep the public safe.
say, someone with a butcher knife (legal weapon) broke into your home. threatening your families safety and lives...

if you want to take the chance with a baseball bat, that is your prerogative. your choice. have much better odds at living with a gun...

Doing a requiring background checks on gun purchasers does not help any or will it protect the public or will it stop any future crimes. It doesn't. Just because a gun purchaser doesn't have a history, it doesn't mean he won't be a future criminal.
that future criminal may commit the crime without the gun as well
 
I do have a question for you, Do you care about the public safely? If you do, then you would have support the gun control law, it is to keep guns out of the wrong hands of the people.

the problem with the pro-gun and anti-gun lobbies is many of the people believe that all the guns should be rounded up and melted down. problem solved, all guns history. yay peace love and happiness, lets sing a song... :fruit:


there is a middle ground, fix the flaws, crack down on the shady dealers and if a crime is committed with a firearm send them to prison for life....
 
So, I won't give you an answer by then, since you throw a nice assumption of me... =/
It's not an assumption, this is what you said "That's why I don't trust gun controls at all." So, I'm guessing that you don't support gun control. If I was harsh about it, then I apology.

I'll answer your post another time, CCSinned. I gonna run out on some errands. ;)
 
I do, and we need laws restricting access to guns, tougher gun-control laws. Let me tell you a short story, There was a story that someone in Ohio brought 87 handguns--- the same make, the same model all at one time from one place a gun dealership. OK? Then within a couple months later those same 87 guns had ended up being used in New York, some of those guns were used in homicides and robberies.

My question is why a gun dealership at one place sold that many guns in one day to the same person? Didn't he ever thought this person might is planning on doing something illegal with those guns? The gun dealer showed lack of common sense.

And this is what we need in America, we need a common sense approach to keep the public safe.

I'm so tired of people saying, "we don't understand guns, and if we don't like guns, then don't own a gun." That's not the point, the whole point is to keep the public safe.
Here are federal gun laws (source) -

Federal law regulates these sales through federally-licensed dealers; and the identity of the purchaser and terms of the sale are recorded on Form 4473. Dealers may be inspected once a year, and must be inspected at least once every three years. They must also notify the FBATF anytime multiple handguns are purchased from a single individual within a five-day period.

Gun shops are required to submit Form 4473 to the ATF.

States primarily regulate firearms sales between individuals, but federal law restricts interstate sales: Only individuals with a federal license can sell outside of their own state. They can, however, transfer the gun’s sale through a licensed dealer in the other state. Individuals may lend and borrow firearms provided they’re used in legal activities.

but then.... what about people buying a large amount of lactose powder? You know it's used to mix together with cocaine to sell drug.

Doing a requiring background checks on gun purchasers does not help any or will it protect the public or will it stop any future crimes. It doesn't. Just because a gun purchaser doesn't have a history, it doesn't mean he won't be a future criminal.
Actually - ever since GWB signed the bill that created NICS.... the safety went up.

In addition, other federal provisions restrict certain individuals from purchasing, selling and possessing firearms. Along with age restrictions, these are checked against the FBI’s NICS databases. Some state-issued permits can take the place of the NICS check. Restrictions include:
* Convicted criminals whose crimes were punishable for over one year (excluding misdemeanors punishable by two years or less); or those convicted of domestic violence
* Fugitives
* Illegal drug addicts
* Individuals under a restraining order from a partner or child
* Anyone dishonorably discharged from the military
* Illegal aliens and individuals who have denounced their citizenship
* Individuals with certain mental disorders.

Please do review our federal and your state gun law (link). It's actually safer than before. A lot has changed under Bush Administration.

Conclusion - Gun Ban/Restriction was INEFFECTIVE as proven under Clinton Administration. Better Gun REGULATION was EFFECTIVE as proven under Bush Administration.
 
That's a common reaction answer that I would expected from a person who believes and supports the Second Amendment law.

Where did I stated that I want guns to be banned in America? All I had stated was that we need laws restricting access to guns and tougher gun control laws. I do fully suports guns that people uses to be secure in their homes, to protect themselves.

I do have a question for you, Do you care about the public safely? If you do, then you would have support the gun control law, it is to keep guns out of the wrong hands of the people. Since you said you don't support gun control, I'm guessing you don't care for the public safely. :dunno:

That's a misconception. Stricter gun laws keep guns out of many LAWFUL citizens.

what's the point of creating stricter gun laws when criminals do not follow it?????? The correct way to fix it is to focus on dealers and our current federal laws such as reporting the lost/stolen gun shipment.
 
Here are federal gun laws (source) -

Federal law regulates these sales through federally-licensed dealers; and the identity of the purchaser and terms of the sale are recorded on Form 4473. Dealers may be inspected once a year, and must be inspected at least once every three years. They must also notify the FBATF anytime multiple handguns are purchased from a single individual within a five-day period.

Gun shops are required to submit Form 4473 to the ATF.

States primarily regulate firearms sales between individuals, but federal law restricts interstate sales: Only individuals with a federal license can sell outside of their own state. They can, however, transfer the gun’s sale through a licensed dealer in the other state. Individuals may lend and borrow firearms provided they’re used in legal activities.
yeah that is right the only problem is a whole lot firearm could be sold in that period of time. so i hope they will have more inspections...
 
I'll answer your post another time, CCSinned. I gonna run out on some errands. ;)

oh take your time. i agree with the points you brought up. I'd rather have a gun then a bat, however as i said, that is your choice
 
That's a misconception. Stricter gun laws keep guns out of many LAWFUL citizens.

what's the point of creating stricter gun laws when criminals do not follow it?????? The correct way to fix it is to focus on dealers and our current federal laws such as reporting the lost/stolen gun shipment.

:werd:
 

...If you think everyone should have a gun to defend themselves, then perhaps every country in the world has the right to nuclear weapons. :roll:
No, I don't think everyone on this planet should have a gun, so I also don't think everyone has a right to nuclear weapons. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution applies only to people in the United States. Each sovereign nation has to determine its own laws. Our laws don't apply to other countries.

Besides, I don't know anyone who uses a nuclear weapon for personal defense. (Star Trek phasers don't count.)


This was Hilter´s opinoin. :dunno:
No, it was more than opinion. It was an action. Hitler's action of removing guns from the Jews and potential "dissidents" ensured their becoming sitting ducks for his evil plans.
 
that's not what she meant. Liberal's typical stance is - "why gun? just call 911"

Yeah, he is right, Netrox. I meant, if you don't trust guns, then I certainly will not trust you at all. That's what I said.
 
It's not an assumption, this is what you said "That's why I don't trust gun controls at all." So, I'm guessing that you don't support gun control. If I was harsh about it, then I apology.

Okay. All forgiven. :)

Hmm... It's because of not improved the rate of the gun control so well, to me.
 
it is not a distraction. it is an example of how absurd the gun fearing propaganda can be. other things are just as dangerous or more so...


and yes a car can be used as a murder weapon too...


your opinion seems to stand as:

people with guns and believe in gun rights are idiots


not believing in aliens is narrow minded

maybe your alien friends will show up and guns will vanish. there will be a utopia of peace harmony and rectal probes. sounds like paradise :giggle:


maybe we all should invest anal lube stock :hmm:

I really don't like your attitude. You might want to keep it in check.
 
That's a misconception. Stricter gun laws keep guns out of many LAWFUL citizens

what's the point of creating stricter gun laws when criminals do not follow it?????? The correct way to fix it is to focus on dealers and our current federal laws such as reporting the lost/stolen gun shipment.

I understand, and I agree with the part of ways to fix is to focus on dealers and lost and stolen guns shipments, but to be quite honest, Jiro. In general, People cannot be trusted to use a gun responsibly. There are people out there who owns guns had killed people for no darned reason and even for stupid reason. They're using them as toys and not as lifesaving devices.

I'm not saying we should outlawed guns from honest and lawful people who are using guns responsibly, I'm talking about those people who go on a shooting spree, so just how are we going to keep guns out of their hands? Now, I'm not talking about criminals, I'm talking about lawful citizens who don't necessary show their true colors immediately until the end. I believe we should limited on who can own guns, and how many they can own because guns are really threaten our safety of the public that's my major concerning.

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oh take your time. i agree with the points you brought up. I'd rather have a gun then a bat, however as i said, that is your choice
If you're a responsible gun owner and do use your gun wisely, then I don't have a problem with you owning a gun. ;)
 
...I believe we should limited on who can own guns, and how many they can own because guns are really threaten our safety of the public that's my major concerning....
How would you do that and still be within constitutional rights? How could anyone know ahead of time who will go on a shooting spree? What difference does it make how many guns a person owns? A person could go on a killing spree with just one gun and lots of ammo.
 
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