Should the legal drinking age change?

Tamara, my point clears that inexperience drivers and inexperience booze drinking does not mix well! That is the bottom point Im trying to get across.


Tamara said:
First of all, sorry to hear about your cousin.

He is definetly inexperienced driver. I wish your Aunt/Uncle teached him to think about alternative ways to get home safety from outing/party before he leave their home, and think ahead to make a plans to stay over, calling for a lift home, getting a taxi, or getting a lift with someone who hasn't been drinking!!!!!!

Like I said once again, teenagers knows that learner drivers and licence holders under 25 are subject to a ZERO blood alcohol concentration (bac) until they have had their licence for three years.
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Experienced drivers and experienced drinkers don't mix well either.

Give the children a chance to know their limits earlier and they will not kill themselves as easily.
 
Cheri said:
Offering teens to drink or curious to drink is not helping the teens, You think drinking does not do anything for teens, Yes, drinking can damage their learning abilities, liver damaged. Are we supposed to ignored the what ifs signs such as autos accidents, or their health? Parents who offer drinks are giving them opportunity to go on a wrong path. Tsk Tsk! You think that if you teach responsible drinking to your children mostly likely they won't turn the worst? Not always true, Sometimes once a teen drinks, getting buzzed, walking around like a whopping dolly, would think it's funny and makes them happy, They would continue to do more. Don't be surprise how that would turn out. ;)
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I agree with Cheri all the way!!

I remember when I was a teenager my parents had a party at their house. There were two families visiting from England and they were at the party. Their six children were from 5 to 11 years old. My Aunt (from America) asked me if I knew where her two sons (8 and 10 years old) were and I told her that I would look for them in the house. I looked around in the house and then I finally found them in the back screened porch with lights off. I turned on the lights and my heart dropped when I found the English children with bottles of beer in their hands. They were drunk!! Their parents did not supervise them at all because they were too drunk themselves!! I took my 2 cousins and brought them to my Aunt. My Aunt smelt alcohol on their breaths and got upset. The English children gave my cousins some sips of beer. I never forget that incident. I am so against children drinking alcoholic beverages even if it is just some small sips. When children have a taste of an alcoholic beverage and watch their parents drink wine or beer everyday then they get to learn to drink more and more.
 
Some parent let their kids drink alittle?....Isn't that teaching your kids that drinking is okay?.... :jaw:
 
ButterflyGirl said:
I agree with Cheri all the way!!

I remember when I was a teenager my parents had a party at their house. There were two families visiting from England and they were at the party. Their six children were from 5 to 11 years old. My Aunt (from America) asked me if I knew where her two sons (8 and 10 years old) were and I told her that I would look for them in the house. I looked around in the house and then I finally found them in the back screened porch with lights off. I turned on the lights and my heart dropped when I found the English children with bottles of beer in their hands. They were drunk!! Their parents did not supervise them at all because they were too drunk themselves!! I took my 2 cousins and brought them to my Aunt. My Aunt smelt alcohol on their breaths and got upset. The English children gave my cousins some sips of beer. I never forget that incident. I am so against children drinking alcoholic beverages even if it is just some small sips. When children have a taste of an alcoholic beverage and watch their parents drink wine or beer everyday then they get to learn to drink more and more.
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What does that have to do with underage drinking? It's illegal and they still they got drunk! The responsibility rests on the parents who obviously don't care because they themselves get drunk!

You're only throwing around rare extreme cases -- stop doing that and you'll see that the drinking age does not need to be 21, 25, 35, or 45.
 
Like Cheri said before Dennis, Parents don't watch their kids 24/7 so therefore, they CAN go behind their parent's back and drink by getting drunk....It a fact and yes it can happen....


You think a 18 years old is old enough to drink? afterall they leave for college, aren't you aware that college has so many parties that those kids can go to? and get drunk? and their parents happen to be miles away from where the college is at.....

Think again!!

Like I said before, the laws should remain the same unless they want to raise it up to 25 then I'm with them whatever it takes to keep those kids from drinking too much....Maybe it will cut down the highest rate on drinking problems.... :mrgreen:


Forgive me if I sound a bit harsh here, I'm just against kids who drinks, so can't blame me for being a mom!
 
Dennis said:
What does that have to do with underage drinking? It's illegal and they still they got drunk! The responsibility rests on the parents who obviously don't care because they themselves get drunk!

You're only throwing around rare extreme cases -- stop doing that and you'll see that the drinking age does not need to be 21, 25, 35, or 45.
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Geez Dennis you need to watch that temper of yours. I don't appreciate the way you spoke to me. If I want to post something then it is my business to do so.

BTW, these parents didn't care about their children drinking because they allowed them to drink in the first place. Get it??
 
CrazyMomma said:
I fear for my own son. here in state is 21 to drink, I am SOOOOOOO scare of losing my only son in alcohol overdose or drinking and drive, and so on that involve with alcohol.

It would be good idea to change to 25 unless if kids know what they are doing. I know, it's the mom feeling... :(
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Momma

You're not crazy, at least not about drinking and driving. US insurance rates are sky high for under age 25 for a reason. It seems like there's a story on the news EVERY week about a drunk driver killing someone. All too often there's a kid involved who won't see his/her next birthday. Lowering the legal drinking age makes it easier for someone to get alcohol. This makes no sense. Why? Not all drinkers or drivers are responsible. The rest of us are left to deal with the consequences.

I can understand letting a child have ONE glass of wine with a meal as long as they aren't driving somewhere after that. There's more control in this situation then there is if Mom and Dad lets Junior go out to club, bar, etc unsupervised. Someone HAS to set limits.
 
^Angel^ said:
Like Cheri said before Dennis, Parents don't watch their kids 24/7 so therefore, they CAN go behind their parent's back and drink by getting drunk....It a fact and yes it can happen....
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The parents of the English kids were there at this party. That's not "going behind their parent's back.

ButterflyGirl never said anything about her cousins. Now that they've had their young taste of alcohol, are they growing up drinking and driving and killing people? No! And it's not because ButterflyGirl's aunt chewed them out -- it's because they decided for themselves whether or not they liked alcohol early.

You think a 18 years old is old enough to drink? afterall they leave for college, aren't you aware that college has so many parties that those kids can go to? and get drunk? and their parents happen to be miles away from where the college is at.....
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Fortunately for you, I'm practically an expert at college drinking antics. It's always the countless away from home for the first time freshmen who are experiencing alcohol for the first time who come closest to death because they are without parential supervision and under peer pressure. You defuse that situation by getting rid of the taboo surrounding alcohol. Now it'll be first time freshmen who already had their drinks 2 years ago under parental supervision and know how much they can drink. No more going bonkers and trying out everything their peers can throw at them.

This is coming from a former greek fraternity president, by the way. Did you go to college? I'm wondering if those people who didn't go to college are the ones who are voting for keeping the drinking age high.

Like I said before, the laws should remain the same unless they want to raise it up to 25 then I'm with them whatever it takes to keep those kids from drinking too much....Maybe it will cut down the highest rate on drinking problems.... :mrgreen:
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How does that cut down on drinking problems? It just makes them hide it.


Forgive me if I sound a bit harsh here, I'm just against kids who drinks, so can't blame me for being a mom!
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I sincerely hope your kids don't discover alcohol and like it and try to hide it from you. I mean it, I may sound harsh when debating this topic but I have nothing personal against you or anyone else on alldeaf.
 
ButterflyGirl said:
Geez Dennis you need to watch that temper of yours. I don't appreciate the way you spoke to me. If I want to post something then it is my business to do so.

BTW, these parents didn't care about their children drinking because they allowed them to drink in the first place. Get it??
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I disagree. I think those parents allowed them to drink because they themselves drink to get drunk. They don't seem to care much about anything except themselves. Drunks typically have underlying problems that need to be treated.
 
Dennis quoted The parents of the English kids were there at this party. That's not "going behind their parent's back.
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Yes they were going behind their parents' backs by going inside the house and hide in the back screened porch while the party was going on outside in the front yard.
 
Dennis said:
Fortunately for you, I'm practically an expert at college drinking antics. It's always the countless away from home for the first time freshmen who are experiencing alcohol for the first time who come closest to death because they are without parential supervision and under peer pressure. You defuse that situation by getting rid of the taboo surrounding alcohol. Now it'll be first time freshmen who already had their drinks 2 years ago under parental supervision and know how much they can drink. No more going bonkers and trying out everything their peers can throw at them.

This is coming from a former greek fraternity president, by the way. Did you go to college? I'm wondering if those people who didn't go to college are the ones who are voting for keeping the drinking age high.
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Oh you're saying that IF I didn't go to college, I have no right to speak on this issue?....O-kayyy....I guess my opinion don't count....

Sorry to bother....



How does that cut down on drinking problems? It just makes them hide it.
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What makes them think they won't get caught?....
 
Dennis said:
I disagree. I think those parents allowed them to drink because they themselves drink to get drunk. They don't seem to care much about anything except themselves. Drunks typically have underlying problems that need to be treated.
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You need to read the other posts about the Europeans allowing their children to drink some sips of alcoholic beverages. Once these children are taught to drink some sips, they sneak behind their parents' backs to get more than just a sip.

They knew their children were taking some sips at the party but the children decided to have more than sips so they went behind their backs to drink a whole bottle of beer. I am trying to point out that I am so against parents who allow their children to have a sip of alcoholic beverages which I believe will lead them to drink more behind their parents back.
 
ButterflyGirl said:
Yes they were going behind their parents' backs by going inside the house and hide in the back screened porch while the party was going on outside in the front yard.
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That's what I thought you meant, Thanks! now I know I didn't misunderstood your post ... ;)
 
ButterflyGirl said:
You need to read the other posts about the Europeans allowing their children to drink some sips of alcoholic beverages. Once these children are taught to drink some sips, they sneak behind their parents' backs to get more than just a sip.

They knew their children were taking some sips at the party but the children decided to have more than sips so they went behind their backs to drink a whole bottle of beer. I am trying to point out that I am so against parents who allow their children to have a sip of alcoholic beverages which I believe will lead them to drink more behind their parents back.
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AMEN!!! Well said girl!! :applause:
 
I talked my American co-workers today about your post and other posts because some of posts got me wondering why some of members here claimed that young adults cannot drink responsibly and didn't know how to respect alcohol.

They said your post about Americans are true and agree with me about driving legal age should increase to 18 and drinking legal age should lower to 18.
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I apologize. I disagree with you. Here USA have bad record of drunking and driving. I counted MANY people who I knew died by drunking and driving. My friend died from that, my sister's best friend died from that, my another sister's friend died from that, my brother's coach and his wife died by that, many people that i knew who in my life died by drunking and driving. Since I live in Michigan, I remember in one year I forgot WHICH, around 30 people died from drunking and driving in Michigan. All of them are underage. I noticed that and I agreed with the laws in USA that everybody have to be 21 years old to drinking. I consider it more SAFE. When I was young, I complained that becuase I cant drink when I was young so I sneaked to drinking some for fun. Then, my mom decided to taking me out to Canada to drinking whatever I want that when I was 19 yrs old, I love it becuase its freedom. Until now I am 21 yrs old, I realized why USA set that law. I agreed with for EVERYBODY'S SAFE. I apologize. That's USA's laws that we cant change. Same like people want USA to change smoking cigs to not allow so they can allow you know, weed... Because Cigs can kill people of cancer, Weed nothing hurt... Many reasons why people complain abt cigs, weed, drugs, everything.. We cant change thats so far I knew that we cant change the laws. But one thing for drinking, I rather it to be STAY to be 21 instead of 18 yrs old. For safe...
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Why teenage safe-driving programs aren't working
http://autoblog.com/2005/11/08/why-teenage-safe-driving-programs-arent-working/

Let Them Drink;
Don't Let Them Drink and Drive
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/DrivingIssues/1043410819.html



:jaw: I can't beleive this...









Very True
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/1064263072.html

It makes no difference. If you start drinking at 21, you’re going to have problems because you’re new at it. If you start drinking at 18, you’re going to have problems because you’re new at it. Look at my mother; she started drinking when she was 30 years old.

One thing, I don’t understand why US teenagers are allow to drive 6 years before they may drink. Yes, it surprises me that American teenagers use every chance to get drunk & risk their lives by driving in such condition. I feel that the legal driving age should be increased to the age of 18 years and lower the drinking age, then they should learn to respect alcohol first before enter a vehicle. Accord European law, the legal driving age is 18 as the same as drinking legal (from hard alcohol like spirits etc), too.
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But in USA rare to having that education abt drunking and driving, thats why. I want them to have in ALL OF SCHOOLS in all of states, not even MISS ONE... In my school dont have ONE... my friend's school do have one... What different between of them so thats why I said why not all of them have it... Same for everything that need to teach kids to learn something abt out of the world so they will learn more before they get out of the world and get confused or something like that... My mom taught me ALOT abt out of world when I was 13 yrs old. She warned me alot but I noticed some of my friends didnt learn ANY abt out of world, I was like eh... Why not they learn abt it also? :dunno: I want all of schools to having that kind of education for everything for their safe.
 
Dennis said:
Give the children a chance to know their limits earlier and they will not kill themselves as easily.
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Chance to know their limit? Could be life and death situation. Alcohol is something that youngsters should NOT mess with. Your youngster are looking at you for guidance in making life decisions. So how are you teaching youngster It's ok to take one glass or sip any alcohol beverage? You really sending a confusing message to those youngsters about alcohol. Didn't you forget about the risks involving with alcohol? Those can cause them to have alcohol related traffic, could commit suicide like drowning, rape, assault, robbery, mostly likely having problems at school won't successful or graduate from school. So, why are you teaching those youngster it's okay to drink to know their limit? You not looking at the other side, what about those scare tactics? Drinking can be dangerous period weather it's a 5 ounce drink of wine, beer, mixed drink. I remember when I had my first drink I was buzzed just by first mixed drink, Tell me how that alcohol would not still effect their brains?

That's why you don't offer a drink to youngsters, We are supposed to be teaching them drinking is bad, they could use their own judgment when they are at parties, When someone offer them a drink, They could say no thanks, just like they say no to drugs. (That's if you teach them that drinking is bad--Set a good example early the better.) :thumb:
 
I've seen crazy laws went way up high increase Ages..

So Many young ages decide sneak out and drinking awful lot.. and drunk reason why Alocholic beveerages requires 21 or 25 yrs old over.. So they decide avoid wait til..
Want do it now... have good time and drunk!

I know not easy for everyones Parent who didn't pay attention carefully...

One time, I've seen One of family who allowed them drink 1 bottle or 1 cup wha..ever.. drink'em.. They'll learn and condiser future will not going crazy drinking more.. If drunk and passed out.. Next day, who child or young teenager will reliazed that drank too much.. Young Teenager will learn their lesson.. reduce drinking..

My friend told me who went their vacation at Europe.. wow very open mind and allow them drinking turns it out less trouble.. but not allowed driving! Pretty interesting difference cultures compares North America.


I admit I didn't realize that My older son already drank the Beer/Whisky behind our back while were partying.. I spotted the whisky was empty.. and closer my older son's breath.. My god, He already drank it.. Damn him! He already passed out..
Next day, I sat and waited for him get up... *while drinking my coffee* staring my older son.. He asked, What's up mom? I said noth'n say more.. He telling me, I feel sick and not really good.. I said.. Congrats to you.. Have you gone hid from us and found your whisky in your bedroom along w/your friend.. *nodding shake my head* wha.. shame you have done stupid! Learn lesson? He said.. shudd'up to me..
and straighten to restroom.. *barfing* ain't my fault.. his problem..
Few hours later, I offered him.. wanna some drink more whisky? He said... HELL NO WAY.. forget it.. made me sick!.. Good for you.. smarten up! Smell the coffee!
*shrugs*
He ain't near whiskty ever again.. I'm gald he did.. but not sure if he still tempation and visiting his friend's place... No matter what, I keep eye on him *pretend hug him and sniffing his odors*..

Not easy being TEENAGER can be smart their ass!
 
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