Shooting at WI Sikh temple leaves 7 dead.

[Steinhauer]

that was back then. and this is now.... you know - with Internet, computers, mass media, etc.

"Back then" we had internet, computers, mass media, etc. We also had crazy people who decisded to go on shooting sprees. I readily recall the beltway sniper(s). I also recall that officials were looking for a white dude in a white van and were completely shocked to find a Muslim.

Now, the MSM is claiming that Wade Micheal Page is a white supremacist because he used to sing in a "far right, white supremacist, punk rock band". Is there ven such a thing? I mean, that is like saying he was a Gay Republican.

What if he is a far left liberal that supports gay marriage and believed the Sikhs were hateful? What if he is a far left liberal that thought they were Muslims?

Does it matter? Why didn't the MSM point out that the Aurora shooter was a far left liberal Obama supporter OWS protester but very eager to paint this man as far right white supremacist?

It get s old after a while.

Why is the media so eager to paint any shooter as a far right wing nut? We simply do not know the motivation behind the shooting - and yes, it is all speculation.

Wade Michael Page, military veteran, identified as Sikh temple shooter - The Washington Post

 

[Jiro]

"Back then" we had internet, computers, mass media, etc. We also had crazy people who decisded to go on shooting sprees. I readily recall the beltway sniper(s). I also recall that officials were looking for a white dude in a white van and were completely shocked to find a Muslim.

Now, the MSM is claiming that Wade Micheal Page is a white supremacist because he used to sing in a "far right, white supremacist, punk rock band". Is there ven such a thing? I mean, that is like saying he was a Gay Republican.

What if he is a far left liberal that supports gay marriage and believed the Sikhs were hateful? What if he is a far left liberal that thought they were Muslims?

Does it matter? Why didn't the MSM point out that the Aurora shooter was a far left liberal Obama supporter OWS protester but very eager to paint this man as far right white supremacist?

It get s old after a while.

Why is the media so eager to paint any shooter as a far right wing nut? We simply do not know the motivation behind the shooting - and yes, it is all speculation.

Wade Michael Page, military veteran, identified as Sikh temple shooter - The Washington Post

why are you so eager for him to be a deranged far left?

 

[Reba]

I don't know if he's "seen" a lot of actions when he was in Army. There's no detail on his Army background yet.

They said he served 1992-1998.

The first Gulf War was over in 1991.

1995-96, America was involved in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The killer was not serving in the period after 9/11.

 

[Jiro]

"Back then" we had internet, computers, mass media, etc. We also had crazy people who decisded to go on shooting sprees. I readily recall the beltway sniper(s). I also recall that officials were looking for a white dude in a white van and were completely shocked to find a Muslim.

Beltway Sniper? that's not "back then". "Back then" is 90's or maybe late 80's.

Now, the MSM is claiming that Wade Micheal Page is a white supremacist because he used to sing in a "far right, white supremacist, punk rock band". Is there ven such a thing? I mean, that is like saying he was a Gay Republican.

What if he is a far left liberal that supports gay marriage and believed the Sikhs were hateful? What if he is a far left liberal that thought they were Muslims?

Does it matter? Why didn't the MSM point out that the Aurora shooter was a far left liberal Obama supporter OWS protester but very eager to paint this man as far right white supremacist?

It get s old after a while.

Why is the media so eager to paint any shooter as a far right wing nut? We simply do not know the motivation behind the shooting - and yes, it is all speculation.

Wade Michael Page, military veteran, identified as Sikh temple shooter - The Washington Post

 

[Jiro]

They said he served 1992-1998.

The first Gulf War was over in 1991.

1995-96, America was involved in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The killer was not serving in the period after 9/11.

 

[Reba]

Unfortunately I would say that Gulf War, Iraq and Afgan vets are more likely to do this as they have seen so much. Doesn't make it right but it does help explain it. It really does not help either that he is a white supremicist skinhead neo nazi wacko! That coupled with war veteran equals trouble with a T! Very sad day!

This killer wasn't in the service during Gulf War, or wars in Iraq, or Afghanistan. Wrong time period.

 

[Reba]

that was back then. and this is now.... you know - with Internet, computers, mass media, etc.

That was 2000, not the Dark Ages.

 

[Steinhauer]

why are you so eager for him to be a deranged far left?

I think you missed my point. Any individual that decides to kill innocent people is deranged, regardless of their political affiliation.

 

[Reba]

"Back then" we had internet, computers, mass media, etc. We also had crazy people who decisded to go on shooting sprees. I readily recall the beltway sniper(s)....

That was 2002.

Now, the MSM is claiming that Wade Micheal Page is a white supremacist because he used to sing in a "far right, white supremacist, punk rock band". Is there ven such a thing? I mean, that is like saying he was a Gay Republican.

Well, there are Log Cabin Republicans.

Anyway, I personally don't consider white supremacists as part of the political right wing. The supremacists see change thru violence rather than thru political process.

...Why is the media so eager to paint any shooter as a far right wing nut? We simply do not know the motivation behind the shooting - and yes, it is all speculation.

Good points.

 

[Jiro]

I think you missed my point. Any individual that decides to kill innocent people is deranged, regardless of their political affiliation.

there's usually always a reason for it. very few go on rampage for no reason but most rampages had a reason.

He was affiliated with a specific organization with a specific religious and/or political view and hatred toward a specific type of people.

 

[Steinhauer]

there's usually always a reason for it. very few go on rampage for no reason but most rampages had a reason.

He was affiliated with a specific organization with a specific religious and/or political view and hatred toward a specific type of people.

And, that specific type of people were very religiously oriented and had their own political views (which, of course, the media will not mention).

I am not asking you to answer any questions, just make neutral observations. Take, for example, the Fort Hood shooting. Why was the MSM so reluctant to consider the Fort Hood shooting as an act of terrorism? Why were they so quick to deem the Sikh Temple shooting as an act of terrorism?

Did it have anything to do with the color of the shooter's skin?

Again, these are not accusations, they are simply observations on how these events are reported.

 

[Reba]

there's usually always a reason for it. very few go on rampage for no reason but most rampages had a reason.

He was affiliated with a specific organization with a specific religious and/or political view and hatred toward a specific type of people.

Sometimes that reason isn't rational. Sometimes that "reason" comes from a voice inside the head, triggered by chemicals or some totally unrelated event.

We just don't know yet.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

I am just thinking out loud ... I wonder if the shooter thought it was a Mosque. I am glad someone decided to carry their sidearm when this happened and was able to stop the shooter from causing even more death and mayhem.

A policeman shot the guy not a citizen.

 

[Reba]

...I am not asking you to answer any questions, just make neutral observations. Take, for example, the Fort Hood shooting. Why was the MSM so reluctant to consider the Fort Hood shooting as an act of terrorism? Why were they so quick to deem the Sikh Temple shooting as an act of terrorism?

That is indeed odd.

Did it have anything to do with the color of the shooter's skin?

I hope not.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

Sometimes that reason isn't rational. Sometimes that "reason" comes from a voice inside the head, triggered by chemicals or some totally unrelated event.

We just don't know yet.

It will be hard to just why the guy did this as he is dead . The polices and FBI and have to investigate everything and this should get some time.

 

[Steinhauer]

I can at least say this, as I personally know it to be a fact. I know the former drummer for a punk rock band called "Rancid" - they will often times wear nazi insignia as this is part of "punk culture".

Ozzie Osbourne's daughter does the same thing.

They are, in no way whatsoever, neo-nazis. They do not share white supremacist views. They wear it as a "costume" - this very often confuses people into thinking that Rancid is a far right white supremacist punk rock band.

They are not politically motivated at all - they are anti-government. They were especially anti-Bush. It is a culture that many outsiders label them with inappropriate labels, and believe me, those who are part of the punk movement, relish in being mislabelled, and misidentified. They consider themselves, misfits. They use cultural symbols intentionally to be mislabelled.

So, the fact he was in a punk rock band is not enough evidence to convince me the shooter was a white supremacist.

I am not saying he wasn't, I am just saying that a 9/11 tattoo and the fact he was a member of a punk band is not enough to convince me.

The fact that he went on a shooting spree though, just means he was a nutter. Nutters come from all walks of life.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_subculture

 

[Reba]

It will be hard to just why the guy did this as he is dead . The polices and FBI and have to investigate everything and this should get some time.

Yes, it will be hard unless he left behind a letter or some other kind of statement.

 

[Jiro]

And, that specific type of people were very religiously oriented and had their own political views (which, of course, the media will not mention).

huh? of course it will be mentioned. I've heard this same ole' tiresome line and it was mentioned in news.

I am not asking you to answer any questions, just make neutral observations. Take, for example, the Fort Hood shooting. Why was the MSM so reluctant to consider the Fort Hood shooting as an act of terrorism? Why were they so quick to deem the Sikh Temple shooting as an act of terrorism?

Why would it be considered as a terrorism if he is a soldier? Believe it or not - he's still on payroll as US Army officer. Do we consider it as a terrorism if a soldier killed fellow soldiers? Remember Mark Kools aka Hasan Akbar? He was US Army sapper who killed 2 soldiers and wounded 14 soldiers with grenades and shooting. That's not terrorism. That's murder.

Please learn how to discern the difference between your view and the actual reality.

and we'll have to wait if this is an act of domestic terrorism or murders. you know media likes to jump the gun so calm down and hold your horse and wait for official announcement.

Did it have anything to do with the color of the shooter's skin?

who said that? nobody did. only you. right now - we're looking at his affiliation with White Supremacist. You do know that it is considered as a terrorist group by FBI?

Again, these are not accusations, they are simply observations on how these events are reported.

ok. more observation, less accusations. best if you do that right now.

 

[Reba]

I can at least say this, as I personally know it to be a fact. I know the former drummer for a punk rock band called "Rancid" - they will often times wear nazi insignia as this is part of "punk culture".

Ozzie Osbourne's daughter does the same thing.

They are, in no way whatsoever, neo-nazis. They do not share white supremacist views. They wear it as a "costume" - this very often confuses people into thinking that Rancid is a far right white supremacist punk rock band.

I think it's disgusting for anyone who knows what the Nazis and their symbols represent to want to wear anything that would be identified with them.

They are not politically motivated at all - they are anti-government. They were especially anti-Bush. It is a culture that many outsiders label them with inappropriate labels, and believe me, those who are part of the punk movement, relish in being mislabelled, and misidentified. They consider themselves, misfits. They use cultural symbols intentionally to be mislabelled.

Well, anti-government is a political position. If they actively advocate violence against the government of the USA, then they are dangerous, and can expect to get into trouble.

So, the fact he was in a punk rock band is not enough evidence to convince me the shooter was a white supremacist.

It would depend on what that band declares to be their philosophy.

 

[respectyoda]

The news claimed that the shooter is a racist and a white supremacist as he once led an all white supremacist band.