Shooting at LAX; casualties

[Jiro]

Hey Jiro, didn't you say mall cops shouldn't be armed?

they shouldn't.

Shooter on the loose at New Jersey mall - CNN.com

^ Just happened

Why would you say that?

say what?

I'll bet money that no guns are allowed in that mall .....

let me correct you - no guns are allowed in this entire state that people can carry on themselves in public. that's why I chortled when some politicians are screaming for more anti-gun measures. Holden ought to be a stand-up comedian when he's done with his job.

 

[Steinhauer]

they shouldn't.


say what?


let me correct you - no guns are allowed in this entire state that people can carry on themselves in public. that's why I chortled when some politicians are screaming for more anti-gun measures. Holden ought to be a stand-up comedian when he's done with his job.

well, gee, then somebody needs to tell that shooter that he is breaking the law then!!!

Didn't he read the signs?

 

[Chevy57]

The president of the union representing more than 45,000 Transportation Security Administration agents urged Congress and the agency Monday to create a new class of officers that would be armed with weapons.

Union urges arming TSA officers after LAX shooting - latimes.com

 

[Jiro]

New Jersey mall gunman found dead hours after shooting - CNN.com

(CNN) -- The gunman who opened fire at a New Jersey mall Monday night is dead after holing up in a back room at the mall and shooting himself in the head, a local prosecutor said.

Richard Shoop's body was found at 3:20 a.m. Tuesday in an obscure part of Westfield Garden State Plaza mall, hours after he fired at least six bullets without striking anyone in the massive shopping center.

The shooting sent panic through the mall and set off a frenzied hunt for the gunman. In the early hours of the search, officials weren't sure whether the shooter was still inside or outside the 2-million-square-foot building.

"We believe that he went in there with the intent to either be shot by police, which we call suicide by cop, or to take his own life, which ultimately he did," Bergen County Prosecutor John Molinelli said Tuesday morning.

Signs of trouble

Shoop, 20, was known by local law enforcement. He had a history of drug use and abuse, Molinelli said.

"You wouldn't think that at age 20, how much can you do in your life, but in his life, he at least thought that he was reaching a point where there was no recourse but to take his own life," the prosecutor said.

Authorities believe Shoop acted alone. But even as his body lay in a remote room in a construction area, fear still permeated the mall.

More than 100 shoppers were still hiding inside stores early Tuesday morning, unsure of whether they could safely come out. Officers tried to evacuate each store.

Authorities said Shoop left behind a note in the home where he was living. But the reason he went to the mall to spend his final moments remains unclear.

 

[Reba]

yes..... with a sidearm. and now it's assault rifles. absolutely no reason to have such a weapon but oh well.


yes I know and nowadays... I can't remember the last time I've seen an armed rent-a-cop beside money transporter. Must be a serious liability issue.

I guess it depends on the mall or state.

College campus security are also private security (rent-a-cops) and they also carry guns. They receive training and have to maintain their qualifications.

Many private security officers are also former military, so they know how to handle weapons.

Not all private security officers are the same, so they can't be lumped together.

...... at small airport? lol ok.

It depends on what you consider small. I'm not talking about private executive plane airports with one runway.

I revolve around facts and practicality.

No, you said "it's of no concern to me." That's different. That means that whatever doesn't concern you isn't important. Well, it might be important to other people. The world isn't just about Jiro and your concerns.

Putting high-dollars security features and highly-trained armed police forces (which would bankrupt a small town and airport altogether) at small-time airport is just plain dang comical. Small airport is basically almost empty most of time. I would know this because I used to fly at small airport in southern Virginia which is in middle of nowhere. The last time I flew from there - there was just few police officers stopping by here and there and one sleepy elder guard

Back to the original statement, I asked if there would be enough security for all airports, meaning whatever is necessary for that particular class of airport. Obviously, a small, private local airport wouldn't need the same number of personnel. But for the larger airports, in order to have the level of patrols you deem necessary, is there enough manpower available? That's the question.

I didn't make a decision to put National Guards in there. This is.... NYC, ya know?

Yes, I know NYC. I guess what I read about New York state's Guardsmen being withdrawn from the airports several years ago has been changed. Deployment of the Guard within a state is up to each state's governor, not mayors. The mayor can make the request to the governor but only the governor can assign the Guard.

If so, then I guess airport security manpower in New York is inadequate if they have to use the Guard.

 

[Foxrac]

College campus security are also private security (rent-a-cops) and they also carry guns. They receive training and have to maintain their qualifications.

In bold, definitely not UAB Police Department because they are real law enforcement and they have power to arrest, detain, enforce the local/state law, very similar to city police.
http://www.uab.edu/police/

 

[Reba]

In bold, definitely not UAB Police Department because they are real law enforcement and they have power to arrest, detain, enforce the local/state law, very similar to city police.
UAB - Police Department - Home

I didn't say that the private security forces weren't real law enforcement officers.

I checked your link, and as far as I can tell, the UAB police are private police for the university. That is, they aren't city or county officers, and their jurisdiction is the university only. They are employees of the college. They might be similar to city police but they are not city police. So they are private police, not public police.

 

[Foxrac]

I didn't say that the private security forces weren't real law enforcement officers.

I checked your link, and as far as I can tell, the UAB police are private police for the university. That is, they aren't city or county officers, and their jurisdiction is the university only. They are employees of the college. They might be similar to city police but they are not city police. So they are private police, not public police.

It is more like district police department - UAB Police patrol around university campus and medical district.

That's not same as security guards at mall - weaker, useless, citizen arrest.

 

[Jiro]

I guess it depends on the mall or state.

College campus security are also private security (rent-a-cops) and they also carry guns. They receive training and have to maintain their qualifications.

Many private security officers are also former military, so they know how to handle weapons.

Not all private security officers are the same, so they can't be lumped together.

It depends on what you consider small. I'm not talking about private executive plane airports with one runway.

me either. I'm talking about a small airport like.... the one in Roanoke, Virginia. couple of runaways and probably 50 flights a day?

No, you said "it's of no concern to me." That's different. That means that whatever doesn't concern you isn't important. Well, it might be important to other people. The world isn't just about Jiro and your concerns.


Back to the original statement, I asked if there would be enough security for all airports, meaning whatever is necessary for that particular class of airport. Obviously, a small, private local airport wouldn't need the same number of personnel. But for the larger airports, in order to have the level of patrols you deem necessary, is there enough manpower available? That's the question.


Yes, I know NYC. I guess what I read about New York state's Guardsmen being withdrawn from the airports several years ago has been changed. Deployment of the Guard within a state is up to each state's governor, not mayors. The mayor can make the request to the governor but only the governor can assign the Guard.

If so, then I guess airport security manpower in New York is inadequate if they have to use the Guard.

I'm guessing that they use the Guard only when a homeland security alert level has been elevated

but whenever I go to airport (JFK/LGA/EWR) and NYC Port Authority.... I see them. maybe whenever I go to these places... it was yellow alert

 

[Foxrac]

It is more like district police department - UAB Police patrol around university campus and medical district.

That's not same as security guards at mall - weaker, useless, citizen arrest.

Also, UAB Police filled the accident report too, and I had car accident last year.

 

[Reba]

It is more like district police department - UAB Police patrol around university campus and medical district.

That's not same as security guards at mall - weaker, useless, citizen arrest.

I wasn't comparing them to mall security.

Not all private security is the same. Malls have their own, colleges have their own, hospitals have their own, businesses have their own, theme parks have their own, military bases have their own, etc.

 

[Reba]

me either. I'm talking about a small airport like.... the one in Roanoke, Virginia. couple of runaways and probably 50 flights a day?


I'm guessing that they use the Guard only when a homeland security alert level has been elevated

but whenever I go to airport (JFK/LGA/EWR) and NYC Port Authority.... I see them. maybe whenever I go to these places... it was yellow alert

Maybe NYC doesn't have enough police force to man the airports by themselves and need the Guard to supplement them.

 

[Reba]

Also, UAB Police filled the accident report too, and I had car accident last year.

Was it on campus?

That's basically an administrative duty.

Many of our malls and shopping centers, and some college campuses have their parking lots patrolled by the local police in addition to the private security. There are signs saying, "This parking lot is under the jurisdiction of Such-and-such City Police."

 

[Jiro]

Maybe NYC doesn't have enough police force to man the airports by themselves and need the Guard to supplement them.

lol NYC? the #1 largest police force in America? we have plenty but I think it's just a show of force to appease the panicky public or maybe it's part of Homeland Security procedure. after all... 9/11 happened in NYC.... maybe NYC gets a special treatment...

NYC Airports are covered by NYPD, Port Authority, State Police, and probably bunch more that I don't know about.

 

[Foxrac]

Was it on campus?

That's basically an administrative duty.

Many of our malls and shopping centers, and some college campuses have their parking lots patrolled by the local police in addition to the private security. There are signs saying, "This parking lot is under the jurisdiction of Such-and-such City Police."

Yes, it was on campus.

Meter maids are responsible to enforce the parking regulation only, such as ticket for no tag.

 

[Reba]

lol NYC? the #1 largest police force in America? we have plenty but I think it's just a show of force to appease the panicky public or maybe it's part of Homeland Security procedure. after all... 9/11 happened in NYC.... maybe NYC gets a special treatment...

Yes, it's large but still maybe not large enough for the airport jobs.

The attacks on NYC didn't start from a NYC airport.

New York's governor is the Command-in-Chief of the Guard.

A little trivia:

NY National Guard South Africa Partnership

 

[Reba]

Yes, it was on campus.

Meter maids are responsible to enforce the parking regulation only, such as ticket for no tag.

You still call them meter maids in AL? Gasp!

Are you talking about campus parking?

 

[Jiro]

Yes, it's large but still maybe not large enough for the airport jobs.

The attacks on NYC didn't start from a NYC airport.

New York's governor is the Command-in-Chief of the Guard.

A little trivia:

NY National Guard South Africa Partnership

I know but like I said - I suppose it's just to appease to public... merely a show of force.

 

[Reba]

I know but like I said - it's just to appease to public... merely a show of force.

I've never heard of anyone being able to justify the expense of a deployment of Guardsmen as a means to appease the public. Was the public clamoring for the National Guard at their airports? Doesn't the NYC public have faith in their own police for airport security?

 

[Foxrac]

You still call them meter maids in AL? Gasp!

Are you talking about campus parking?

Yes, nobody like them and they mistakenly ticketed my car for tag not visible, so UAB DOT dismissed the parking ticket and checked my tag if there was any problem.

Yes, the accident was happened on campus parking lot.