Shooting at LAX; casualties

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whatdidyousay! said:
If Joe Blow pulled out his gun during LAX shooting how long do you think it take before a cop shot Joe Blow?? How is a cop going to know if Joe Blow is trying to defend himself or kill innocent people. If someone has a death wish
is will be answered really fast pulling out their gun during a mass shooting.
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Could you show some real examples of a police shooting someone who was defending themself from an assault?
 
Steinhauer said:
Could you show some real examples of a police shooting someone who was defending themself from an assault?
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I have not heard of it but I am say if cops was to get a mass shooting going on and they see a person pulling out their gun do you really think the cops are going to take the time to find out what that person is doing. Look if you want to try this go ahead but you better have a will made out first.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
If Joe Blow pulled out his gun during LAX shooting how long do you think it take before a cop shot Joe Blow?? How is a cop going to know if Joe Blow is trying to defend himself or kill innocent people. If someone has a death wish
is will be answered really fast pulling out their gun during a mass shooting.
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A few cops could ask witnesses who ran away from the area about a shooter's appearance so they'd make sure they don't shoot at a wrong person.
 
Jiro said:
that's why there are dozens of police officers patrolling around. that's why this nut didn't do much killing.
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How come there was one dead person and some wounded? Those numbers should have been zero.
 
Reba said:
Since neither you nor I know the exact circumstances of the shooting, the condition of the victim (extent of his wounds), the victim's training background or shooting skills, who was in the area when he was shot, and lots of other variables, no conclusion about the possible outcome can be made.

If you think that the better of two scenarios is to just lie on the floor wounded, wait for the shooter to come back to finish you off, and continue to shoot other innocent victims, that's your prerogative. I would prefer that he would have had a fighting chance.
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simple. look at Empire State Building shooting.
 
Jiro said:
simple. look at Empire State Building shooting.
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Which was a totally different event, in a different location, involving a different group of people. You can't base the outcome of one event on another unrelated one.
 
Reba said:
Which was a totally different event, in a different location, involving a different group of people. You can't base the outcome of one event on another unrelated one.
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different situation, same psychology.

TSA agents do not have same mentality as cops do. a very simple solution - reposition police officers back to security checkpoints.
 
Jiro said:
different situation, same psychology. TSA agents do not have same mentality as cops do.
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You really don't know anything about the man who was killed, or the detailed forensics of the shooting, so that's a very presumptuous statement.

a very simple solution - reposition police officers back to security checkpoints.
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I have no problem with that.
 
Reba said:
You really don't know anything about the man who was killed, or the detailed forensics of the shooting, so that's a very presumptuous statement.


I have no problem with that.
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there's a reason why TSA agents aren't armed. and why arm another useless agency (which is a waste of taxpayers' money) with guns when there are already airport police, city/local/state police, and National Guards?
 
Jiro said:
there's a reason why TSA agents aren't armed. and why arm another useless agency (which is a waste of taxpayers' money) with guns when there are already airport police, city/local/state police, and National Guards?
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What is that reason?

I didn't say arm all of them.

Are you sure there's enough police available for all airports?

I thought the National Guard quit doing airport duty in 2002?
 
Reba said:
What is that reason?
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colossal waste of taxpayer money. a serious liability issue. and many more. TSA was created to do screening. a federal agency should be focused and allocated to only one thing. arming and training TSA agents is just another step to federalism and police state. it's bad enough when Park Rangers are now armed with "assault rifles." beside.... all major airports have their own police departments anyway. just simply reposition police officers to all security checkpoints. problem solved. a simple problem with a simple solution.

Reba said:
I didn't say arm all of them.
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I didn't say that either. I don't support any act to arm even one of them. It's outrageous. It's like arming a mall rent-a-cop.

Reba said:
Are you sure there's enough police available for all airports?
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all airports? why? who cares about some small town airport. it's of no concern to me. all major airports obviously have enough police personnel and the response time is pretty swift.

Reba said:
I thought the National Guard quit doing airport duty in 2002?
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nope. not in here. they're still patrolling airports and mass transit centers.
 
Jiro said:
colossal waste of taxpayer money. a serious liability issue. and many more. TSA was created to do screening. a federal agency should be focused and allocated to only one thing. arming and training TSA agents is just another step to federalism and police state. it's bad enough when Park Rangers are now armed to the teeth.
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I can't remember our Park Rangers not being armed. It's not a recent thing.

beside.... all major airports have their own police departments anyway.
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I know that Charleston International Airport uses Charleston County Police for their security.

just simply reposition police officers to all security checkpoints. problem solved. a simple problem with a simple solution.
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As long as they have the manpower I see no problem with that.

I didn't say that either. I don't support any act to arm even one of them. It's outrageous. It's like arming a mall rent-a-cop.
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Some "rent-a-cops" are armed. That's nothing new.

all airports? why? who cares about some small town airport. it's of no concern to me. all major airports obviously have enough police personnel and the response time is pretty swift.
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Who cares? I guess people who use the airports care.

Really Jiro, the universe doesn't revolve around you.

[quote}nope. not in here. they're still patrolling airports and mass transit centers.[/QUOTE]
You must be special.
 
The terrorists that hit the WTC learned how to fly at a small town airport.
 
Reba said:
I can't remember our Park Rangers not being armed. It's not a recent thing.
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yes..... with a sidearm. and now it's assault rifles. absolutely no reason to have such a weapon but oh well.

Reba said:
I know that Charleston International Airport uses Charleston County Police for their security.

As long as they have the manpower I see no problem with that.

Some "rent-a-cops" are armed. That's nothing new.
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yes I know and nowadays... I can't remember the last time I've seen an armed rent-a-cop beside money transporter. Must be a serious liability issue.

Reba said:
Who cares? I guess people who use the airports care.
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...... at small airport? lol ok.

Reba said:
Really Jiro, the universe doesn't revolve around you.
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I revolve around facts and practicality. Putting high-dollars security features and highly-trained armed police forces (which would bankrupt a small town and airport altogether) at small-time airport is just plain dang comical. Small airport is basically almost empty most of time. I would know this because I used to fly at small airport in southern Virginia which is in middle of nowhere. The last time I flew from there - there was just few police officers stopping by here and there and one sleepy elder guard :lol:

Reba said:
You must be special.
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I didn't make a decision to put National Guards in there. This is.... NYC, ya know? :lol:
 
Hey Jiro, didn't you say mall cops shouldn't be armed?

Shooter on the loose at New Jersey mall - CNN.com

^ Just happened

Why would you say that?

I'll bet money that no guns are allowed in that mall .....


There was just people running like crazy, so I quickly just closed my doors, ran to the back, turned off all the lights, music and everything, just to stay hidden," he said.
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^ a really big clue
 
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