Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

[Eve]

whatcha wanna bet we see a surge in the number of muslims enlisting in our armed forces now?

 

[rockdrummer]

Yet I don't see a massive outcry by Muslims condemning these acts whenever these things happen. And they do happen often against our own.

Here is just one story. I'm sure I can find more.

Source: Alleged shooter's name prompts response from American Muslims - CNN.com

Washington (CNN) -- Ibrahim Hooper knows the drill.

When news first broke Thursday that a shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, killed and injured U.S. soldiers, the national communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations wrote a statement of condemnation.

He only sent it out later, when reports emerged that the alleged shooter's name was Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

"As soon as we saw what appeared to be a Muslim name, we issued our statement," Hooper said. "Until that time, we were praying that no Muslim would be involved."

That's the reality of crisis management for the Muslim-American community, said Hooper, who handles communications for the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy group.

Even without confirmation that the alleged gunman was Muslim -- there was no immediate determination of any religious affiliation for Hasan -- the mere reporting of a possible Muslim name required an immediate comment, he said.

"That's unfortunately the world we live in nowadays," Hooper said. "So often, Muslims are accused of not condemning these kind of acts."

The CAIR statement said: "No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer Army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

Interactive: Shooting at Fort Hood In a separate statement, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, based in Los Angeles, California, condemned what it called the "heinous incident."

"We are in contact with law enforcement and U.S. federal government officials to gain more facts from this tragic incident and work together in dealing with its aftermath," the group said.

Its statement called on "all members of American Muslim communities to be in contact with local law enforcement for the safety and security of their communities and their institutions."

The Islamic Information Center also issued a statement "in conjunction with all the major Muslim organizations nationwide" that condemned the attack.

"While several news reports have cited one of the gunmen to be Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, IIC strongly emphasizes that this attack and its perpetrator are in no way representative of the Muslim people or the peace-loving religion of Islam," the statement said.

"The individuals who perpetrated this attack blatantly acted against the teachings of Islam and humanity," it added.

After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Muslim-Americans reported increased attacks and threats by revenge-minded non-Muslims.

"We've seen this before," Hooper said of a possible backlash. "Whenever there's an incident of this type, there's always the possibility this will happen."

Even non-Muslims could be targeted, he said, noting that Sikhs who wear turbans or Hispanic-Americans can be mistaken as being of Middle Eastern descent.

On Thursday night, CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad told a news conference the alleged Fort Hood attacker's motive remained unknown.

"We urge all Americans to remain calm in reaction to this tragic event and to demonstrate once again what is best about America -- our nation's ability to remain unified even in times of crisis," Awad said. "We urge national political and religious leaders and media professionals to set a tone of calm and unity.

"Unfortunately, based on past experience, we also urge American Muslims, and those who may be perceived to be Muslim, to take appropriate precautions to protect themselves, their families and their religious institutions from possible backlash."

 

[rockdrummer]

whatcha wanna bet we see a surge in the number of muslims enlisting in our armed forces now?

For what purpose do you believe that will happen?

 

[Jiro]

Yet I don't see a massive outcry by Muslims condemning these acts whenever these things happen. And they do happen often against our own.

here you go

Muslim, Arab Groups Condemn Fort Hood Shooting, Brace For Backlash

"We like to give people the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to being a reactionary thing," said Leigh O'Neill, director of government relations for the organization. "But there is a lot of hate out there and hate is hate. It is bipartisan and doesn't have geographic balance. We feel terrible for the victims today. And I wish people will understand when crime is crime and terrorism is terrorism."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil liberties organization for American Muslims, was, meanwhile, working fast to get ahead of a potential rise in anti-Muslim sentiment. The group was set to host a press conference at 8 p.m. on Thursday evening to condemn the attacks and "urge calm" in the aftermath of the shooting.

Arabs and Muslims condemn Fort Hood attack

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) and Congress of Arab American Organizations (CAAO) released statements condemning the attacks Thursday.

"Arab Americans are as devastated about those killed and wounded and their families as all other Americans are," said Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News and spokesman of CAAO. "We stand with President Obama in condemning this horrific incidence of violence."

Siblani said Americans should wait for facts surrounding the case to emerge before drawing any conclusions about the incident.

"We ask all to remember that when people commit crimes, they do so not because of their religion or culture, but in spite of their religious and cultural upbringing," Siblani said.

ADC President Mary Rose Oakar said "This attack is absolutely deplorable. ADC has been consistent and on record in condemning any attacks aimed at innocents, no matter who the victims or the perpetrators may be. Such violence is morally reprehensible and has nothing to do with any religion, race, ethnicity, or national origin. ADC urges the FBI and law enforcement agencies to make every effort to see that justice is served.

"ADC also calls upon law enforcement agencies to provide immediate protection for all mosques, community centers, schools, and any locations that may be identified or misidentified with being Arab, Muslim, South Asian or Sikh as a clear backlash has already started. The actions of a few should not invite a backlash on innocent members of any community and we urge law enforcement and others to keep that in mind."

CAIR spokespeople said "We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.

"No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence.

"The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

We're appalled too by Fort Hood killer Nidal Malik Hasan, so don't target us: Muslim groups

"Such violence is morally reprehensible and has nothing to do with any religion, race, ethnicity or national origin," said Mary Rose Oakar, president of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations added its voice to the denunciations of Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's rampage, calling it a "cowardly attack."

"No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer Army that protects our nation," the group said.

don't hate Muslims or Islam religion or imans. Condemn this coward. His name is Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

 

[Jiro]

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and what does that have to do with this thread?

 

[Jiro]

Unfortunately, mass shootings are part of our lives now.

unfortunately yes but it's not so bad compared to other countries which receive suicide bombing and mass shooting on frequent basis.

So, it's best to try and contain these things into the future by eliminating/reducing such chances.

yes.... most importantly - to not be racist and bigoted.

 

[Jiro]

That's because, Muslims are growin' than before and no one is payin' attention to Christians much anymore. They don't label Christians as "terrorists" as we've read/heard of. Only Muslims they labeled them as "terrorists", because of 9/11 -- everythin' changed ever since that day. No body is interested in Christians, but them ( Muslims ).....

of course! that's how fear-mongering right-wingers want you to think! They make you pay more attention on Muslims than our internal problem - the domestic dissents. Look at you - you fell for it. So did million of others. Because of that - we pay much less attention and resource on our domestic terrorists. That is a major security threat. I'm gravely concerned. Our law enforcement and intelligence resource are stretched thin and wasted on oversea Islamic fundamentalists when they have no direct access to America to cause damage. We need our men & women back to duty here in America to protect us from domestic terrorists, not foreign terrorists.

Look at the history since 1990's. Compare the number of terrorist attacks in USA committed by domestic dissents (non-Muslim people) to number of terrorist attacks committed by Islamic terrorists. You will be very surprised.... VERY surprised.

 

[Eve]

For what purpose do you believe that will happen?

It's obviously an effective means for terrorism on American soil. Best part is, it can be used over and over again because the liberal masses are hell-bent on painting it over as the deranged action of one man.

btw, Jiro, I think those "special ed. sunglasses" are affecting your vision. Or are you always this blinded to the truth?

 

[Jiro]

It's obviously an effective means for terrorism on American soil. Best part is, it can be used over and over again because the liberal masses are hell-bent on painting it over as the deranged action of one man.

btw, Jiro, I think those "special ed. sunglasses" are affecting your vision. Or are you always this blinded to the truth?

I'm only blind to "truth" spouted by a racist bigot

what did you say again?

 

[kokonut]

whatcha wanna bet we see a surge in the number of muslims enlisting in our armed forces now?

I wonder what the stats are like now and then?

 

[Eve]

what did you say again?

Please put me on ignore, then you won't have to be subjected to viewing the facts posted.

 

[Jiro]

Please put me on ignore, then you won't have to be subjected to viewing the facts posted.

why are you responding to me? You can put me on ignore, you know?

 

[rockdrummer]

It's obviously an effective means for terrorism on American soil. Best part is, it can be used over and over again because the liberal masses are hell-bent on painting it over as the deranged action of one man.

btw, Jiro, I think those "special ed. sunglasses" are affecting your vision. Or are you always this blinded to the truth?

Mainstream Muslims are peaceful life loving people just as mainstream Christians are. There are extremists in many walks of life. Do I need to remind you about the terrorist acts on American soil by Americans. Timothy McVey, Theodore John Kaczynski, the countless acts comitted by the so called Christian group known as the KKK in addition to all of the killings of Americans by anti-abortion extremists, animal-rights extremests and the list goes on and on.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Facts? You means racism and religious bashings.

Anyway, I am more worried about domestic dissent than foreign terrorists... and the sad thing is that those websites are allowed to operate. I have been among people that sprout that crap, and they're always from good ol' white people who speak about taking up arms if things don't go their ways.

 

[dogmom]

It seems in these kinds of situations we conveniently forget the acts of terrorism against African-Americans perpetrated as "lynchings" <one example of many>over the last couple of hundred years and the acts of terrorism over the 500 hundred years committed against indigenous/First Nations people.

All very tragic.........

 

[dogmom]

I do wonder how all the people involved are doing today and how this will effect many thing in future-

 

[Jiro]

Facts? You means racism and religious bashings.

Anyway, I am more worried about domestic dissent than foreign terrorists... and the sad thing is that those websites are allowed to operate. I have been among people that sprout that crap, and they're always from good ol' white people who speak about taking up arms if things don't go their ways.

the ironic thing is that these "good ol' white people" don't even know their own Constitution and laws... and the immigrants can read and write much better than them. Worse of all -they simply blindly shout "I AM PATRIOTIC!" and angrily accuse foreigners of terrorists just to prove to their neighbors that he is part of the "All-Stars American" team. :roll:

McCarthy.. shame on you. McCarthy supporters..... shame on you even more.

 

[rockdrummer]

It seems in these kinds of situations we conveniently forget the acts of terrorism against African-Americans perpetrated as "lynchings" <one example of many>over the last couple of hundred years and the acts of terrorism over the 500 hundred years committed against indigenous/First Nations people.

All very tragic.........

Yes I forgot to mention the acts against the native Americans. You would think that by now the human race as a whole would understand that we need eachother and we should take care of eachother but instead we draw lines in the sand and kill one another. It's really dissapointing.

 

[dogmom]

indeed....I think it is easier for many to hate....

 

[Jiro]

Yes I forgot to mention the acts against the native Americans. You would think that by now the human race as a whole would understand that we need eachother and we should take care of eachother but instead we draw lines in the sand and kill one another. It's really dissapointing.

yep.... our American-version of Berlin Wall that we must break down.....