I am not against aborting the embryo itself at the first stage. Abortion is not limited to that though. They allow it until 24th week, we are discussing here 30th week abortion for disable babies. I am posting 3 pictures . They are from 20 weeks, 25 weeks, and 30 weeks (from up to down). Please put all names a side. It doesnt matter if we call it fetus or baby or human. Look at what you are seeing. This is not a little embryo, what you see can not be taken out of woman's body in one piece. Please read how a doctor describes the operation that takes place after 12th week:
But in the Dispatches programme, Dr Spencer will break a huge medical taboo and spell out exactly what happens. Though we do not show the aborted foetus, what viewers will see and hear may very well shock them, but it is a vital contribution to the whole debate.
In the first 12 weeks or so of pregnancy, doctors can use a simple suction procedure. After that, the surgery becomes more complicated.
"The foetus can't come out in one go. We haven't dilated sufficiently for that. The foetal parts are soft enough to break apart as they are being removed..."
In other words, he has to dismember the foetus inside the uterus and pull it out, bit by bit. He uses an ultrasound scan to guide him. Even then, some body parts are too large to come out intact.
What REALLY happens during an abortion: One surgeon finally tells the truth | Mail Online
So Jillo, Jiro, Jolie, (I am calling your names because I know you, I am not doing it for targeting you) you are all saying this option should be given to mothers . But all these arguments sound like academic discussions. They are based on concepts, definitions, we make it sound like its about democracy, its about defending the freedom. Lets say you have this freedom (which you have), which one of you can really go through it if they were going to give you remainings of the baby after abortion , so you could bury? Jillo, Jolie, you both have kids. Look at these pictures. If they were your daughters, which one you could be there and see their body on the table? Look into their eyes. They have eyes , you see it? It is easy (well not really, but relatively) when a woman goes to clinic and sleeps for couple hours during the operation and comes back home with no baby inside. She doesnt think (or tries not to think) on what really happens there. But how many people can really face the reality. See it, touch it, carry it, bury it?
I think you should go to a clinic and ask permission for watching an abortion. You should take this fetus , baby whatever you want to call it and carry it yourself where they dump it . You should put your hands onto it , and then decide for yourself . Only then you can really make a choice, and it becomes a conscious choice. But please dont turn this into an intellectual argument where the textbook definitions are more important than actual reality. If he doesnt look like a baby in the pictures, if the doctor sounds like lying, go to a clinic and watch it, touch it yourself. See what it looks like, see if he can bleed, see what happens to him.
I think abortion should be allowed, but they should require mothers to watch one abortion operation before their own and also they should give their own babies remanings to them so parents can bury him. Anybody who can face with reality of their actions should be allowed to have abortion.
Then women can make conscious choices on how to practice safe sex, or at what stage of pregnancy they will go to clinic or how they will keep the baby and raise it. Then it would really be their choice and they would live with it. Then we can talk about "choice"..
I am not against freedom , if you have read my other posts in AD you would notice that. Have all the freedom you want and make a choice. I just want you to face with the choice. Not here on AD as a intellectual argument one's logic will beat the other, but in real life as an actual , undeniable reality. What ever you choose afterwards, I respect that.
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Mod's Edit: inappropriate images are removed)
I am adding links to images that show 20-25-30 weeks ultrasounds as requested. These are the pictures of alive, healthy babies in the womb , they should be considered happy moments , but if its considered inappropriate , I wont argue over it.. Please view and see for yourself.
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