Russia proposes change in the Constitution.

[Liebling:-)))]

that's the thing. In here - we would feel violated if police question us about anything.

I don't feel violate if police question me about anything because it's their job. They have right to check with me after the happened (burgarily, rapes, murder, violence, etc).

It's like when you come home late and your mom asked you where have you been all night. your response would be "it's none of your business." (not to mean that you're an adult living at home with mom but just trying to make a point).

Yes I understand that you tried to make a point... To me, it's disrespectful if teenagers or adult children said such thing like that to their parents when they live under their roof.

FYI: Many parents know they would not treat their adult children as children if they live under their house. I have seen that the parents and adult children talk open what and how they doing their trips, out all night, etc.

(not to mean that you're an adult living at home with mom but just trying to make a point).

Question: Are you against adult children for live with their parents?

It's none of cop's business to know what I'm doing unless I'm breaking the law.

I would agree with that one what you describe Scenario from 1 to 3 in your previous post.... Thank God, EU police officers don't do like that... But it's their business to question me after happened something near where I live... or walk pass and saw them as withness.... or whatever... because I "involve" in...

and as for cameras - that's the point.... we want to protect ourselves, not count on government 100%. if most of the residents are armed, the burglary rates would be low.

I see opposite and agree with Macian on that one... Camera help to reduce burglary rate.

I do not see anything from statistic that gun do help to reduce the crimes...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What makes you think British have no problem with our government? My dad votes British independant party to try and get out of europe.

Many British have no problem with UK Government. Your Dad is one of few people who votes independant party.

Me, I don't think Britian is a police state in the way china is a police state. But I HAVE read about peaceful animal rights protesters being in prisoned. Also on another topic they were going to make it illigal to educate people. Fortunately it didn't get in.

Yes, we aware that there're lack of freedom in China than many countries around the world including Europe and America. Our country have different system and different freedom.

Since I don't agree with the government and I have not been imprisoned yet I'm not sure it's really a police state as such and I've nowhere else to really compaire it with since I've never been in USA. Some british people are ok with the government. Some don't like the fact that they are losing freedom freedoms and so many camera's about.

Interesting, many Europeans are happy with camera because its about safety and more freedom... it's easy for the police to trace the crimes... It would take police long weeks to months to years to trace the crimes... (example Ted Bundy)... He repeated to kill hundred of women because police don't know who... can't trace him... With camera, they would arrest Ted few days to weeks instead of YEARS.

I do have problem with our National Health service because my mum died of a curable cancer due to long waiting lists. I once went to hospital in france at it was much better. The hospital room was like a hotel room and mum could stay with me wheras in British hospital she was only limited to visiting hours.

I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I know NHS was suck but my British friends told me that it's much improve than I left England in 1980s.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

now you understand why I love America?
except Sarah Palin

*psst* you forget to add Bush in your list...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I've heard of some people imprisoned just for expressing themselves. I'll give you a link to that if I can find it. Usually they treat protesters that way. They limit how many peaceful protests there are. Within the animal rights movement there are those that cannot express themselves.

As for the muslims, I wonder about that. They seem somehow to be above the law. People are too afraid of being accused of being 'racist' to do anything about them. If they were white maybe it would be easier to get rid of them?

Do you mean in UK?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

They can do that in Britain too. You don't need a gun to kill someone. You can do that with a sharp knife.

Yes, the people who commit the criminal use weapons to kill, not just gun.

I haven't noticed any drop in crime rate. In fact I feel a good deal LESS safe walking out at night then I did 10 years ago.

Accord my Dad and siblings, British friends yes. There're crime rates was being dropped since gun restriction in England.

Talking about police involvement I have been stopped a few times by the police. They feel the need to escort me home as I am deafblind and my guide dog was playing up. Somehow I find it rather humiliating. Yes I've tried to tell them I can manage thankyou very much but I've learnt through experience that there is no point in arguing with the police it just wastes time. So I just let them take me home.

I think it's nice of Police to care about you and want to see your safety.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You are welcome to ours. I'm sure McCain would love to put her in a box and ship her to you!

Really good one..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sarah Palin is an Omnivore. She lives in Alaska were most people hunt for their food. To me this is no worse then getting meat from your local supermarket. In fact it's probably less cruel because most supermarket meat is factory farmed so they spend the whole of their lives imprisoned wheras the critters Sarah Palin eats have at least enjoyed freedom before being killed.

While it would be nice if she was vegan at least she does speak up for those that cannot speak up for themselves. She practices what she preaches. Animal rights is not the only topic I feel strongly about. I like her because of her views on 2 other topics I also feel strongly about.

Besides, do YOU know any vegan politions I could support instead?

Did Palin eat wolves/pups's and Bears/cubs's meat after killed them?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So you are saying its okay because she eats the wolves she kills?

She tried to speak up for the American public. They silenced her very quickly, lol.

Add to your post... wolves/pups and bears/cubs.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you know of a country that does not kill it's wildlife population when they get in the way? I'm against this but I don't think she's any worse than any other government on that score. I think people who go foaming at the mouth about her killing animals then tuck into their factory farmed meat are being a little hypocritical.

In britain we kill wild goats, foxes, Ruddy ducks, badgers, etc etc. We don't have wolves so we their wouldn't be any for her to kill.

Besides Macain is happy with Sarah Palin. It's just someone from an unknown source that was spreading lies about her.

The fact accord the Alaska wildlife, wolves and bears's population are too low to compare with mooses, carbilau....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

less safe walking out at night than 10 years ago? wow... even with all these 10000000000000 cameras installed. NYC is the safest city in USA than 10 years ago. its once-infamous "Harlem" is so safe that you can walk around the block while holding a big wad of cash... and it's not done by installing cameras.

:roll:

 

[Foxrac]

Yes, the people who commit the criminal use weapons to kill, not just gun.



Accord my Dad and siblings, British friends yes. There're crime rates was being dropped since gun restriction in England.



I think it's nice of Police to care about you and want to see your safety.

Gun restriction in England has been here for many years.

 

[Foxrac]

I don't feel violate if police question me about anything because it's their job. They have right to check with me after the happened (burgarily, rapes, murder, violence, etc).



Yes I understand that you tried to make a point... To me, it's disrespectful if teenagers or adult children said such thing like that to their parents when they live under their roof.

FYI: Many parents know they would not treat their adult children as children if they live under their house. I have seen that the parents and adult children talk open what and how they doing their trips, out all night, etc.



Question: Are you against adult children for live with their parents?






I would agree with that one what you describe Scenario from 1 to 3 in your previous post.... Thank God, EU police officers don't do like that... But it's their business to question me after happened something near where I live... or walk pass and saw them as withness.... or whatever... because I "involve" in...



I see opposite and agree with Macian on that one... Camera help to reduce burglary rate.

I do not see anything from statistic that gun do help to reduce the crimes...

Guns dos help to reduce or prevent from victim of crime, that how hearing people can hear if someone break in and owner can grab gun then point at robber, it's better than call 911 and wait for while, even 911 can be fail to reach.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Gun restriction in England has been here for many years.

Actually, the gun restriction in England have been for a long time until around late 1990s, the people use the gun more and more than weapons. UK Government decided to make hard gun restriction.

 

[Reba]

Yikes. 4:30 am is too early for me! I love to sleep.

I love to sleep too, but I have to go to work early.

 

[jillio]

Guns dos help to reduce or prevent from victim of crime, that how hearing people can hear if someone break in and owner can grab gun then point at robber, it's better than call 911 and wait for while, even 911 can be fail to reach.

Better not be pointing that gun unless you are prepared to fire it. And, if you shoot an unarmed burglar, you could find yourself charged with a crime.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It's Foxrac's post, not my post, Jillo...

 

[jillio]

It's Foxrac's post, not my post, Jillo...

Sorry about that...the quote feature messed up on me again! I knew it was Foxrac's post I was replying to. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sorry about that...the quote feature messed up on me again! I knew it was Foxrac's post I was replying to. Sorry for the confusion.

Yes I know and no problem... :P

 

[Foxrac]

Better not be pointing that gun unless you are prepared to fire it. And, if you shoot an unarmed burglar, you could find yourself charged with a crime.

That's not what I was means.

Let me to make clarity, I means point the gun at robber, not fire it until threat has been done.

Depends on state law about charge with crime when shoot at robber or crime offenders, every situation is different based on judge, can't explain more.

 

[jillio]

That's not what I was means.

Let me to make clarity, I means point the gun at robber, not fire it until threat has been done.

Depends on state law about charge with crime when shoot at robber or crime offenders, every situation is different based on judge, can't explain more.

Well, lets look at these possible scenarios:

Pull a gun on an armed robber without being prepared to fire it. The armed robber has the jump on you and shoots you while you hold the gun in your hand.

Pull a gun on an unarmed robber without being prepared to fire it. He takes the gun away from you and pistol whips you with it, leaving you with brain damage.

Pull a gun on an unarmed robber without being prepared to fire it. He realizes you are trying to bluff him and simply walks away.

Either way, you have still been robbed and placed yourself in greater danger of physical harm.

Never, ever pull a gun unless you are going to shoot. And if you pull the gun and shoot, you'd better have sufficient cause to show that your life itself was in danger.