Rodney King dead at 47

Jiro said:
so you're saying that LAPD is a bunch of criminals?
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Jiro said:
that's why criminals are criminals. criminals break the laws. so what about somebody who has been sworn in? does it allow them to break the law because of criminals breaking the law?


correct. and same for attacking civilian and violating civilian's civil right.
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I remember St-einstein's version of law enforcement. It had something to do with border guards shooting to kill a Hispanic minor across the border, because he threw rocks.
 
CrazyPaul said:
You know what happens if a good cop tells a bad cop to stop?
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no idea. you tell me. (skip to 1:00 if you're impatient)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSnCZywgtQU]Police Officers Fight Each Other If They Should Beat a Handcuffed Man - YouTube[/ame]
 
Foxrac said:
in Simi Valley? all jurors are white, except for 1 latino and 1 Asian that acquitted all police officers, also declare mistrial on 1 charge.
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Re-read the article please. Here it is, "The jury, which had no white members, deadlocked on one charge of excessive force against Powell, and a mistrial was declared on that charge."
 
saywhatkid said:
So you are saying that retaliation is justified? When the guy is beaten to the point he needs 5 hours of surgery to save his life, don't you think that the LEOs had him under enough control to arrest him?
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You might want to re-read my post! I said that they (cops) gave him the beating of his life and that they (cops) over did it! ???
 
airportcop said:
Re-read the article please. Here it is, "The jury, which had no white members, deadlocked on one charge of excessive force against Powell, and a mistrial was declared on that charge."
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No, that's not what it said. You have to click the link in order to read it.
But following a three-month trial in the predominantly white Los Angeles suburb of Simi Valley, three of the officers were acquitted of all charges. The jury, which had no black members, deadlocked on one charge of excessive force against Powell, and a mistrial was declared on that charge.
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It was the typo error in op's post.
 
Jiro said:
it doesn't matter how it started. what mattered was police conduct in that situation. just because a criminal broke a law doesn't mean it allows police officers to break a law and department policy too. that's why they were found guilty and jailed.


what's up with you and your silly "black" thing?
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Well, for one thing it is true! Many blacks do not know how to swim and many are afraid to go in the water. I know because I was in the Navy with many!

As far as wrong about the excessive use of force you are correct but have you ever heard of adrenaline? King did not obey and fought back. He also ran at first. Add all that to the adrenaline and it explains part of why it happened. I'm not saying it was justified or okay.
 
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Jiro said:
wow. lotsa of contradictions in your post.

Rodney King was fighting back. But police were using excessive force. ok.... so.... many criminals fight back and in many cases, they were under influence. many police officers did not have to resort to beat-down in order to subdue them.

so what would makes a real difference? a proper police conduct and following department policy. none of these officers followed the law and department policy. Rodney King was a scumbag for driving recklessly thru neighborhoods but what police officers did was worse. They're worse than scumbags. They were the reason why LA was a very hostile place to be at that time. And it took Rodney King to change that.
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Would you like to point out the contradictions???
 
Jiro said:
uh.... Sergeant Koon did use a taser on Rodney King. He shot at his back and that's why Rodney King fell down. since you were not aware of this, then that means you are clearly uninformed about this whole situation..... meaning your view and opinion have been sadly tainted by some buffoons to make you think everything is Rodney King's fault.


no..... a beat-down should never ever happen in the first place or at any time. beat-down is illegal. period.
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Give her a break jiro! Not everyone knew that tasers were in use back then. In fact they were not common at all. Only because this was LA did they have the tasers as they are the departments that get them first and even help test them. Just because RR didn't know that doesn't mean that she is misinformed or wrong! I happen to agree with most of what she has said.
 
airportcop said:
Well, for one thing it is true! Many blacks do not know how to swim and many are afraid to go in the water. I know because I was in the Navy with many!

As far as wrong about the excessive use of force you are correct but have you ever heard of adrenaline? King did not obey and fought back. He also ran at first. Add all that to the adrenaline and it explains part of why it happened. I'm not saying it was justified or okay.
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adrenaline? well gee! that's why we spend a tons of tax money for police training to ensure that police officers don't succumb to tunnel vision caused by adrenaline so that we don't have to pay for hefty legal settlements if our police officers broke the laws.

focus focus focus! why are you focusing on Rodney King? He was a criminal. Criminal is supposed to break the law and all. That is a fact. And now it's a police officer's job to catch him and arrest him..... in a lawful manner and as according to department policy. Why aren't you focusing on police officers' illegal actions?
 
KristinaB said:
What I want to know is this: Why did they have to bring back all the info from the beating in the new regarding the drowning death. Yes, his past might be what made him and yes, it is how some people will remember him, but I think it is just a bad way of reporting the man's death.

And, while there may have been logical reasons for him to be pulled over, there was absolutely no reason to have the living daylights beaten and kicked out of him. That was just too much and the officers went too far. That's my opinion.
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It's because sensationalism sells unfortunately! That is why our MM sucks so badly and doesn't always report the truth. Usually only part of the truth!
 
rockin'robin said:
Disagree...he was not fighting back because the cops went too far....he was fighting back to avoid being arrested....he was drunk and disorderly...
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I wasn't born when this happened, but I remember talking about it in school. They said Mr. King was high on crack and that crack makes a person wild and strong. I think that's worse than just being drunk.

From the video it looks like the cops over reacted very badly, but I think in the beginning of the arrest King was giving them a VERY hard time.
 
Jiro said:
adrenaline? well gee! that's why we spend a tons of tax money for police training to ensure that police officers don't succumb to tunnel vision caused by adrenaline so that we don't have to pay for hefty legal settlements if our police officers broke the laws.

focus focus focus! why are you focusing on Rodney King? He was a criminal. Criminal is supposed to break the law and all. That is a fact. And now it's a police officer's job to catch him and arrest him..... in a lawful manner and as according to department policy. Why aren't you focusing on police officers' illegal actions?
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I'm not focusing on anyone's actions! That would be you! No one is supposed to break the law!
 
Foxrac said:
There is confirmation to your post.
Swimming ability gap between whites and minorities remains | kare11.com
Minorities Drowning Risk: Safety Groups Urge Swimming Lessons For Hispanic And Black Communities
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Thought you'd want to read this two-year-old article and comments.
BBC News - Why don't black Americans swim?

US swimming stats

USA Swimming/University of Memphis study found ethnic differences

68.9% of African-American children with no or low ability to swim
57.9% of Hispanic children
41.8% of white children

Study quizzed 2,000 children and parents in six US cities
CDC recorded 3,443 fatal accidental drownings in 2007
Drowning is second greatest cause of accidental death in children under 14
African-American children aged 5 to 14 3.1 times more likely to drown
 
Barbaro said:
No, that's not what it said. You have to click the link in order to read it.


It was the typo error in op's post.
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Okay, my bad! Guess I was wrong on that one! Never trust the media! Always check your sources! My apologies to the people of AD! There should have been a jury of his peers! At least half black!
 
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airportcop said:
Okay, my bad! Guess I was wrong on that one! Never trust the media! Always check your sources! My apologies to the people of AD! There should have been a jury of his peers! At least half black!
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Ok, I accepted your apologies.

Yup, some sources are misinformed.
 
Mimsy said:
I wasn't born when this happened, but I remember talking about it in school. They said Mr. King was high on crack and that crack makes a person wild and strong. I think that's worse than just being drunk.

From the video it looks like the cops over reacted very badly, but I think in the beginning of the arrest King was giving them a VERY hard time.
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That is not correct. He was drunk. The only drug in his system was a small amount of marijuana.
 
Jiro said:
so you're saying that LAPD is a bunch of criminals?
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The officials that broke the law were, yes. The law applies to everyone.
Even criminals trying to escape arrest by driving the wrong way on an expressway.
 
airportcop said:
Give her a break jiro! Not everyone knew that tasers were in use back then. In fact they were not common at all. Only because this was LA did they have the tasers as they are the departments that get them first and even help test them. Just because RR didn't know that doesn't mean that she is misinformed or wrong! I happen to agree with most of what she has said.
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Don't you think it's important to correct a wrong information?

Look at her posts. Her opinion was based on what she knew and she held onto that flawed belief based on wrong information for decades.

Since she didn't know of this important fact, chance is she didn't know a bunch of other important facts too that would have changed her view.
 
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