Richard Matt And David Sweat, Convicted Murderers, Escape From New York Prison

diehardbiker said:
Which one would do better when escape, the one with military experience, and one without them?
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but.... he did not have a military experience nor was ever in military....

diehardbiker said:
Does not matter how much experience, but having experience can make difference.
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how so? please do tell.
 
diehardbiker said:
No, I am not.. I am only point out "POSSIBLITY" that is all, there is NO concrete evidence at this time. But you see, PA border right, that is about 350 miles away from prison, but the border to canada from Prison is only 30 miles, right?

I think these two guys are playing games with the officials and would do anything to confuse them. Also, I am sure many of ex con around would support his escape and confuse authorities, or those old people wants attention by claiming they saw them, and so on.

Who says its going to be easy recapture? I don't think its going to be easy recapture.
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wow. you surely have quite an imagination. theorizing and explaining at great length for every single news you hear.

they may be in Mexico because he was in Mexican gang.
they may be in Canada because he had a military training.
they may be in Pennsylvania because he grew up in there.

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let's calm down, Mr. Expert P.I. let's stick with news, shall we? I don't really care if you hopscotched back and forth between USA-Canadian border. I don't care how easy it is to get into Canadian border. I don't care at all because you did not escape from the prison and walked 10+ miles to the border as a prison escapee. it's not easy and it does not take 7 hours to get unless they're in excellent shape with excellent marathon-like endurance with outstanding sense of homing beacon and no supply at all.

it is not unlikely that they had a substantial logistic support once they got out of manhole... meaning - did they have a car and duffle bags full of clothes, money, food, and a safe house ready for them? nope. I doubt it. but maybe I'm wrong.
 
Do you have concrete answer that they have not a crossed Canada?

I used to live and work up in that area for several years and I know what they look like up there. Its not as dramatic as you might think happened up there.

Like I said, prison to Canada border is ONLY 30 miles away, if they had a confirmed gateway car by somebody else, they only need minimum of an hour to get up to Canada from prison cell. Half an hour to drive, half an hour to get out of joint. Nobody knows for 7 hours, that is a lot time that has been lost. if they were discover say at midnight, then they lost the window of opportunity which I could agree with you, BUT 7 hours and Canada being 30 miles away, so is Vermont as well, there is no river, no stream, not even a lake across the border in that area where prison is located. Look at map again...

Jiro said:
wow. you surely have quite an imagination. theorizing and explaining at great length for every single news you hear.

they may be in Mexico because he was in Mexican gang.
they may be in Canada because he had a military training.
they may be in Pennsylvania because he grew up in there.

:dizzy:

let's calm down, Mr. Expert P.I. let's stick with news, shall we? I don't really care if you hopscotched back and forth between USA-Canadian border. I don't care how easy it is to get into Canadian border. I don't care at all because you did not escape from the prison and walked 10+ miles to the border as a prison escapee. it's not easy and it does not take 7 hours to get unless they're in excellent shape with excellent marathon-like endurance with outstanding sense of homing beacon and no supply at all.
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diehardbiker said:
Do you have concrete answer that they have not a crossed Canada?
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do you have a concrete answer that they have crossed into Canada?

diehardbiker said:
I used to live and work up in that area for several years and I know what they look like up there.
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they do not used to live and work in that area for several years.

diehardbiker said:
Its not as dramatic as you might think happened up there.
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what did you think what I thought it was?

diehardbiker said:
Like I said, prison to Canada border is ONLY 30 miles away, if they had a confirmed gateway car by somebody else, they only need minimum of an hour to get up to Canada from prison cell. Half an hour to drive, half an hour to get out of joint. Nobody knows for 7 hours, that is a lot time that has been lost. if they were discover say at midnight, then they lost the window of opportunity which I could agree with you, BUT 7 hours and Canada being 30 miles away, so is Vermont as well, there is no river, no stream, not even a lake across the border in that area where prison is located. Look at map again...
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why should I look at the map? you thought they were in Canada, Mexico, Vermont, Pennsylvania, south NY...
 
Jiro said:
so you're saying your google map and my google map are showing different thing?


who said it is? why is it a huge concern for you? has there been a terrorist coming into America from Canada? exactly what we are protecting ourselves from USA-Canada border?
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Wow, you have a very good point. I didn't think of that. If a terrorist can't come into USA from Canada through a border, then how would the escapees go into Canada from USA through a border? :hmm: I don't think DHB can answer that.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Wow, you have a very good point. I didn't think of that. If a terrorist can't come into USA from Canada through a border, then how would the escapees go into Canada from USA through a border? :hmm: I don't think DHB can answer that.
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there is definitely a serious security concern between USA-Mexico border as it has been documented for decades.... but USA-Canada? is it also a serious security concern? that is a question I'm asking DHB.

if it's so easy for anybody to simply stroll into USA from Canada at Canusa Avenue as shown in DHB's youtube link.... then why aren't we hearing anything about terrorists easily coming into America from that way or it being a major drug trade route???
 
diehardbiker said:
You see the problem? You are obsessed with facts, guess what? There are NO concrete facts exists as well. So therefore ANYTHING is possible.

There are two separate sights of these two scumbags, its about 350 miles from prison... But plm is its inconclusive, meaning there is no concrete fact yet.
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I just googled it on my own. It mentions that the Canadian gov and US gov agree to set up the fences all the way from west to east for terrorism purpose. As for now, US gov uses unmanned drones to watch the border 24/7. In other words, those escapees don't want to go there because of drones. DHB, don't you see high tech can get you?
 
I am nervous because I live on PA border not far from where convicts were spotted.
 
'Shawshank' escapees could be 'riding the rails', police say after 'credible sighting' of the pair on train tracks near Pennsylvania border led to nothing
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cks-near-Pennsylvania-border-led-nothing.html

New York prison break: Intense search continues in rural area of possible sightings
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/21/us/new-york-prison-break/index.html

Hunt for escaped inmates now centered hundreds of miles from prison
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-yor...escaped-inmates-david-sweat-and-richard-matt/
 
CrazyPaul said:
I just googled it on my own. It mentions that the Canadian gov and US gov agree to set up the fences all the way from west to east for terrorism purpose. As for now, US gov uses unmanned drones to watch the border 24/7. In other words, those escapees don't want to gthatso there because of drones. DHB, don't you see high tech can get you?
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Thsts all wet dreams..and bull****.
I know the border in certain plwces veryvwell.
Trust me
The above ides is bull****. They cant fence it...your desling with mass amounts of land animalS that cross both ways, caribou, deer, bison u name it canada is full of animals, depending on.wear.
In the west its impossibke down and along mountains, at B.C. then you have b.c. alaska...no way...the.only place a fence idea might work is prarries, but thats s fraction of the border...what They do is in west anyway in some places, cut aswath of trees down that shows the border.
Look
Im not allowed in the states but out west crossing was easy.....-)
Your dreaming if you think fencing the border from the atlantic to pacific and the artic down along alaska is possible...
Wont happen..
Now
Some.parts of the border are very well looked after obviously....
Soithern ontario comes to mind because of natural obsticles, the referse is true for most of the border...
They do watch some of.the border 24 7, but thats not even remotely close.to half or even a querter of the border, drones.are nothing man, on the prarries shure,,but most of border isnt prairies, its hevily wooded. Good luck dreaming..
 
The gov cant even handle or contain the mexican border, a fraction of the size and not remotely as rugged,
faT chance locking down the canadian one....
Really..
 
Yes, I am concern of terrorism though this weakest link. Yes it is very weak link, its harder to get into USA than to get into Canada (Relatively speaking) BUT still its easy to get into USA anyway. The Canada's government isn't as big as ours, we have much more American citizens than Canadian citizens. Most of Canada land is very secluded, sometimes open plain, of course mountains but they aren't on every mile of the border mostly with few people around, not like here so because they are smaller than ours so their protection is much smaller than ours making it easier to get into Canada without even saying hello to Canada customs.

Don't forget the number of Californians living in California is about the same number of Canadians living in entire country, notice the size proportional? Canada is very huge country (Size of land), but has only few people living up there per square mile. With so few people, how can they protect their border, eh?

CrazyPaul said:
Wow, you have a very good point. I didn't think of that. If a terrorist can't come into USA from Canada through a border, then how would the escapees go into Canada from USA through a border? :hmm: I don't think DHB can answer that.
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Might be getting HOT!...they found some "underwear"....:hmm:...so guess they're free-balling it now.....(j/k)....
 
diehardbiker said:
Yes, I am concern of terrorism though this weakest link. Yes it is very weak link, its harder to get into USA than to get into Canada (Relatively speaking) BUT still its easy to get into USA anyway. The Canada's government isn't as big as ours, we have much more American citizens than Canadian citizens. Most of Canada land is very secluded, sometimes open plain, of course mountains but they aren't on every mile of the border mostly with few people around, not like here so because they are smaller than ours so their protection is much smaller than ours making it easier to get into Canada without even saying hello to Canada customs.

Don't forget the number of Californians living in California is about the same number of Canadians living in entire country, notice the size proportional? Canada is very huge country (Size of land), but has only few people living up there per square mile. With so few people, how can they protect their border, eh?
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so how exactly is it "easier" for a terrorist to get into Canada?

and has there been a terrorist found crossing into America from Canada?
 
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so they broke into a cabin and hid in there...... exactly what I thought. I don't see them "strolling" into Canadian border. I guess it's not really that easy after all. and it doesn't look like they have Plan B at all...
 
Jiro said:
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so they broke into a cabin and hid in there...... exactly what I thought. I don't see them "strolling" into Canadian border. I guess it's not really that easy after all. and it doesn't look like they have Plan B at all...
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Its easier then you.think, it depends on where, and how,really...as forplan b, i think its silly arguing over if escsped.cons have a plan b or a plan d or z....
If people want ro believe guys like this would succsessfuly escape with utterly no plan ..
Cool
Really...
As for the cabin, obviously they broke into a cabin, so? They prob akso were travaling during the rain to help wash their scents, from hounds. So on,we dont know when they were in the cabin, for how long. im not oppossed to anyone thinking these guys woukd stay close to.the prison they escapped from if thats what some want to believe
But i gaurantee you the cops and feds after them know better...
For what its worth...
 
rockin'robin said:
Might be getting HOT!...they found some "underwear"....:hmm:...so guess they're free-balling it now.....(j/k)....
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Not sure how finding sme underwear leads you to believe its getting hot. We dont know when they were there, for how long so on....
 
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