Richard Matt And David Sweat, Convicted Murderers, Escape From New York Prison

Cuomo said the prison break was the first escape from the maximum-security portion of the facility since it was built in 1865.

WOW!...Reminds me of the Shawshank Redemption....they desperately need to catch these guys.
 
Hope they make it. The way i see it..
If you break out, you earned it....
Now
Heads should role...power tools really? your going to need some good solod tools to cut thriugh multiple pipes and so on, snd make s hole through concrete in your cell....with no screw (guard) ever hearing or noticing s thing?
They where In max, allot of questiins besides the tools need to be asnwered, how did they even know the lsu of the land or where to even start?
The warden needs to be fired.
Anyway..good for them....
Not like these two guys were evil or anything.
One killed a cop,
The other killed a man he kidnapoPed..
Both those acts arent evil in themselves...
Not like they are pedos, or some such monsters...
Theyre just averege normal killers...
Anyway....
 
hoichi said:
Hope they make it. The way i see it..
If you break out, you earned it....
Now
Heads should role...power tools really? your going to need some good solod tools to cut thriugh multiple pipes and so on, snd make s hole through concrete in your cell....with no screw (guard) ever hearing or noticing s thing?
They where In max, allot of questiins besides the tools need to be asnwered, how did they even know the lsu of the land or where to even start?
The warden needs to be fired.
Anyway..good for them....
Not like these two guys were evil or anything.
One killed a cop,
The other killed a man he kidnapoPed..
Both those acts arent evil in themselves...
Not like they are pedos, or some such monsters...
Theyre just averege normal killers...
Anyway....
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I'm getting a kick out of your thoughts on these guys as "not evil"?? What?? you mean only pedophiles are evil? Anyone who kills another person is evil.

Better be watching your back up there in Ontario, when they come breaking into your house and hold you hostage, then decide to kill you too. Be careful up there, keep your door locked, I'm worried about you!
 
They are truly evil, and they probably won't hesitate to kill anyone else who gets in their way. :mad:
 
hoichi said:
....Not like these two guys were evil or anything.
One killed a cop,
The other killed a man he kidnapoPed..
Both those acts arent evil in themselves... ....
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I am curious, what kind of acts do you consider evil?


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Annie09Z said:
I'm getting a kick out of your thoughts on these guys as "not evil"?? What?? you mean only pedophiles are evil? Anyone who kills another person is evil.

Better be watching your back up there in Ontario, when they come breaking into your house and hold you hostage, then decide to kill you too. Be careful up there, keep your door locked, I'm worried about you!
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Not only pedos are evil, but murder in and by itself or killing inand by itsekf doesnt auto make someone evil does it?

As for mw watching my back, dont worry about me annie, i can take care of myself and am not concerned in the least.
A note on evil.
Ive known evil bastards in my life, that where not killers. Words csnt describe it...but you wil know evil when you encounter it.
The mere fact of killing another is not the measure nor has it ever been in the west anyway when it comes to the idea of evil..
What it is, and what it is not.
AnyhoOoo
 
Reba said:
They are truly evil, and they probably won't hesitate to kill anyone else who gets in their way. :mad:
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Why are they truly evil?
is every single murderer or killer of another human bieng truly evil?
If so why if not then whats so special about them to class them as truly evil?
Just curious
 
Jezie said:
I am curious, what kind of acts do you consider evil?


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Just killing a cop doesnt make one evil...
Just like when a cop kills another...it doesnt make him evil..
There is more to evil then that...
Same goes for the killing of the kidnapped dude...
We need to.define tems...
First i guess would be what is evil?
But that would be against the rules.re the forum...
So...
Best we can do is at least understand one can be evil without being a murderer or killer, and one can be a killer and a murderer withiut being evil.
Thats been the consensus in the west since well, st augustine pdob even before.
if one cared to look.
Killing is killing, and murder is murder. Right. Not evry killing is considered murder is it?
So why then should we blanket every killer or murderer as evil?
Its a valid question..
Food for Thought
 
hoichi said:
Not only pedos are evil, but murder in and by itself or killing inand by itsekf doesnt auto make someone evil does it?

As for mw watching my back, dont worry about me annie, i can take care of myself and am not concerned in the least.
A note on evil.
Ive known evil bastards in my life, that where not killers. Words csnt describe it...but you wil know evil when you encounter it.
The mere fact of killing another is not the measure nor has it ever been in the west anyway when it comes to the idea of evil..
What it is, and what it is not.
AnyhoOoo
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I really do believe you can take care of yourself just fine, and I also understand your meaning of evil. These guys did kill and they will kill again in the pursuit of trying for their freedom. No sense of putting definitions on them as to whether they are evil or not. I do hope they are caught and put back in prison, hopefully a different penitentiary.
 
Annie09Z said:
I really do believe you can take care of yourself just fine, and I also understand your meaning of evil. These guys did kill and they will kill again in the pursuit of trying for their freedom. No sense of putting definitions on them as to whether they are evil or not. I do hope they are caught and put back in prison, hopefully a different penitentiary.
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We do agree. re these cons killing again to stay free. thats a good bet..
given everything...id be supeised if they let themselvesbe tsken alive given whst dungeon awaits them....
But never know...
but since they busted out...i thbk theybesrned their freedom and shouks be allowed.to have it until they commit s crime again...
I know...thats not how the system works but its an idea...ah well.,,
 
Hoichi, it makes them convicted murderers, they need to be apprehended and returned to prison.
Are you trying to make a philosophical argument for the definition of evil? Hitler and the German (non Jew) people did not think he was evil. None of the members of ISIS consider themselves evil... get the idea?
 
hoichi said:
We do agree. re these cons killing again to stay free. thats a good bet..
given everything...id be supeised if they let themselvesbe tsken alive given whst dungeon awaits them....
But never know...
but since they busted out...i thbk theybesrned their freedom and shouks be allowed.to have it until they commit s crime again...
I know...thats not how the system works but its an idea...ah well.,,
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:hmm:...you're insane.
 
hoichi said:
Just killing a cop doesnt make one evil...
Just like when a cop killsanother...it doesnt make him evil..
There is more to evil then that...
Same goes for the killing of the kidnapped dude...
We need to.define tems...
First i guess woukd be what is evil?
But that woukd be against the rules.re the forum...
So...
Best we can do is at least understans. one can be evil without being a murderer oe killer, and onw can be a killer and a murderer withiut being evil.
Thats been the consensus in the west since well, st audustine peob even before.
if one cared to look.
Killing is killing, and murder is murder. Right. Not evry killing is considered murder is it?
So why then should we blanket every killer or murderer as evil?
Its a valod question..
Food for Thought
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Every killer is not a murder due to the reason and purpose of the killing... but at the same go and as you stated understanding your lines of evil would be necessary for this conversation to go much further...

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Jezie said:
Every killer is not a murder due to the reason and purpose of the killing... but at the same go and as you stated understanding your lines of evil would be necessary for this conversation to go much further...

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All we know is of these two cons is
One killed a cOp
and one killed a.dude he kidnapped

Those acts in themselves dont constitute evil under any definition really..
and until i know more of them, i wont class them as evil, they sre just killers who hwve escaped.
a cop is armed, trained and knows his line of work has its dangers and accepts it. And he is killed in the line of duty..that is tragic some would even say honorable. but he stood a good chance. And knew the Risks and accepted them and did his duty. And met his end.
his killing is not evil, nor would his killer be evil...
Heeres an example of eviL to help illustrate a point.
A man kidnapps a wee girl, rapes her, and does the most god awfull things one can inagine to her...and then kills her rather slowly just becuse, thats all just because he could....
What in these examplles is different?
BotH persons.are killed,
I argue one is an act of evil
The other not
Can you see the difference?
 
hoichi said:
All we know is of these two cons is
One killed a cOp
and one killed a.dude he kidnapped

Those acts in themselvesdont constitute evil under any definition really..
and until i know more of them, i wont class them as evil, they sre just killers who hwve escaped.
a cop is armed, trained snd knows his line of eork has its dsngers and accepts it. And he is killed in the line of duty..that is tragic some wpuls even say honorable. but he stood a goos chance. And knew the Risks and accepted them and dis his duty. And met his end.
his killing is not evil, nor woukd his killer be evil...
Heees an example of eviL
A man kidnapps a wee girl, rapes her, and does the most god awfull things one can inagine to her...and then kills her rsther slowly just becuse
What in these examplles is different?
BotH persons.are killed,
I argue one is an act of evil
The other not
Can you see the difference?
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I do see a difference ...
One is helpless and killed bruitly for not other reason than enjoyment, and without honor while the other was on equal footing, done quickly, was not helpless, and died with honor.

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Jezie said:
Every killer is not a murder due to the reason and purpose of the killing... but at the same go and as you stated understanding your lines of evil would be necessary for this conversation to go much further...

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Right and it is the reason and purpose that also makes the act evil or not...
 
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