Returning soldiers struggle to find therapists

[Nesmuth]

I seen soldiers bring the war back home. And there's some youtube clips showing them fighting the cops. And they fight real good.

Richard

 

[Barbaro]

Ah, ad hominem.

Liebing.... that was uncalled for. How do you know he enjoys killing people because he went to Iraq 7 times? That is deleterious and prejudicial statement. Texan guy said he went to Iraq 7 times because he wanted to prove anti-protesters that he still supports the war by going there to Iraq.

 

[TFWFalcon]

Anybody wana watch boxing bout?. Make sure bring some popcorns and pops.

ready>>>let being match



Reba

Liebling))

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You can spin it whatever way you want. The people here can read for themselves.

Then you are troublemaker for try to get anyone´s attention with your posts against me. It´s TexanGuy´s friend I am referring to, not anyone.

I'm not surprised that you haven't heard any soldiers at your office say anything positive about the war. If they know your attitude about it, I'm sure they don't want to open up themselves for your criticism.

I see opposite as you. The soliders in my office don´t brag like TexanGuy´s friend how often they went to Iraq and "belittle" anti-war protesters because they don´t prefer to say this case it could happen to them there. Of course we talk about postive and negative about wars, traveling, etc. They know and accept what I am with no critizing my POV like you and some ADers here.

If Texan Guy's friend was the first one you heard about with that viewpoint then you have a very limited exposure to other military members. His friend's attitude is common.

wow I would not prefer to say this case I would being label as show off or arrogant case it might happened on me ...

No, I said that your reasoning implied that all soldiers who volunteer for combat multiple times enjoy killing. That was the reasoning that you used to indict Texan Guy's friend.

No, this is your word, not mine. If you still claim then you are a liar.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ah, ad hominem.

Liebing.... that was uncalled for. How do you know he enjoys killing people because he went to Iraq 7 times? That is deleterious and prejudicial statement. Texan guy said he went to Iraq 7 times because he wanted to prove anti-protesters that he still supports the war by going there to Iraq.

How do I know? It proves himself how brag and show-off he to anti-war protesters how often he went to Iraq. I would not open my mouth case it should not happend to me when I were him. What would antí-war protestors reacts when anything happened to him then? I prefer not to say this...




I cannot beleive after read some posts here with no even comments or any positive feedback to support the article, I provided here in my first thread... It show themselves is ignorant... What a shame... *shake my head*

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Anybody wana watch boxing bout?. Make sure bring some popcorns and pops.

ready>>>let being match



Reba

Liebling))

I like your emoction...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I agree that you never said that. You implied by your logic that all soldiers who volunteer for multiple combat tours do that because they enjoy killing.

I stand what I said about TexanGuy´s friend only who brags to anti-war protestors that he went to Iraq 7 times because none of soliders said like this to us. Why he said this to anti-war protestors then????????????? I bet soliders in my office would :roll: when I tell them what a guy belittle anti-war protestors how often he went to Iraq to anti-war protestors

You said that the soldiers who don't enjoy killing quit the Army;

Accord some soliders´ words because it´s not necassary to go Iraq after Saddam´s arrest and know that Saddam is not responsible for 9/11. Why should soliders have to go there then? It´s very sad that soliders have to die because Bush thought Saddam did it.

but if a soldier wants to go to Iraq 7 times that means he enjoys killing. So you are insulting all soldiers who don't quit, and do volunteer to go back to Iraq.

Unfortunately you interpret my post in the wrong way. If a solider who brags/show-off to belittle anti-war protestors how often he goes to Iraq which mean that he enjoy to kill enemies. Which he should not say this to prove anti-war protestors case it might happen to him.

If a solider who goes to Iraq 7 times then not say anything to belittle anti-war protestors but keep himself is okay.

Can you agree that soldiers, including Texan Guy's friend, can volunteer for more tours of duty in Iraq without enjoying killing?

Nope, I never say but you.

Can you agree that any soliders who brags/show-off to belittle anti-war protestors how often they went to Iraq? Would you say like this to them then?

I would with pain when a solider like TexanGuy´s friend who brag to me that he went to Iraq 7 times and negative anti-war protestors... I would walk off away from them because boast, show-off, brag is my pet peeves. It shows himself that he has no respect for anti-war protestors. I would ignore anti-war protestors when I were him.

 

[jillio]

It's hard to beleive that you NEVER heard it and claim that they are fine because everyone knows about this.

My Grandad experienced WWII and got severe nightmare!!! It's same with my hubby's Uncle at WWI and WWII as well. I share their experiences... It's bad nightmares for them...



See ?



It's good for your friend who enjoy to kill enemies. Your friend have a strong person which is not same with others.



Ooohhhh yesssss, of couuurrrssse the kids are toooo happpy to see their daddies as the same as US soliders are happpppyyy to return to their own families safety and warm loving.... We are for soliders who are happy to reunion with their families and partners after long months suffers... I know a lot of US soliders are upset and don't want to transfer to Iraq after Germany.



I said the same thing about you because you said that you never heard about this but everyone in the world knows about this but America? I'm total surprised that you didn't know about this. We all know for years that soliders seek for the help after war... It's terrible experience for them. It look like that Bush hide something negative about soliders from you all or what?



Remember that Iraq has nothing do with 9/11 but why continue send soliders to Iraq after Saddam's arrest for?



wow, you need to open your mind to see the fact that there're truth about war issues. I feel that you has a little knowledge about this.

I cannot beleive after read those sentence (red bond) and must say that you are an ignorant person, I ever known is HERE...

Agreed. Back in WWII they called it "battle fatigue". But it was PTSD in a milder form. WWII veterans, although exposed to trauma, did not develop an extreme form because the conditions of war were different. They knew who the enemy was, and the way the battles were fought were different. Beginning with Vietnam, and somewhat, in Korea, things changed. Soldiers were no longer sure who the enemy was. Suddenly, even the smallest civilian child was looked on with suspicion, and could be booby trapped and cause death. Conditions of war changed, and with that, the incidence of PTSD increased in our troops. Treatment has not kept up with the increased demand.

Texan guy--have you ever fought on the front lines? Have you ever witnessed first hand some of the atrocities of war? I don't see how you could doubt the impact that would have on an individual--particularly when we are talking, many times, about kids that are 18-19 years old that have never been away from home, much less witnessed widespread brutality and inhumanity.

I personally volunteer as an on call counselor for the families of deployed soldiers in my area. The war impacts not only the soldiers, but has an impact on the mental health of their families as well.

 

[Reba]

I stand what I said about TexanGuy´s friend only who brags to anti-war protestors that he went to Iraq 7 times because none of soliders said like this to us. Why he said this to anti-war protestors then????????????? I bet soliders in my office would :roll: when I tell them what a guy belittle anti-war protestors how often he went to Iraq to anti-war protestors

Where did you read that? Where did Texan Guy say that his friend "bragged"? Where did you read that his friend "belittled" anti-war protestors?

Unfortunately you interpret my post in the wrong way. If a solider who brags/show-off to belittle anti-war protestors how often he goes to Iraq which mean that he enjoy to kill enemies.

Where did he brag or show off? Where did he say he enjoys killing?

Can you agree that any soliders who brags/show-off to belittle anti-war protestors how often they went to Iraq? Would you say like this to them then?

Who bragged? Who showed off? Who belittled? Texan Guy's friend didn't do that.

I would with pain when a solider like TexanGuy´s friend who brag to me that he went to Iraq 7 times and negative anti-war protestors... I would walk off away from them because boast, show-off, brag is my pet peeves. It shows himself that he has no respect for anti-war protestors. I would ignore anti-war protestors when I were him.

First of all, Texan Guy's friend didn't brag, boast, or show off. I don't know why you keep accusing him of something he didn't do.

Secondly, why should he respect anti-war protesters? They certainly don't respect him.

I thought you said that you supported the soldiers but you seem more concerned about the feelings of the protesters. You criticize the soldier friend, and whine about respect for the protesters.

 

[TFWFalcon]

ROUND

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jillio

Where did you read that? Where did Texan Guy say that his friend "bragged"? Where did you read that his friend "belittled" anti-war protestors?

Where did he brag or show off? Where did he say he enjoys killing?

Who bragged? Who showed off? Who belittled? Texan Guy's friend didn't do that.

Come on, you know yourself that you would not say like this to anyone how often you went to Iraq then? It´s sign of his brag when TexanGuy mentioned that his friend went to Iraq 7 times and want to go there again... :roll:

First of all, Texan Guy's friend didn't brag, boast, or show off. I don't know why you keep accusing him of something he didn't do.

Because TexanGuy said that his friend said that he went to Iraq 7 times and want to go there again. It is sign of his brag and show-off.

Secondly, why should he respect anti-war protesters? They certainly don't respect him.

I would ignore anti-war protestors instead of prove them when I were him.

I thought you said that you supported the soldiers but you seem more concerned about the feelings of the protesters.

Yes because US soliders and their families have feeling and share their feeling and POV with us with NO brags and show-off like TexanGuys friend did.

You criticize the soldier friend, and whine about respect for the protesters.

I would say the same about you in your first post#8 of my thread... *shake my head*

 

[Tousi]

There's just no comparison except to say Reba's the Spurs and Leibling's the Cavs of this forum.

There's a whole lot more I want to say but I know it won't do any good.

 

[Reba]

Agreed. Back in WWII they called it "battle fatigue". But it was PTSD in a milder form. WWII veterans, although exposed to trauma, did not develop an extreme form because the conditions of war were different. They knew who the enemy was, and the way the battles were fought were different. Beginning with Vietnam, and somewhat, in Korea, things changed. Soldiers were no longer sure who the enemy was. Suddenly, even the smallest civilian child was looked on with suspicion, and could be booby trapped and cause death. Conditions of war changed, and with that, the incidence of PTSD increased in our troops. Treatment has not kept up with the increased demand....

Sadly, combat fatigue and other related stresses of war have been with us forever. It's only in recent decades that people have been trying to get serious about doing something for it. There's still a lot of work to do.

I was on active duty during the Vietnam years (only stateside), so I saw a lot of those guys when they came back. It was bad. What was also bad was the attitude of the anti-war civilians. The poor vets had enough to struggle with without getting blasted by their fellow Americans. As a result, many of them kept their problems bottled up inside, even more than expected.

It's a big game of "catch up" now. Even when I go to the VA hospital for my routine check ups, I (and every other vet) have to fill out a form that asks if we feel stressed, or have weird dreams or flashbacks, etc. Then, we also get verbally questioned by the nurse or PA when we check in. (As a woman vet, I also get asked if I experienced any sexual threats or assaults.) Hubby and I also get mailings from VA asking about any military-related stress problems.

Negative community attitude sure does nothing to support vets who have enough to deal with.

 

[Reba]

Come on, you know yourself that you would not say like this to anyone how often you went to Iraq then? It´s sign of his brag when TexanGuy mentioned that his friend went to Iraq 7 times and want to go there again... :roll:

Did it ever occur to you that the friend believes in his mission, that he wants to do a good job, that he wants to be with his band of brothers, that he's not a quitter, that he prefers the dangers of combat to the slings and arrows he gets from his fellow Americans?

I see no bragging in his statement.

I would ignore anti-war protestors instead of prove them when I were him.

You can't even ignore minor criticism here in the safe environment of AD; I can't imagine how you would ignore thousands of protesters on TV, in magazines, in newspapers, on the web, and on the streets, criticizing everything you live (and possibly die) for, every day. That, on top of the physical and emotional stress of combat, is not something easy to ignore.

Did you see the way he wants to prove the protesters are wrong? He doesn't want to shoot them, or throw them in jail, or duct tape their mouths. He wants to do something positive. He wants to go back to Iraq to accomplish his duty, not escape it, not "quit".

Yes because US soliders and their families have feeling and share their feeling and POV with us with NO brags and show-off like TexanGuys friend did.

No where did Texan Guy say that his friend was bragging to him. His friend didn't make the post, Texan Guy did.

 

[TFWFalcon]

ROUNDS

 

[jillio]

Sadly, combat fatigue and other related stresses of war have been with us forever. It's only in recent decades that people have been trying to get serious about doing something for it. There's still a lot of work to do.

I was on active duty during the Vietnam years (only stateside), so I saw a lot of those guys when they came back. It was bad. What was also bad was the attitude of the anti-war civilians. The poor vets had enough to struggle with without getting blasted by their fellow Americans. As a result, many of them kept their problems bottled up inside, even more than expected.

It's a big game of "catch up" now. Even when I go to the VA hospital for my routine check ups, I (and every other vet) have to fill out a form that asks if we feel stressed, or have weird dreams or flashbacks, etc. Then, we also get verbally questioned by the nurse or PA when we check in. (As a woman vet, I also get asked if I experienced any sexual threats or assaults.) Hubby and I also get mailings from VA asking about any military-related stress problems.

Negative community attitude sure does nothing to support vets who have enough to deal with.

I would certainly agree with you on that point. There is still a long way to go. The attitudes of the anti-war protestors during Nam were indeed as atrocious as some of the things the soldiers witnessed in battle. There is a huge difference between not supporting the war, and not suppoerting those that were sent there to fight. As the draft was still ineffect during VietNam, many of those soldiers faced either going to war, or going to prison. Not much of a choice, huh?

I do not support the war in Iraq for several reasons--none of which needs to be discussed here. I do, however, support the men that are there, and the families that must endure their absence. They are not responsible for the actions of our government.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Did you see the way he wants to prove the protesters are wrong? He doesn't want to shoot them, or throw them in jail, or duct tape their mouths. He wants to do something positive. He wants to go back to Iraq to accomplish his duty, not escape it, not "quit".

No where did Texan Guy say that his friend was bragging to him. His friend didn't make the post, Texan Guy did.

I do not need to repeat my post... what I say is SIGN in my previous post is good enough...

I ask the same thing about you. You do not need to play with me to know everything about TexanGuy´s friend. You do not need to involve when you didn´t know TexanGuy´s friend. Quit to play with me and try to know everything about Texan Guy and his friend.

No matter what... I only accept anyone´s post and stand what I have my own POV period.

 

[RedheadGrrl]

My friend told me the story abt her uncle who went to vietnam war. He and his buddies were sitting in circle to chat and eat their meals. He had go to bathroom so he went to the wood and heard the copter went down. He turned around and saw all his buddies were chopped off by the copter bladers. He was shooked up and shocked to see it all. He sometimes got a nightmare by it but he made it through for the those years.

 

[MilitaryGirl83]

I come from a military family that I grew up on and I wish everyone was supportive of the millitary like I am. I am helping the military to get what they need for supplies. My dear friend Zach and others that are in Iraq right now.. they don't enjoy it in Iraq but they have to do it. There's no choice. And guess what, I am going to college in the fall to become a military nurse. I want to make a difference for the soliders and everyone else. The military is hard work and it is never easy. Their experiences in Iraq and AFraghan is difficult. I always have faith in them and never give up.

*SIGH* I know that everyone wants their soliders home and away from war but what can we do about it? THOSE SOLIDERS have fought so hard to keep the freedom we have for this country and they keep us safe at night sleeping. You should think twice before you say anything bad about them. My dad was a USMC and Army guy and every one in my family was in all branches of the military.. AND GUESS WHAT.. my brother is going into AIR Force next year after he graduates form high school. He wants to serve his country so what the fuck is wrong with that? My father told me if you don't have any respect for the military nor say anything nice about them.. then SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

Sorry some comments here that I have read made me !

 

[Tousi]

Give that lady a medal!!