Re: video of child crying while CI activated

At least he did not take my favorite eggs:







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Steinhauer said:
Jiro knows this - but is friends with those bad eggs, that is why he is attempting to smother everything I say.
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excuse me? who are those "bad eggs" you speak of?

and smothering? don't confuse it with me double-checking that what you say is factual or not.
 
Jiro said:
excuse me? who are those "bad eggs" you speak of?

and smothering? don't confuse it with me double-checking that what you say is factual or not.
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I didn't mention anything about the Gallaudet Protests (DPN). I stated that the student body (not all, but the majority) became outraged that the administration was considering allowing hearing undergrads to enroll.

I also understand that many within the deaf community feel that CI's are an encroachment on deaf culture. A "hearing world's" attempt to "fix" them and to remove what is left of deaf culture. I get it. I get it, because I have actually listened to the views and opinions of others.

I just don't agree. That does not mean I haven't listened or respected others' views. Maybe ... just maybe, that is part of the problem _ I listened to the opinion's of others, then when I voice mine, mine is not respected ...

So ... who isn't listening? Who is "refusing" to listen ... ?
 
Steinhauer said:
I didn't mention anything about the Gallaudet Protests (DPN). I stated that the student body (not all, but the majority) became outraged that the administration was considering allowing hearing undergrads to enroll.
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lol wow... why do you keep talking about this??? you do realize that this has nothing to do with this thread and that I've never talked about it.

Steinhauer said:
I also understand that many within the deaf community feel that CI's are an encroachment on deaf culture. A "hearing world's" attempt to "fix" them and to remove what is left of deaf culture. I get it. I get it, because I have actually listened to the views and opinions of others.

I just don't agree. That does not mean I haven't listened or respected others' views. Maybe ... just maybe, that is part of the problem _ I listened to the opinion's of others, then when I voice mine, mine is not respected ...
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Right. Exactly why I asked you specifically where had this happened and you've stated that it's from your friends (and real life), not here.

Steinhauer said:
So ... who isn't listening? Who is "refusing" to listen ... ?
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that's why I asked you.
 
Jiro said:
lol wow... why do you keep talking about this??? you do realize that this has nothing to do with this thread and that I've never talked about it.


Right. Exactly why I asked you specifically where had this happened and you've stated that it's from your friends (and real life), not here.


that's why I asked you.
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I've seen it here too. That is one of the reasons there is "the dark side".

I understand the fear of change is very real. I understand the fear of any deaf organization being taken over by the hearing. But ... sometimes, that simply is not the case. Often times, I see those who are overcome with that type of fear shooting themselves in the foot figuratively speaking. Maybe that was why ND was established (Negligent Discharge :giggle: )

Ok seriously though, having said I understand it doesn't mean I understand everything about this issue. Maybe it is because the majority of my family members are hearing and I have not grown up in a deaf family.
 
Steinhauer said:
I've seen it here too. That is one of the reasons there is "the dark side".
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You're not being very specific about it and you've continued to be very vague and obtuse about it so apparently... there isn't really dark side in the first place, I suppose. and you still haven't answered my question. You claimed that I am friend with "bad eggs". who?

Steinhauer said:
I understand the fear of change is very real. I understand the fear of any deaf organization being taken over by the hearing. But ... sometimes, that simply is not the case. Often times, I see those who are overcome with that type of fear shooting themselves in the foot figuratively speaking. Maybe that was why ND was established (Negligent Discharge :giggle: )
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maybe? so you don't know for sure and you're just making it up?

Steinhauer said:
Ok seriously though, having said I understand it doesn't mean I understand everything about this issue. Maybe it is because the majority of my family members are hearing and I have not grown up in a deaf family.
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oic.
 
Ok, first of all, why would I be making something up about a serious topic like this?

Refusing to acknowledge what is so prevalent within the Deaf community is a disservice.


side note to the uninitiated who may be reading this thread:

JSTOR: The Hastings Center Report, Vol. 28, No. 4 (Jul. - Aug., 1998), pp. 6-14

That debate is still ongoing. Not talking about it does not mean it is gonna go away ... it just means those individuals will go further into isolation.
 
Jiro, don't bother. Stein obviously don't care what you said. Let him paint our Deaf community as horrifying Nazi bastards that what he wants to see. :roll:
 
Steinhauer said:
Ok, first of all, why would I be making something up about a serious topic like this?
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I have no idea.

Steinhauer said:
Refusing to acknowledge what is so prevalent within the Deaf community is a disservice.
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Did anybody in AD refuse to acknowledge it? Has AD community ostracized CI people?

Steinhauer said:
side note to the uninitiated who may be reading this thread:

JSTOR: The Hastings Center Report, Vol. 28, No. 4 (Jul. - Aug., 1998), pp. 6-14

That debate is still ongoing. Not talking about it does not mean it is gonna go away ... it just means those individuals will go further into isolation.
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I don't know where you have been but in case you didn't know, your article is from 1998. We're in 2012 and things have changed, you know? we've repeatedly stated that we have no problem with it and that they have our support.

Again - you have continued to avoid my questioning and continued to be obtuse and vague. Looks like you are attempting to create a dark side.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Jiro, don't bother. Stein obviously don't care what you said. Let him paint our Deaf community as horrifying Nazi bastards that what he wants to see. :roll:
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oh I'm aware of it. saw this even before it happened :lol:

that's why I'm here to help Steinhauer to see that what he's seeing isn't there.
 
Jiro said:
oh I'm aware of it. saw this even before it happened :lol:

that's why I'm here to help Steinhauer to see that what he's seeing isn't there.
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And who can help you, Jiro? Please don't tell me you haven't noticed any harassment, here on AD, of parents who chose CIs for their young children. Of adults like drphil.

You are claiming you can predict with certainty that this child will be just as frustrated as "we" have been. Is this the "royal we?" Since when are you the spokesman for all the millions of deaf/Deaf people in tbe U.S., much less for today's generation of CI-using children?

Please, just speak for yourself. None of us can predict this particular child's outcome. Not even you.
 
Beach girl said:
And who can help you, Jiro? Please don't tell me you haven't noticed any harassment, here on AD, of parents who chose CIs for their young children. Of adults like drphil.

You are claiming you can predict with certainty that this child will be just as frustrated as "we" have been. Is this the "royal we?" Since when are you the spokesman for all the millions of deaf/Deaf people in tbe U.S., much less for today's generation of CI-using children?

Please, just speak for yourself. None of us can predict this particular child's outcome. Not even you.
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That was exactly what picture I.was "painting" except I.wasn't the artist responsible.

Just a casual viewer of the big picture giving honest feedback.
 
Beach girl said:
And who can help you, Jiro?
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for?

Beach girl said:
Please don't tell me you haven't noticed any harassment, here on AD, of parents who chose CIs for their young children. Of adults like drphil.
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Have I said such thing? I've already stated that there are always a few bad eggs all over.

You are clearly confused and clueless. Please don't tell me you haven't noticed that we were born deaf. you do realize that lot of us have CI/HA?
Did you not forget that we have repeatedly stated that we support deaf people wanting to hear? in fact, we are the one who gave them information and stories when they wanted to know more about HA/CI.

The real danger is parents having unrealistic expectation of their deaf children by restoring their hearing and that makes us deeply concerned about it.

For starter.... here - http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-educati...ience-gallaudet-knowledgeforcollege-camp.html

Beach girl said:
You are claiming you can predict with certainty that this child will be just as frustrated as "we" have been.
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Looks like you are claiming with certainty that this child will not be frustrated as us.

Beach girl said:
Is this the "royal we?" Since when are you the spokesman for all the millions of deaf/Deaf people in tbe U.S., much less for today's generation of CI-using children? Please, just speak for yourself. None of us can predict this particular child's outcome. Not even you.
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You can ask us, you know? We do have CI/HA as well and I'm wearing one too. Looks like you are being close-minded about this issue.
 
More of the usual reinforcement of passive aggressive "it's not happening, you imagined it" games. It happens... still does to this day. I'd say the attempt to dismiss one's experience when sharing it falls under that category no matter how you dress it up. One should not encounter that when sharing it at AD.

I'm not sure what linking to bbaseball's story about his summer at Gally is trying to show.... that he was frustrated that he didn't know ASL already? I did YSP myself one summer there and didn't know ASL, either. It was a cool experience all around though. It didn't make me regret not learning ASL sooner or feel that I had been deprived. It also helped me decide that Gally wasn't for me.
 
Look, some of my friends are signers and non-signers, and they went to Gally before and none of them have any bad experience. So, you can paint all of us as you want. :roll:

Thank goodness, you guys never read my very personal stories in my early days when I first joined here. :ugh3:
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Look, some of my friends are signers and non-signers, and they went to Gally before and none of them have any bad experience. So, you can paint all of us as you want. :roll:

Thank goodness, you guys never read my very personal stories in my early days when I first joined here. :ugh3:
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I don't see anyone painting "us" any particular way. You shouldn't take it as pointing the finger at you. You can't represent everyone anymore than the experiences/examples Steinhauer cited represents everyone. A better response would be "man, that sucks that you met some deaf a-holes that acted like that, I'm not like that though.... it's all good with me!"

Suspicion and offense is met with suspicion and offense and no one gets anywhere. Let's all get along. :D
 
BleedingPurist said:
I don't see anyone painting "us" any particular way. You shouldn't take it as pointing the finger at you. You can't represent everyone anymore than the experiences/examples Steinhauer cited represents everyone. A better response would be "man, that sucks that you met some deaf a-holes that acted like that, I'm not like that though.... it's all good with me!"

Suspicion and offense is met with suspicion and offense and no one gets anywhere. Let's all get along. :D
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I won't go silence when Stein made a claim the huge majority in Deaf community have an issue with people who have a CI, when it is not. Even AD'ers stated they have great experiences at Gally.

He lost my respect, seriously. :mad:
 
KarissaMann05 said:
I won't go silence when Stein made a claim the huge majority in Deaf community have an issue with people who have a CI, when it is not. Even AD'ers stated they have great experiences at Gally.

He lost my respect, seriously. :mad:
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I fully believe that the majority at Gally are accepting these days, but I also fully believe there are likely cliques at Gally with their own mindsets that may not be shared by the greater community at Gally. I imagine this is what he is trying to say he experienced.
 
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