Ranting About Overusage of Word: Audism

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Passivist said:
Most I think do not belong to a group 'historically oppressed', this pre-assumes everyone was born with deafness, or lived within a deaf community, most didn't, there wasn't one
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It's just one of those social sciences terms. "Historically oppressed minority" I think ends up being applied to almost everyone who isn't a European-American white Protestant male with the "accepted" physical structure and so forth. Deaf people constitute a "historically oppressed minority" like Jews, women, homosexuals, blacks, many Asian groups, etc. It has nothing to do with whether a particular person was born deaf or lived in a Japanese internment camp or was beaten for being gay; it's just a way to describe groups of people who didn't have access to the benefits of being a member of the majority culture.
 
Interpretrator said:
It's just one of those social sciences terms. "Historically oppressed minority" I think ends up being applied to almost everyone who isn't a European-American white Protestant male with the "accepted" physical structure and so forth. Deaf people constitute a "historically oppressed minority" like Jews, women, homosexuals, blacks, many Asian groups, etc. It has nothing to do with whether a particular person was born deaf or lived in a Japanese internment camp or was beaten for being gay; it's just a way to describe groups of people who didn't have access to the benefits of being a member of the majority culture.
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In feminism, I think the phrase "marginalized ____" (members of society, subculture, group, whatever) is taking hold, since women are actually a majority. It's interesting to see how some documents use one term and some use the other.
 
ismi said:
It's interesting to see how some documents use one term and some use the other.
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Good point. And there's probably some kind of huge important difference distinguishing the two but from my own reading I can't pick it out.
 
Liza said:
Sweetmind, only you can give yourself permission to be an equal.. no one can do that for you. You ARE an equal. We all are. I don't want to change you or to be responsible for you, nor do I want you to be responsible for me either. :)
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That depends on what you mean by "equal".
 
Interpretrator said:
It's just one of those social sciences terms. "Historically oppressed minority" I think ends up being applied to almost everyone who isn't a European-American white Protestant male with the "accepted" physical structure and so forth. Deaf people constitute a "historically oppressed minority" like Jews, women, homosexuals, blacks, many Asian groups, etc. It has nothing to do with whether a particular person was born deaf or lived in a Japanese internment camp or was beaten for being gay; it's just a way to describe groups of people who didn't have access to the benefits of being a member of the majority culture.
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Unfortunately History does not recall whether this 'historically oppressed minority' signed or not, societies in the past viewed gesturing to mean stupid not language. So far and according to much 'Deaf History' now being written down the majority didn't sign. They can only go back about 150 years, any further it's specualtion. What we have so far are Beethoven and others none signed, the signers mentioned in deaf history are recent. The earliest recorded deaf person was in the bible, whom Jesus cured by spitting on him (!), he would have been locked up doing that today,and fell foul of at least 3 0r 4 discrimination laws !
 
Interpretrator said:
A few reasons. One is that, being an interpreter, I really try my best to remain neutral on highly charged topics. Even if I have an opinion -- for example, on cochlear implants -- I don't think it's appropriate for me to come down strongly on one side or the other because it may cause a barrier between me and my client. I TRY to practice this on AD as well but it doesn't always work!

Another reason is what I said about language earlier, meaning that I think it's largely out of anyone's control what happens to the word in practice.

Another reason is that I don't feel qualified to take a strong stand on things that greatly affect a historically oppressed minority that I am not a part of -- even though I might be a member of one or more other historically oppressed minority groups. (And the term "historically oppressed" does NOT mean the group is not currently oppressed.) Yes, the debate includes hearing people, but there are aspects that come from a place I can't even imagine. Since I don't come to this debate with that kind of knowledge, I don't feel it's fair for me to make judgments. I try to understand what's happening, and I have my own preferences as far as the use of certain words, but I'd rather leave the debate to others. That just goes for me; I don't hold everyone to this by any means.
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I often wonder if it's my place to participate in this or any other discussions on deaf issues. I am not deaf so who the hell am I to voice my opinions? Then I think that perhaps if we understood each other better we could possibly bridge some of the gaps. So maybe my comments and opinions have some value. As long as they are construtive. While I understand your position, I also belive that someone of your intellect and exposure can offer value. I believe on topics where there are extreme right and left opinions, someone in the middle brings balance to the discussion. I am not suggesting that is where you stand but just trying to make a point. I respect your position and based on your comments I am second guessing my own. I am trying to learn about the deaf condition for the sake of my child. Should I just sit back and watch to learn or should I participate? For me, it's hard to just sit on the sidelines and watch. I guess I am just not that kind of person.
 
rockdrummer said:
I believe on topics where there are extreme right and left opinions, someone in the middle brings balance to the discussion.
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I don't disagree with you but there's also the fact that these discussions often bring up a lot of strong emotions, hurt feelings, and so forth, and frankly I prefer to avoid the drama as much as I can. (Clearly this doesn't work all the time!) That's another reason I often stay out of the wildly controversial discussions. I weighed in on this one because I have a particular interest in linguistics (not just ASL-related), so my argument here is mostly from that standpoint.
 
Anybody have seen any deaf contestant on Wheel of Fortune yet?

What about WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE?
Family Feud?
Hollywood Squares?
Jeopardy!?

I have seen some contestants with disablities execpt hearing loss won. How come the deaf contestants could not enter? I thought ADA is supposed to protect the people with disabilities? The answer is no. They only provide some CC for deaf viewers.

Yes, TV producers, sponsors (Companies paid the large sums for the adveristings), CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX and other TV networks are AUDISMS

Deaf people do need some money to pay off their debts, to fix their homes, to deposit the win money for their children's education in future, spend whatever they want to...

What the freking the hearies win money for?

WIN BEN STEIN'S MONEY If I ever see Ben Stein walking down in public, I will give him a note. "Ben, we the deaf military gonna to make you a Jew Salad Boy" Let see how fast he at his old age runs....
 
Mookie, are you suffering from some extreme psychosis of some sort?
 
Mookie said:
WIN BEN STEIN'S MONEY If I ever see Ben Stein walking down in public, I will give him a note. "Ben, we the deaf military gonna to make you a Jew Salad Boy" Let see how fast he at his old age runs....
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OH LORD... you just made my day man.. I am cracking up.. :rofl:
 
Interpretrator said:
I'm not.
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Nor me. I'm not Jewish but the joke seems rather racist to me. A bit strange coming from a person who is complaining about audism, another form of discrimination.

Maybe an American joke that I don't understand?
 
Interpretrator said:
I'm not.
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sorry... For clearification it's the Salad Boy comment that made me laugh. No offense to anyone or any race.
 
R2D2 said:
Maybe an American joke that I don't understand?
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Nope. Just the kind of thing that makes Americans the butt of jokes around the world.
 
ismi said:
Nope. Just the kind of thing that makes Americans the butt of jokes around the world.
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Actually its more of a joke between Mookie and I. Not any reference to Jewish folks but more the "Salad boy"part of it.. I wouldn't expect you to get it unless you have followed the posts of Mookie and I that referred to it. It's ok, this is probably not the place for that discussion. My comment was made in the midst of a bad morning at work and Mookies comment abouit "Salad boy" made me laugh. I never knew it would result in others thinking about racial slurs and Americans being the but of jokes and what not. Even factoring in the word Jew in Mookies comment, I still don't see it as a slur. The man IS Jewish after all. I believe Mookie meant that as a joke. And lets face it, life is to short to not laugh once and a while. Lighten up a bit people!!
 
rockdrummer said:
Actually its more of a joke between Mookie and I. Not any reference to Jewish folks but more the "Salad boy"part of it.. I wouldn't expect you to get it unless you have followed the posts of Mookie and I that referred to it. It's ok, this is probably not the place for that discussion. My comment was made in the midst of a bad morning at work and Mookies comment abouit "Salad boy" made me laugh. I never knew it would result in others thinking about racial slurs and Americans being the but of jokes and what not. Even factoring in the word Jew in Mookies comment, I still don't see it as a slur. The man IS Jewish after all. I believe Mookie meant that as a joke. And lets face it, life is to short to not laugh once and a while. Lighten up a bit people!!
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That's right. I just learnt the " Salad" term from Rockdrummer in other thread. I do not consider of it as racial slurs. I think the slang may be came from the prison. Who knows if any comedian would tell you good jokes. Naturally, it is not a good joke for for the family. I think it may be rated for PG-13...

If you may see Ben Stein on WIN BEN STEIN'S MONEY TV program. I wonder why he always wears his athlete shoes. Of course he is a jewish man.

If I tell Ben Stein a joke, he would probably laugh....
 
Mookie said:
If you may see Ben Stein on WIN BEN STEIN'S MONEY TV program. I wonder why he always wears his athlete shoes. Of course he is a jewish man.
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What does his being Jewish have to do with any of this?

This is starting to reek heavily of hypocrisy.
 
Interpretrator said:
What does his being Jewish have to do with any of this?

This is starting to reek heavily of hypocrisy.
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What is big deal? He is a BIG AUDISM for not leting any deaf contestant on his show. So what if I insulted him.....

Whose side are you on?
 
Mookie said:
What is big deal? He is a BIG AUDISM for not leting any deaf contestant on his show. So what if I insulted him.....

Whose side are you on?
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Erm it is okay to insult others just because they insult you? :roll: If you want them to be educated about us, you have to educate them. Insulting back wont bring any positive changes.
 
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