Premature baby not allowed to live under G.B. nationalized health care plan

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souggy said:
Um, more like if she was given treatment, her death would had has been prolonged. Would you want it to die slowly for five or six hours? Or would you prefer an hour?
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That's not true. Two babies have survived at similar age. They are still alive.

Miracle child

21 week old baby survives Sister Toldjah

I'm only glad that I was given a chance despite severe jaundice. I was a very sick baby but I made it. I'm glad nobody just shrugged and gave up on me like they did with this baby.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Ahhhh I accidentally hit "back" button and I lost a whole of transcifition. But, thanks to Koko for it. Sorry, you guys...

EDIT: My bad. I meant, "back". Not "enter". :oops:
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Thanks for the effort anyway. It was very much apreciated.
 
DeafLissa90 said:
the baby COULD NOT have been saved, dreama, it was too early and sick obviously to survive.
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That's simply not true. They didn't even try to save it.
No effort was made to even examine the baby. That's what I find really usetting.
 
kokonut said:
I've already given out three cases with two that received care but the third one never did. Doctors never even bothered to look or even help. If the third case (G.B.) is what it says based on 1st hand accounts then surely it's a sad and tragic story of abuse and neglect.
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That's true. It's even more shocking that anyone should condone that neglect.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Ooh, yes. I remember that story.

Quite amazing story. :)

Okay, I want to say I apologetic for my lack of maturity, folks.

Can I have a hug?
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Gives Karissma a hug.

It's perfectly understandable to get upset at such amazing indiffernce. When a baby is denied life soly based on their age and legislation.
 
What I don't understand is why people are "attacking" me for saying that a micro-preemie baby deserves a chance to survive and live with the help of medical technology. If a baby is born breathing, unassisted, even at 21 weeks, give medical assistence! Developmental growth rates vary among babies when most would probably die at 21/22 weeks but then we have babies born alive and breathing on its own at 21/22 weeks while you have babies die shortly after birth at 22/23 weeks. Can't even imagine a baby born 10 oz (a can of soda is 12 oz) could survive and live to grow up.
 
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No one is attacking for you saying that, kokonut. What everyone has been saying is that we just don't have all the medical facts laid out on the table. The article only gave us a small bit of the medical facts.
 
In a relative way...CJB..is what I meant.

However, if a baby is breathing on his own for almost 2 hours and that's the plain medical fact and not get any medical asst of any kind then certainly it'd be a compelling story without needing all the extraneous medical details. Bottom line, the baby was breathing on his own for almost two hours.
 
I have agree with Jiro and Jillio about premature baby isn't viable because many premature babies have died due brain and organs are undeveloped, even premature babies could be die at early age so very few for premature babies to survive for long time. It's not worth to take care of premature babies and if women want abort so let fetus gone because it is part of her privacy to operate the abortion.

Conservative is trying to do something to impress and make them looks good.
 
You know, since we have a few that seem to want to play doctor, and are so certain that this infant had a chance at survival, how about if one of those provides us with the following information regarding this preemie's medical status at birth. We need the following information:

Co2 and O2 levels
respirations per minute
BP
Apgar score
Babinski's sign present or not present
skin tone
evidence of petechhiae
muscle tone
diameter and condition of cord
condition of placenta
hyaline membrane function present or not present
strength of suckling reflex
CBC count
Bilirubin count
Medical history regarding gestation and complications

When all you "doctors" can provide that information, and then interpret what it means regarding probability of survival, you will then be able to arm chair quarter back and second guess the doctors. Until then, you are operating on nothing more than emotion and a complete lack of evidence to support your claims.
 
kokonut said:
In a relative way...CJB..is what I meant.

However, if a baby is breathing on his own for almost 2 hours and that's the plain medical fact and not get any medical asst of any kind then certainly it'd be a compelling story without needing all the extraneous medical details. Bottom line, the baby was breathing on his own for almost two hours.
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And the baby stopped breathing on his own in less than 2 hours.

Reminds me of the old commercial: "I'm not a doctor but I play one on T.V." only in this case it's "You are not a doctor but you attempt to play one on AD."
 
LOL jillio.

"I'm not a doctor but I play one on AD."

:rofl2:
 
kokonut said:
In a relative way...CJB..is what I meant.

However, if a baby is breathing on his own for almost 2 hours and that's the plain medical fact and not get any medical asst of any kind then certainly it'd be a compelling story without needing all the extraneous medical details. Bottom line, the baby was breathing on his own for almost two hours.
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Just because the baby was breathing doesn't automatically mean it will survive. It could have been born without a liver for all we know.
 
jillio said:
Until then, you are operating on nothing more than emotion and a complete lack of evidence to support your claims.
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Boy you got a lot of room to talk :roll:

Yiz
 
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Indeed, the puerile "attacking" continues....thanks for joining CJB.

Bottom line, if the article is correct in its story then the doctors never bothered to look to see if the baby has a liver or not. Or even offered medical asst of any kind. Yet you don't need to be a doctor to see that for a baby to survive nearly two hours breathing on his own is something that can NOT easily be dismissed no matter how you justify it. That's what I'm looking at. Just as I have presented a few cases of micro-preemies born in a similar time of gestation at 22 weeks who survived and grew up only because of medical intervention. And that the fact that it took place in the United States and not G.B. tells the bigger story here.
 
I don't see how I've been attacking you, kokonut. Maybe because I disagree with you you see it as attacking? :dunno:
 
kokonut said:
Indeed, the puerile "attacking" continues....thanks for joining CJB.

Bottom line, if the article is correct in its story then the doctors never bothered to look to see if the baby has a liver or not. Or even offered medical asst of any kind. Yet you don't need to be a doctor to see that for a baby to survive nearly two hours breathing on his own is something that can NOT easily be dismissed no matter how you justify it. That's what I'm looking at. Just as I have presented a few cases of micro-preemies born in a similar time of gestation at 22 weeks who survived and grew up only because of medical intervention. And that the fact that it took place in the United States and not G.B. tells the bigger story here.
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Well said.

I would never have lasted 2 hours when I was born.
Yet here I am in relatively good health.

It's depressing how people will condone a baby of any age dying of medical neglicance in this way. As I said before, it's just blatent discrimination. That's all there is to it.
 
The fact is NONE of us were there and NONE of us know all the details so all we can do is speculate.
 
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