Premature baby not allowed to live under G.B. nationalized health care plan

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Liebling:-))) said:
Your brother entitled to his opinion as everyone as well.

It´s good that you and your family have money to achieve expensive healthcare insurance.

I really feel sorry for you.

It´s good that you & your family have money as the same as wealth people as well.

limited or unlimited?

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It´s good that you and your family have money to acheive expensive healthcare.

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Of course we know that we have different cultural background and Cultural mentality. We have no problem to respect each other when we want to agree to disagree each other. :cool2:
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1. we are not wealthy. we are between lower-upper middle class
2. I have a full benefit health coverage
3. My parents are currently not covered and they do not need it for time being
4. again - we are not wealthy but we are glad not to be forced to pay for mandatory public option. we will most likely pay for penalty because it's cheaper than public option fee.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
*nodding sadly* Some Americans are very ignorants and think themselves because they have money and don´t bother to think and feel how others feel.

Yes, I relate you and your description. It´s exact what many Americans feel. I myself have unlimited healthcare coverage and know what I am saying and that´s why I support Obama fully to help Americans to easy with their life.
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I'm confused by your post. You're calling some of us ignorant and only think for themselves?

I thought you said "Of course we know that we have different cultural background and Cultural mentality. We have no problem to respect each other when we want to agree to disagree each other." in previous post.

Few Americans don't support health reform because they are greedy and selfish (and also uneducated). Majority of us (educated) do not support it because of mandatory insurance and public option. You should know that our cultural background and cultural mentality is all about PRIVATIZATION. We love private service. The quality of service is HIGHER and BETTER than government service. We already have tons of free public services for people. so why do we need another free public service when we already have Medicaid/Medicare/Tricare/free clinics/etc? it makes no sense.

Just focus on improving those existing service instead of creating another service to fix the existing service. It's cheaper and simpler to do it that way.

So pick one - either you think we're ignorant and selfish or you acknowledge our cultural difference to reject this health care reform.
 
Noone is casting blame or being insensitive to the baby or mother......it is only part of the health care debate.

Aleser said:
G-d, people. The baby is dead. The mother will grieve no matter how much we point fingers at the doctors for doing their jobs. Just let the issue rest!
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Liebling:-))) said:
*nodding sadly* Some Americans are very ignorants and think themselves because they have money and don´t bother to think and feel how others feel.

Yes, I relate you and your description. It´s exact what many Americans feel. I myself have unlimited healthcare coverage and know what I am saying and that´s why I support Obama fully to help Americans to easy with their life.
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Well maybe some Amercian people still don't get it what Obama plans to do with health care. If obama wants to increase taxes in order to get a better health care then i would have to say NO! Because they are on welfare and get better health care than what i have yet i will be broke and don't leave some $ for my own future while those people decide not to work and get free. That's how Amercian people fear about it! I have not even heard what Obama plans to do with health care budget at all.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Well maybe some Amercian people still don't get it what Obama plans to do with health care. If obama wants to increase taxes in order to get a better health care then i would have to say NO! Because they are on welfare and get better health care than what i have yet i will be broke and don't leave some $ for my own future while those people decide not to work and get free. That's how Amercian people fear about it! I have not even heard what Obama plans to do with health care budget at all.
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If Obama and Democratic-controlled Congress decide to levy a tax on middle or higher class in order to fund Obamacare, they most likely will lose their respective 2012 Presidential election and control of Congress.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Well maybe some Amercian people still don't get it what Obama plans to do with health care. If obama wants to increase taxes in order to get a better health care then i would have to say NO! Because they are on welfare and get better health care than what i have yet i will be broke and don't leave some $ for my own future while those people decide not to work and get free. That's how Amercian people fear about it! I have not even heard what Obama plans to do with health care budget at all.
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Royale said:
If Obama and Democratic-controlled Congress decide to levy a tax on middle or higher class in order to fund Obamacare, they most likely will lose their respective 2012 Presidential election and control of Congress.
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Obama keeps saying he will not tax Middle Class people so...... :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
Obama keeps saying he will not tax Middle Class people so...... :dunno:
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We will wait and see if he keeps his promise on it. You know politicians who tend not to make their promises good.
 
Royale said:
We will wait and see if he keeps his promise on it. You know politicians who tend not to make their promises good.
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Yeah.

I pray that OBAMA simply leave the middle class people ALONE! *crossed fingers* :D
 
I can't believe this thread is still going....
 
souggy said:
No, no, no. The way you phrased the channel thing makes it sound like every British citizen does it, when it is really in the minority.

I said I don't like using my insurance very often because the premium goes up every time I use it. I am one of the 15% of Canadians that don't like the level of care my province gives, but that is only because I am 1) impatient, 2) I have pre-existing conditions that can't really be waiting for 3 months if they come up.
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That's true, but there are people who feel the same as you do but they simply can't afford to pay. They are the ones that are going to lose out because at the moment they are on medaid.
 
dreama said:
That's true, but there are people who feel the same as you do but they simply can't afford to pay. They are the ones that are going to lose out because at the moment they are on medaid.
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Right. We have to remember we live in a democracy though, and taxpayers pay for it all. If taxpayers are happy, then nothing will change. If taxpayers are not happy, then you will see a reform occurring.

Meanwhile, those that don't benefit from the healthcare system the British and Canadians share have to "make do." Although I know our healthcare is "working" because it is benefiting a lot of my friends, but it is not benefiting me or a few of the other fringes. The impression I get is the same over in the UK.

That why the reform is so huge in the States. 40-60% of Americans think their healthcare system is broken, and of course when you have so many taxpayers complaining-- the government is going to try and do something.

So you and I may get the shaft, but at least we have voting powers to tweak the system to be more toward our favour. For the moment, while the we hear about the "horrors" of healthcare, the mainstream are "happy" with what they have-- and those that don't benefit from it are not the "mainstream."

Which bring me to another point: that is why I am strongly against federal budgeting. At the moment, at least if I don't like my healthcare system, I can just simply up and move to another province with a system that I prefer. If that become nationalized, then it would be in favour of the people who make up the majority of the country, not the majority of the regional districts.
 
souggy said:
Right. We have to remember we live in a democracy though, and taxpayers pay for it all. If taxpayers are happy, then nothing will change. If taxpayers are not happy, then you will see a reform occurring.

Meanwhile, those that don't benefit from the healthcare system the British and Canadians share have to "make do." Although I know our healthcare is "working" because it is benefiting a lot of my friends, but it is not benefiting me or a few of the other fringes. The impression I get is the same over in the UK.
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I don't know who those satisfied with the NHS are but they are not my friends.
I had a friend who died from the drug she was getting for her arthritis.
I have another friend who's son has been written off as a hypocondriac. They won't look at him even when he clearly has a physical problem. They are on income support. They aren't in the financial bracket to afford private care. If they lived in USA they would be on medaid. Also their daughter had to wait on a hard bench for several hours even though she was pregnant.
I don't know anyone who is actually satisfied with the care they get. The most possitive thing I've heard said about NHS is it's free, not that it's good but they don't have to pay to get it. Personally I think that people who CAN pay their own way should be required to contribute.
Free health services should just be for people at the bottom who can't afford at all. I do know people like that. The only reason more people are not complaining is they think health care in USA is even worse.
 
dreama said:
I don't know who those satisfied with the NHS are but they are not my friends.
I had a friend who died from the drug she was getting for her arthritis.
I have another friend who's son has been written off as a hypocondriac. They won't look at him even when he clearly has a physical problem. They are on income support. They aren't in the financial bracket to afford private care. If they lived in USA they would be on medaid. Also their daughter had to wait on a hard bench for several hours even though she was pregnant.
I don't know anyone who is actually satisfied with the care they get. The most possitive thing I've heard said about NHS is it's free, not that it's good but they don't have to pay to get it. Personally I think that people who CAN pay their own way should be required to contribute.
Free health services should just be for people at the bottom who can't afford at all. I do know people like that. The only reason more people are not complaining is they think health care in USA is even worse.
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And... I didn't realize the UK has 4 different systems: UK (England), Scotland, and Wales. I was just researching on the differences between the British and Canadian systems.

Okay, that put a new spin on things since most of the people I talk to are from Edinburgh or Glasgow.
 
Souggy: It varies from area to area, it varies from hospital to hospital. Sometimes the same hospital can start off not being too bad, then for some reason the same hospital ten years later takes a nose dive.
I don't know what the health care is like up in scotland or Ireland is like. I can only speak with authority about health care in the midlands area. That's where the least satisfaction seems to come from. It's also probably the most densely populated part of england apart from London.
 
Frisky Feline said:
He better be! :aw:
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Just ignore this person and this person is obviously make Obama looks bad so don't trust him.

Obama kept his promise to not rise the taxes on middle class, period so I don't know if he catches his promise so let see in few years.
 
A virtual impossibility to keep his promise while he continues to add and expand his programs and increase the size of the govt, the size of health care, the size of the bailouts including a takeover of student loans and a newspaper bailout, the increasing interest every year we'll owe, and so on.

Yeah, he'll tax everybody, even if you don't want health insurance he'll tax you on that, too (assuming if the health bill passes).

The tax man cometh.
 
kokonut said:
He won't. :)
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you're right he wont, the idea with tax system is robbing peter to pay paul but while the richest are "broke" and need the funds for capital to start up new businesses it seems priority has gone down to lower-ranked classes, at same time, they are MORE people there that at the pinnacle of "society", this makes taxing more from middle classes more attractive since it would return greater funds for goverment to play with. I dont know if id believe it myself, all I'm saying this seems to be part of the Obama's idea, help the rich to start businesses, in the belief their capital should be savioured for the 'social good', its weird i know, but what other way to say it.
 
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